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 Post subject: WinModem (Log of the Manta)
PostPosted: Thu Jan 13, 2005 4:50 pm 
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And it begins with:

Trying to get my thin modem running

Anyone want to translate this for me please (later truncated).

------------ -------------- System information ------------------------
Debian GNU/Linux testing/unstable
on System with processor: i686
currently under kernel: 2.4.24-xfs
assembled with compiler: 2.95.4
with current System compiler GCC=3.3.3
/usr/bin/gcc -> gcc-3.3

Checking for kernel-headers needed for compiling.
kernel-headers have base folder /usr/src/linux
kernel-headers have base folder /usr/src/linux-2.4.24-xfs

A /dev/modem symbolic link is not set.

Modem candidates are at PCI_buses: 02:01.0

Providing detail for device at PCI_bus 02:01.0
with vendor-ID:device-ID
----:----
Class 0780: 11c1:044e Communication controller: Lucent Microelectronics LT WinModem (rev 02)
SubSystem 1235:044e Risq Modular Systems, Inc.: Unknown device 044e
Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 32, IRQ 17
Memory at ee010000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=256]
I/O ports at 9000 [size=8]

-----PCI_IDs------- --CompilerVer-
Feature List: Primary Subsystem Distr KernelVer kernel default CPU
./scanModem test 11c1:044e 1235:044e debian 2.4.24-xfs 2.95.4 3.3.3 i686

== Checking PCI IDs through modem chip suppliers ==

The modem has a supported Lucent/Agere DSP (digital signal processing) chipset
with primary PCI_ID: 11c1:044e
DSP=1

Vendor 11c1 corresponds to Lucent Technologies or subsidiary Agere Systems, Inc.
Information is at: http://www.agere.com/client/modem_dsp.html. Produced are both:
1) modems identifiable from their primary PCI IDs and
2) soft modem Subystem chips requiring identification through codec readouts.


0x044e -- Mars 3 Mercury data fax only


Add either of the following lines to the Debian /etc/apt/sources.list
to enable automatic updates on installer availability:
deb http://www.physcip.uni-stuttgart.de/heb ... ts/debian/ ./
deb http://www.sfu.ca/~cth/ltmodem/dists/debian/ ./


The desired installer name is like:
========================================
ltmodem-2.4.24-xfs_8.nn_i386.deb
----------------------------------------

A suitable installer is not available as of this 2005_Jan_11 update.
Check in the section debian at http://ltmodem.heby.de/
for a subsequent Installer submission.
Older releases have been archived at:
http://linmodems.technion.ac.il/package ... m/archive/
Also there is a RPM search engine at: http://rpm.pbone.net
The closest match to your i686=CPU is recommended.
The closest match to your i686=CPU is recommended.
For example replacements in order of preference for an
i686 would be i586, i486 and i386
If not present use the ltmodem-8.31a9.tar.gz compiler kit.

The list of available Installers for debian as of this 2005_Jan_11
is inserted into to Modem/General.txt
======= PCI_ID checking completed ======

====================================================

-------------------------------------
Resident PPP support modules are properly uncompressed .
COMM services are not active
DEVPPP=crw------- 1 root dip 108, 0 May 15 2001 /dev/ppp
A /dev/modem symbolic link is not present

No devfsd.conf file found, indicated absense of the devfsd daemon package
for device file system (devfs) symbolic link support.

DEVFSD=
---- dmesg queries -------
ACPI: LAPIC (acpi_id[0x00] lapic_id[0x00] enabled)
Kernel command line: BOOT_IMAGE=Linux ro root=341 hda=scsi hdb=scsi hdc=scsi hdd=scsi hde=scsi hdf=scsi hdg=scsi hdh=scsi apm=power-off nomce
CPU: Hyper-Threading is disabled
CPU: Hyper-Threading is disabled
apm: BIOS version 1.2 Flags 0x07 (Driver version 1.16)
debian is not yet providing pre-compiled drivers for WinModems


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 13, 2005 6:11 pm 
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So I found the kit and downloaded it - but the documantation is spotty.

I have no clue what to do. It was not written for a newb - even in the places where is says "if you are new to Linux"

I could rant about this - but I have to get off line - further, instruction asking you to download this little packet or that to configure a MODEM are frustrating.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 13, 2005 6:42 pm 
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Quote:
A /dev/modem symbolic link is not set.


My only thought is...I think this is the only line you need to be concerned with.

Essentially you want to a create a symlink so /dev/modem points to whatever device is created for the winmodem.

To what and where...I dunno...I don't have a winmodem. :)

I would think someplace like here..

http://linmodems.org/

would have some better help


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 13, 2005 7:33 pm 
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Thanx Furball - but most of it geek spew and simply not focused. In all the output above there are four or five lines that are important. Why not a file with four or five lines as output? In the Linux community, does maximum verbosity mean your computer willy is bigger?

The problem is, I have the kit. It comes with much documentation - but no organization. I am under the impression I will have to compile somthing - but what and how. There are many documents - but in what order do I read them? The one that say read first is spew that leave the impression I should read others. Sure - but in what order?

This is the lesson engineers and programmers and I am ashamed to say scientists fail to learn. Document your work in a CLEAR manner. COMMENT your work in a CLEAR manner.

Otherwise, what you have is a dictionary - out of order. So much work - rendered nearly useless.

Arf - teh Manta is frustrated.


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 13, 2005 8:12 pm 
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MantaBase wrote:
Why not a file with four or five lines as output? In the Linux community, does maximum verbosity mean your computer willy is bigger?


Pretty much. :)

In all actuality, when someone comes looking for help, it's often quite helpful to know where it hung..i.e. is it seeing the card, what proc is it seeing, etc...and sure...with that, someone at least will be able to point you in something more specific. Imagine some of the questions you see here dealing with windows, but now, in Linux and the person is even more clueless there then they are in windows.

MantaBase wrote:
The problem is, I have the kit. It comes with much documentation - but no organization. I am under the impression I will have to compile somthing - but what and how. There are many documents - but in what order do I read them? The one that say read first is spew that leave the impression I should read others. Sure - but in what order?


looks like whatever you're running is trying to compile something. Only bitch is, sounds like whateve docs you have is all pointing fingers at something else..something not all that uncommon. A lot of times these things are written from the standpoint of "This worked for me" :)

I'd be looking through those docs for something referencing a symlink.

To give you an example, DVD drives work the same way. While the drive will be initially read from /dev/cd0 and be treated out of the box a CD-Rom, you somehow need to tell it that /dev/dvd also is the same device and you accomplish this by pointing /dev/dvd to /dev/cd0.

OK..after googling this (winmodem /dev/modem symlink) it seems you need to create that symlink via removing the first device with a

rm -f /dev/modem

and then create the new link

ln -s /dev/ttySx /dev/modem

where x is the com port it's trying to use -1, so com1 would be /dev/ttyS0, com2 would be /dev/ttyS1, etc..

Try doing that, and then going with what you're doing to generate that goggledygook :)

I found this out there too..maybe that might be some better help...seems pretty well organized.

http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/docs/H ... -HOWTO.pdf


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 14, 2005 7:53 am 
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Its a new day - trying again.

Doing what you said - will see if it works.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 14, 2005 9:12 am 
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Forgive that this is on Code.

So, I confirm that I have a LTmodem that is supported by the

Code:
02:01.0 Communication controller: Lucent Microelectronics LT WinModem (rev 02)
      Subsystem: Risq Modular Systems, Inc.: Unknown device 044e
      Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 32, IRQ 17
      Memory at ee010000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=256]
      I/O ports at 9000 [size=8]
      I/O ports at 9400 [size=256]
      Capabilities: [f8] Power Management version 2


So I try it.:

Code:
root@box:/ltmodem-8.31a9# ./build_module

   For Linux kernels assembled with a version 2.9n compiler,
   the ltmodem-8.26a.tar.gz at http://ltmodem.heby.de must be used.
   This kernel was assembled with a compiler of version:
   2.95.4

   Exiting

   root@box:/ltmodem-8.31a9#

It no worky. I have additional instuctions - what do they mean? Do I need to download more stuff?:

Code:
...To compile under kernel 2.4.0 version sources,
   the following additional requirements are recommended:
   Gnu C                  2.91.66    # gcc --version
   Gnu make               3.77       # make --version
   binutils               2.9.1.0.25 # ld -v
   patch                  2.5        # patch --version
   util-linux             2.10o      # mkfs --version
   modutils               2.4.0      # insmod -V
   e2fsprogs              1.19       # tune2fs --version
   pcmcia-cs              3.1.21     # cardmgr -V
   PPP                    2.3.11     # pppd --version

   REQUIRED kernel-headers or kernel-sources
   ----------------------------------------------------
   The easiest and smallest satisfactory resource is a
   kernel-header package with download size of about 1.5 Mb.
   Kernel-header roles are explained in DOCs/ForNewbies.
   They can be obtained from repositories for your Linux
   distribution.  Its version must match that of the your
   current kernel as displayed by:
   $   uname -r

   Some Linux distros are now providing alternative install kernels.
   For them this next step is CRITICAL.
   You must identify on your own System,
   a config file specifying the contents of your kernel. For some Linux
   Distros, it will be at:
   /boot/config-version
   For RedHat there is a /usr/src/linux/configs directory.
   The version IS same as that displayed by:
   $ uname -r
   and the start if the file is like:
   ===============
   #
   # Automatically generated make config: don't edit
   #
   CONFIG_X86=y
   CONFIG_ISA=y
   # CONFIG_SBUS is not set

   Get the matching kernel-header package from your install CD or
   download from your Linux repository. Install it with
   whatever tools your distribution provides.  The common
   installation folder is:
   /usr/src/kernel-headers-version#/
   At this point try running:
   $  ./build_module
   It all works, just follow through with included instructions.
   Also see the explanation of build_rpm and build_deb below.

   In the case of build_module failure, read on.
   A symbolic link may be  necessary, made with:
   ln -s PATHto/kernel-headers-version /usr/src/linux
   Test with:
   #       ls /usr/src/linux/include/linux
   802_11.h           fd1772.h                loop.h
   a.out.h            fddidevice.h            lp.h
   ac97_codec.h       fdreg.h                 lvm.h
   acct.h             file.h                  major.h
   acpi.h             filter.h                malloc.h
   adb.h              fs.h                    matroxfb.h
   adb_mouse.h        fs_struct.h             mc146818rtc.h
   and MANY more.  These are the desired kernel-header files.
   Some will compiled with the modem specific codes in this packages
   SKIP to FINALLY...



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 14, 2005 10:39 am 
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Lovely....

Code:
root@box:/ltmodem-8.26a# ./build_module


For kernel-versions after 2.4.n kernels with n=22 and greater,
please use the ltmodem-8.30aN.tar.gz series compiler-installer resources.

Exiting

root@box:/ltmodem-8.26a#


There is no 8.30aN for the 2.4.24 kernel

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 14, 2005 12:06 pm 
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well,,

I didi 8.21a10 and it appears to have worked.

Yet,

when I kppp, it just hangs on initializing modem....

I tried to get wvdial to work, but it says there is no modem. At least kppp sees something. I can get to modem ready - but not past initialize.

Just found out I was using the wrong phone # (actually - not wrong, just not the local one). I doubt that is the problem.

Any ideas anyone?

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 14, 2005 10:32 pm 
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End of Day three.

We shall see what tomarrow holds.

now having problems with QTpart while trying to update to a more recent kernal. When will the hurting stop?

On a good note, I finally got a fat32 part that both OS'es can see and write to :).

Manta

I dub this thread "log of the Manta"

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 15, 2005 7:53 am 
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Day 4?

In an effort to solve the problem, I am trying to upgrade from 3.3 to 3.4 Knoppix.

I doubt this will solve the problem, and I really want to upgrade to 3.7. However, I am on Dialup with no highspeed access and 3.4 is the most recent I have.

The plan is to use the Knoppix CD to install Debian Sid with a Knoppix configured user.

If anyone wants to Fed-Ex me a Knoppix 3.7 CD, let me know :)

ANyways - before doinf this I wanted to "fix" a partition issue I created when I installed 3.3 (just bad planning and a dead partition).

Problem is, the only tool I think I have is QTparted and it doesn't seem to want to play with partions it didn't create. I am looking for the seagate tool for help, but I have just moved - and thus all is packed in storage.

I might reformat the drive from windows into FAT32 and see what QTparted thinks - maybe thats not a good idea.

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Only thought I have is we're not using the right comport...

..or the module isn't loading..something you can confirm through an lsmod.


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 15, 2005 11:38 am 
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[quote="furball146"][/quote]

"lsmod" thanks Furball - I will try that.

This is an informative, frustrating, humbling, and enlightening experience.

I see the potential and problems in Knoppix - As well, I get a refresher on both my computer wisdom, and the places it is lacking.

Manta


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Day 5

As suspected, lsmod showed it was not installed.

After more fiddling, I got it installed. Then it crashed the system upon modem detect. I am betting this has to do with some type of kernal "header" mismatch or what not.

Upgrading to 3.4 to see of that will solve the problem,

Mistake #1 - I used the Knoppix Install GUI.

This soiled my MBR. Its working, but it uses LILO on my multiboot which is exactly what I didn't want. I have a reason for using NT Loader and not grub or LILO. Now I will have to find my XP CDs (in storage) and fix the problem later.

Visit to Linux Forum shows they can be just as childish as folks on Windows Forums.

Its apparent that the following is true for many:

"Windows folks don't know jack about Linux"
"Linux folks don't know jack about Windows"
Yet both seem more than willing to offer thier (negative) opinions on the systems they don't know anything about.

Luckly this isn't every one - but I hesitate to post in Linux Forums for this reason. I quite simply don't have time for the "Why do you have Windows on there" flames and time wasters.

/endrant

Anyways - we shall see if I can get something working today.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 19, 2005 10:11 am 
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Day ?? Whatever - check the date.

Debian Unstable: I can't find my zip drive where I keep the files I share between Windows and Linux. I have to share files between windows and Linux 'cuz linux can't see my modem. I had to use zip 'cuz windows couldn't see the Linux made FAT32 partition.

Fixed the partion problem - moving files to there so I can try to get Sid to see my modem.

Back to the Zip. I am sure Sid can see the drive - as QTParted offers to erase without argument. I just can find it to mount it. Knoppix and Sid are not the same, and I have been using Knoppix - so now I don't know how to find and mount drives in Sid (at least not in KDE).

Rebooting into Sid - send help if I am not back in a few days :)

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Day ?? Whatever - check the date.

Debian Unstable: I can't find my zip drive where I keep the files I share between Windows and Linux. I have to share files between windows and Linux 'cuz linux can't see my modem. I had to use zip 'cuz windows couldn't see the Linux made FAT32 partition.

Fixed the partion problem - moving files to there so I can try to get Sid to see my modem.

Back to the Zip. I am sure Sid can see the drive - as QTParted offers to erase without argument. I just can find it to mount it. Knoppix and Sid are not the same, and I have been using Knoppix - so now I don't know how to find and mount drives in Sid (at least not in KDE).

Rebooting into Sid - send help if I am not back in a few days :)

Manta


Good luck.

I just got this Debian box up on the net Thursday.

Winmodems per the forums/manuals I've been reading are going to be rough for a new user to set up.

I ran out and picked up a serial modem, to log in with dial-up.

My base install is the"Sarge" testing distro, and I've been useing "aptitude" to upgrade the packages.

Hang in there, because if I can get this to run, with the assistance of library books and the Debian manuals online, I know that you can too.

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Hard freeze on Modem Detect still.

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Sir Lurkalot wrote:

Good luck.
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I may give up on the modem - you are not the first that said buying is easier. But, I will be playing with Linux a bit longer I think.

On the bright side, I can't get rooted since I can't connect.

Latest issue - I now have to start KDE from the CLI even though I can see it try to start - and I have to be root.

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Your running a live disc version of Knoppix? :?:


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Sir Lurkalot wrote:
Your running a live disc version of Knoppix? :?:


Ah no sorry - its a full install.

Kinda wierd I know.

Its basically "Sid" with a knoppix user if you know what that means.

Not what most folks do - but I have limited options right now.

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