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PostPosted: Thu Dec 30, 2004 6:57 am 
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Hi guys,

I have some questions and need som suggestions. First, a profile:

I am 5'9" tall....no, thats not what I meant,

Don't let the following make it seem like I am anything more than a newb - I include it to help you give me suggestions.

I have used AIX and UNIX as a user - though its been years. I have used Solaris8 as a user and admin (with lots of help). I have also used Corel Linux (Debian) in the past - but mainly as a toy)

I currently have a XP/knoppix dual boot machine. XP is on a 120 gig which has 100gigs of NTFS and a 20 gig fat32 part. Knoppix is on a 60gig with all the needed parts (main ext3) and a small FAT32 part. I like Knoppix when its been fully installed - and that is what I have. Its not simply the knoppix disk copied to the drive - I installed it fully and use NTLDR to boot it (yes, I might be confused about that, but I don't think I am - I spent a good amount of time figureing out how to do it - if I am confused, I would love a clarification). So, my knoppix is more like Debian - except when I log on as a user it looks and acts like knoppix.

Now, the new kernels support NTFS and I would like to move up. What should I do?

I have the newest Mandrake distro on three CD's (from a Linux Mag). I have never used Mandrake, but folks say its easy and has wide hardware support.

I really like Debian as its what I am used to, but I normally use KDE so I am not sure how much of a change Mandrake would be. What I want is a stable OS with wide support.

I don't want to have to spend hours tweaking it to get a modem to work or what not. I am a KDE guy - so keep that in mind. And I am a newbie - keep that in mind.

Choices:
Debian
Knoppix full install
Mandrake
Other

What ya think?

Oh yeah - it will be a dual boot macine XP/Linux. I don't have to use NTLDR, I can use LILO.

PS - I am in the middle of moving - so I will be reading even if I don't reply right off :)

Manta


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 30, 2004 6:08 pm 
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Nothing??

Bump....


I am offline for three days starting tomarrow. I want to reconfig by the first week of January.

any input is helpful

Manta


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 30, 2004 6:31 pm 
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I vote for Mandrake. It is KDE based and it probably has the best hardware support. In short I think it probably has all that you are looking for.


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 30, 2004 9:04 pm 
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I think you shouldn't quit your day job because your attempt at comedy sucks :)

Just kidding dude...

Anyhow, since you have Mandrake CDs, save the time downloading and burning ISOs and go with that. IMO, all the mainstream standard answer stuff, Mandrake, Fedora, Suse, etc, is pretty much the same, just specifally tailored. I can't say that any of the three have any better hardware support then the other.

I'll admit, I've always been an advocate of getting your feet wet some with something like these before going onto Debian, Gentoo, Slack or BSD. Someone might disagree with that, but I've always felt, if something goes wrong, you should know what questions to ask...something a lot of noobs don't know how to do.


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 30, 2004 9:07 pm 
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I've used several different version of Linux including Mandrake.... I would say Mandrake is the XP of Linux. Its designed for the newbie so that he doesn't have to do anything and configures everything for you...

I haven't used Knoppix Full Install but I have used it (and Knoppix STD) booting off the CD. What I have used of Knoppix I like, and I will probably venture into the Full Install here shortly.

I have yet to venture into the Debian world. Although thats another project I'd like to mess around with here shortly. (I have a few old 600 MHz machines I test out Linux distros on)


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 31, 2004 9:06 am 
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I personally think that Mandrake and Fedora hand-hold too much for you to really learn. It's especially annoying since they handhold the stuff that's actually pretty easy (configuring X) and don't really help at all with the difficult stuff (installing software and dependencies). That's just me though.

I think if you don't really know what to expect from Linux, fire up Knoppix and muck around with the GUI a bit. If you've used KDE and Gnome before, and know what to expect, I'd just jump straight to Debian.

///Will


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 31, 2004 9:17 am 
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Darn Will,

Just as I was about to make up my mind on Mandrake!

Welp - I am filling the moving van - Thanx all. I will consider both Mandrake and Debian now.

Also, Will, there is a linux article comming soon in MPC? Should I wait for it?

Thanx all - maybe I will see you in this folder more.

Oh yeah - Happy New Year!

Manta


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 31, 2004 9:23 am 
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My experience with Debian is documented in the February issue, which should be out soonish.

Good luck with the move :)


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 01, 2005 12:40 pm 
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Did I miss something? If you like Knoppix and all you want to do is add NTFS support, which is available in the new kernels, just download and install a new kernel - why make life hard!!!

Head over to kernel.org and download the latest and greatest. Read the documentation that comes with the kernel. It is quite good. If you have any questions before upgrading the kernel, ask here before going through the process. As a bonus, you'll learn quite a bit about Linux going this route.

Hint: grep 'make oldconfig' in the docs section. It will save you a lot of time. ;)


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 08, 2005 12:21 pm 
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Gadget wrote:
Did I miss something? If you like Knoppix and all you want to do is add NTFS support, which is available in the new kernels, just download and install a new kernel - why make life hard!!!

Head over to kernel.org and download the latest and greatest. Read the documentation that comes with the kernel. It is quite good. If you have any questions before upgrading the kernel, ask here before going through the process. As a bonus, you'll learn quite a bit about Linux going this route.

Hint: grep 'make oldconfig' in the docs section. It will save you a lot of time. ;)


Welp, here's the deal (and my decision),

The problem with Knoppix was that even with the new kernal I was told you could not write to NTFS (or that it was unwise). This turns out to be (as I understand it) both correct and incorrect.

I just picked up "Knoppix Hacks" by Rankin and Knopper. Within it is clarity.

I use 3.2 (I think), I have 3.4 on CD now, but they are upto 3.6. Alot has changed with Knoppix. Its what I am going to use. You can use captive NTFS now and the install options have grown. As well, I am told hardware support is now much wider. It comes with a number of utilities designed to repair MS Windows as well.

I like debian, and knoppix now allows one to back install Debian in a few different ways (since its debian based anyway). Mainly to Debian Unstable. The Knoppix installer can also be used for Gentoo install (without the Gentoo CD). Rankin based DSL on Knoppix which gives me hope I can hack together a nice Multi OS bootable utility CD.

I am pretty amazed at how much Knoppix has grown in just a few versions. Its not just a Newbie toy anymore (I am told it never was, but it seemed like it to me).

Anyways, thats my chioce.

I get Knoppix wide support, debian roots, NTFS support, easy(ish) install, KDE, etc....

Now if I can just find my computer - it was the move from Hell. Almost died, cat lost another of its 9 lives, movers went out of bussiness, rented truck was vapor ware, friends did not show up (loaded truck on new years day), and all the stuff that was supposed to be in the house ended up in storage and vice versa.

BTW Gadget - I got my MS officailly now. DId you ever get that NASA mug??

Manta


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 08, 2005 12:40 pm 
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MantaBase wrote:
I use 3.2 (I think), I have 3.4 on CD now, but they are upto 3.6. Alot has changed with Knoppix. Its what I am going to use. You can use captive NTFS now and the install options have grown. As well, I am told hardware support is now much wider. It comes with a number of utilities designed to repair MS Windows as well.


Knoppix is pretty sweet. I've used it to recover several things, and lately they have added more Windows recovery tools, too. As a LiveCD, nothing I have seen can compare to it.

I have to say I don't have any experience with the Knoppix GUI or administration, but I'm impressed enough with their dedication to an easy to use LiveCD that I trust they have done a good job elsewhere.

MantaBase wrote:
I am pretty amazed at how much Knoppix has grown in just a few versions. Its not just a Newbie toy anymore (I am told it never was, but it seemed like it to me).


It's amazing how widespread their appeal really is. Not only have they appeased sysadmins with a good recovery CD, but they are a GREAT way for newbs to splash in Linux and get a realistic but usually positive feel for it without a lot of impact.

I'm not sure it was always for newbs, but it sure has grown up a lot.

MantaBase wrote:
Anyways, thats my chioce.

I get Knoppix wide support, debian roots, NTFS support, easy(ish) install, KDE, etc....


Good choice. After you've got it up and running, you'll have to tell us how it fares. :)

MantaBase wrote:
Now if I can just find my computer - it was the move from Hell. Almost died, cat lost another of its 9 lives, movers went out of bussiness, rented truck was vapor ware, friends did not show up (loaded truck on new years day), and all the stuff that was supposed to be in the house ended up in storage and vice versa.


Holy crap. :shock: I'm glad you (finally) made it!


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 08, 2005 2:27 pm 
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MantaBase wrote:
Now if I can just find my computer - it was the move from Hell. Almost died, cat lost another of its 9 lives, movers went out of bussiness, rented truck was vapor ware, friends did not show up (loaded truck on new years day), and all the stuff that was supposed to be in the house ended up in storage and vice versa.

Damn. I might be moving again soon. I really wish I hadn't read that!

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BTW Gadget - I got my MS officailly now. DId you ever get that NASA mug??

Manta

Has it been that long since I have spoken to you?! Yes, the mug arrived intact and I love it! I'm glad to hear that you finished the MS. So what is next on the list? Are you going to continue to work at the university, with JPL, start a phd or what? Do you still have the grant?

I've been busy making some changes myself - though nothing is certain at this point. I just started working at Boeing (BSS - Boeing Satalite Systems in El Segundo - the location and rapidly increasing price of my apartment is prompting the move) doing some development work. I am in a co-op with these mostly young (22 to 25) over-achievers from USC, UCLA, Stanford, RIT, Embry Riddle and a few other schools. So that part of my life is certain and going very well. Everything else is chaos.

As far as school, I am in limbo. I need to figure out how many more classes I need to finish at CSUF for a MS degree. Finish the damn phd apps, gre (didn't have to take it for my school), etc and decide if I want to do a phd or MS somewhere else. Having spoken to the guy from Stanford, I believe that I can do a MS in CS there - 15 classes instead of the normal 10 though. They have telecommuter classes and Boeing would pay for it. Very tempting...

I'll send you a PM shortly and we'll have to finish catching up. Hopefully, I'll have resolved some things with school and where I am going to live by then.


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