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Well it doesn't support the Linksys WPC11.
Oh well


Linksys has a product without linux support?!?! :shock: That would really surprise me; I mean with linksys being the little brother of Cisco and all.

I looked up that card and it looks pretty old. I have an old Cisco 350 11mb card and it works with linux but only using WEP, in windows it has WPA functionality. This is an example of older tech, the newer stuff should be working OOB.


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Well it doesn't support the Linksys WPC11.
Oh well


What version of the WPC11 is it?


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Linksys has asstacular linux support .. many of their wireless products use Broadcom chipsets.


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Well it doesn't support the Linksys WPC11.
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What version of the WPC11 is it?

Version 4.

I can get it running but only if I plug in first and go from there.


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You know what gets me? Ubuntu is arguably the most common distro out there but they don't even include ndiswrapper in the basic install.
I always have to "plug" in and then install it.


Maybe on a install. I have used a Linksys wifi in my computer and run the Ubuntu disk live...and the card allowed me to connect effortlessly.
WHen I installed it....I had to jump thru hoops to get it to find and accept my card.
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Linksys has asstacular linux support .. many of their wireless products use Broadcom chipsets.
Aside from the fact that many of their routers use Linux based firmware...


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Linksys has asstacular linux support .. many of their wireless products use Broadcom chipsets.
Aside from the fact that many of their routers use Linux based firmware...


How does that change the fact that many of their wireless devices use Broadcom chipsets? They almost single-handedly required the invention of the ndiswrapper solution because Broadcom refused to produce any linux drivers.


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Well it doesn't support the Linksys WPC11.
Oh well


What version of the WPC11 is it?

Version 4.

I can get it running but only if I plug in first and go from there.


Is it using ndiswrapper or bcm43xx?


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Oh hell. I forgot which way I did it before and now I can't get it to work again.
I enabled bcm43 but nothing yet so I'll find the linksys drivers again and run the wrapper.


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The topic says why people don't use linux? The posts says otherwise, probably need to change it to something more suitable.

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One of the major reason why people couldn't switch to Linux were probably there weren't any office suite or wine, crossover...etc. that's totally compatible with MS Office.

In the main stream everyday business, can't really afford to have anything gone wrong with such issue.

I believe that's probably the #1 reason why people couldn't switch to linux.

Suggestion, advice MS to make Linux version of MS office, since they have no problem making one for osx.

Question, what's the likely hood or possibility for putting ms office for osx on linux since I am no linux/unix specialist.


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So when did MS Office become the standard? and understand that market dominance doesn't exactly make a standard.


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yup furball146 totally agree with you on that. There's no official law or regulation says MS office is the standard. That's probably the blank spot MS's using, if it really is the standard then they have no choice but to share it out so other office could make it totally compatible with MS office.

I remembered reading news that Europe court is making (pretty much more like forcing) MS to share the codes out, but MS wouldn't. MS has been paying such fine for over 10 years....

Sigh...


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...I simply look at the success of firefox to illustrate things. I suppose I can lump google into that mix to in which they're both taking existing technologies, making them better, and then offering them to the public with little or no cost.

Unfortunately, as long as Dell, Acer, Gateway, et al, continue to offer $500 PCs with a windows license, I don't expect things to change much as people simply want something they can work well with what they get, instead of making what they get work for them (which I believe what most linux and mac users do)


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One of the major reason why people couldn't switch to Linux were probably there weren't any office suite or wine, crossover...etc. that's totally compatible with MS Office.


I run MS Office 2007 using Wine and I've found no compatibility problems.

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Suggestion, advice MS to make Linux version of MS office, since they have no problem making one for osx.


:lol:

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Question, what's the likely hood or possibility for putting ms office for osx on linux since I am no linux/unix specialist.


It is easier to run MS Office using Wine, I imagine.


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It's been my experience that the only people complaining about software as simple as Ubuntu are those who try to do all the work themselves. I've put [k]ubuntu on quite a few people's computers, and I haven't had to come fix something for them since. It "just works". But even the installers are easy these days.

One of the great things about unix system-like environments is that it's so easy to work on people's computers via ssh instead of physically traveling to them. I do this a lot. If someone wants their OS upgraded or something, I just do it via SSH. Quite nice.


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yup furball146 totally agree with you on that. There's no official law or regulation says MS office is the standard. That's probably the blank spot MS's using, if it really is the standard then they have no choice but to share it out so other office could make it totally compatible with MS office.


MS is the de facto standard. MS Office represents almost the entire professional office suite install base.

As for forcing MS to 'share' (I call it robbery when you force someone to give you something, btw) because they have produced the most successful office software ... well, I hope I don't have to explain what happens when you punish those who succeed to 'level' the market for those who don't.

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I remembered reading news that Europe court is making (pretty much more like forcing) MS to share the codes out, but MS wouldn't. MS has been paying such fine for over 10 years....

Sigh...


Sigh indeed. Your memory got the bits about MS have problems in Europe correct, but you really massacred the details.


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yurimxpxman wrote:
It's been my experience that the only people complaining about software as simple as Ubuntu are those who try to do all the work themselves. I've put [k]ubuntu on quite a few people's computers, and I haven't had to come fix something for them since. It "just works". But even the installers are easy these days.


This is a great point. How many of these people are comfortable during a Windows install? How many know that you need to go download device drivers .. even after the OS has been installed!

How many remember their first experience installing any OS? It has never been as easy as it is now, linux or otherwise.

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One of the great things about unix system-like environments is that it's so easy to work on people's computers via ssh instead of physically traveling to them. I do this a lot. If someone wants their OS upgraded or something, I just do it via SSH. Quite nice.


Nice idea! I'll try to convince my mom to switch. :D


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MS is the de facto standard. MS Office represents almost the entire professional office suite install base.

As for forcing MS to 'share' (I call it robbery when you force someone to give you something, btw) because they have produced the most successful office software ... well, I hope I don't have to explain what happens when you punish those who succeed to 'level' the market for those who don't.


Can't argue with the de facto std. It still is, but seems they are only asking to share the communication code so others could follow and be compatible with MS office's standard. It is like the people's asking the king to give them the law so they could live.

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Sigh indeed. Your memory got the bits about MS have problems in Europe correct, but you really massacred the details.


massacred the details, thats' funny. :D

Anyway, in Europe if I remembered right for 10 years MS had to pay up on a fine for the code sharing. And recently I believe they lost the anti-trust case so they are now have no choice but to share the communication code out with partners.

However, seems during that 10-year period the industry didn't wait for it to settle but to look for other forms of open standard. They came up with the ODF, open document format. The format which is now official ISO standard.

I guess MS didn't like the idea, so they have the OOXML, open office xml. Right now still in the process of fighting it and try to be an ISO standard.

Some countries in Europe and some government here in the US and commercial companies are using ODF.

Please correct me if the above info. isn't accurate. Would be great if more would add on the latest development.


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Read this for a quick summary of the EU's anitrust case against Microsoft.


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ok Jipstyle ty for the link, I finally got the time to read it. Mmmmm initial thought was if you want to do business here, you comply with our rules......and that's it.

MS is having hard time fighting with them and keeps on been fined for late or
not completely willing to comply with the ruling.......

Just wondering if EU was trying to make everything more equal instead....


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