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 Post subject: An easier Gentoo?
PostPosted: Tue Jul 06, 2004 7:57 am 
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There's a new distro called Vidalinux that is supposed to have the speed of Gentoo, Gentoo's Portage, but the ease of installation of Redhat.

http://gentoo.vidalinux.com/?q=


I haven't tried it out yet, however, I did notice the following quirks:

* The installer is based on Redhat's Anaconda installer.
* The installer uses a Stage-3 Tarball

The distro is loaded:

* GNOME 2.6 (I'm using this with Slack 10)
* Firefox
* Porthole - A GUI-fied version of Portage
* OpenOffice
* Evolution

The interesting thing with Vidalinux is that it's simply a repackaged Gentoo system; Porthole is a GUI front for Portage, the Anaconda installer makes installs easier, and it's preloaded with software (you can always unmerge it and emerge the ones you want).

While I'm all about Gentoo and its philosophies on choice, Gentoo's biggest flaw is that it's so difficult to install. However, it seems that the developers for Vidalinux simply threw in stage-3 tarball, some apps, and ran a few scripts to install everything. I find that Vidalinux should allow options for Stage 1 and Stage 2 installs. However, people who are absolutely tired of installing Gentoo the Gentoo way, will find a breath of fresh air with Vidalinux. Once I get it up and running on my laptop, I'll write a quick review.

A few more things, Vidalinux uses the 2004.0 version of Gentoo. It seems that 2004.1 is having problems. I know for a fact that 2004.0 detects my NIC properly, but 2004.1, even with modprobe, won't see my NIC (8139too, tried 8139cp as well).


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sounds cool... thats one thing that always bugged me about gentoo, though i muscle through it. def not easy for n00bies


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virtualchaos wrote:
sounds cool... thats one thing that always bugged me about gentoo, though i muscle through it. def not easy for n00bies


Gentoo's not supposed to be easy, I think that the design goals of Gentoo is for intermediate to advanced Linux users who are comfortable with the CLI. However, I find that it serverely limits the distro because it doesn't cater to all generations of Linux users - newbie to pro. I give Slackware a lot of credit for it, since their install - as rudimentary as it is - works quite well (except that you have to fdisk yourself).

However, even though Gentoo is design for intermediate to advanced users, they should have implemented an installer for newbies. Gentoo has a lot of great potential, performance and the Portage System really sets it apart. Anyhow, if they can extend Gentoo to include more tools, for SysAdmin stuff, that would make Gentoo *very* competitive.

I've muscled through Gentoo installs, and frankly, I'm fed up with it.


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 Post subject: Re: An easier Gentoo?
PostPosted: Tue Jul 06, 2004 10:17 pm 
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DJSPIN80 wrote:
I know for a fact that 2004.0 detects my NIC properly, but 2004.1, even with modprobe, won't see my NIC (8139too, tried 8139cp as well).

I just saw a review where another distro suddenly didn't work with a 8139too card - I wonder what is up. Realtek must be a pita.


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 Post subject: Re: An easier Gentoo?
PostPosted: Tue Jul 06, 2004 11:31 pm 
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Gadget wrote:
DJSPIN80 wrote:
I know for a fact that 2004.0 detects my NIC properly, but 2004.1, even with modprobe, won't see my NIC (8139too, tried 8139cp as well).

I just saw a review where another distro suddenly didn't work with a 8139too card - I wonder what is up. Realtek must be a pita.


Not Realtek, the 8139too drivers work flawlessly in 2004.0, but not 2004.1. From the Gentoo Forums, they said that 2004.1 is the worse one out of all the Gentoo releases, supposedly, it's riddled with bugs galore (I can see why). The Realtek drivers are crucial, most laptops and desktops sold sometime ago use Realtek drivers, even until today, so getting support for Realtek in Linux is essential.

I'm using Slackware right now, but it just doesn't feel the same without Portage. I'm going back to using Gentoo though :D


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