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 Post subject: Where is my RAM going?!
PostPosted: Wed Oct 20, 2004 3:30 am 
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Damn this is getting out of hand. I remember when I first built my computer I was using maybe 100-110 megs or so on a boot with a few programs.

Now ive disabled just about everything and I'm using 170 megs right off the bat! This just doesn't make sense, someone explain why windows shows all processes adding up to maybe 50 megs while im using 170 megs of ram? Even with drivers and whatnot this is absurd.

Heres the pics of my task manager http://lbi.250free.com/ramgone.jpg http://lbi.250free.com/ramdiscrepency.jpg

My rigs basic layout in terms of hardware:
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windows xp sp1
Asus a7n8x-dx rev 1.04 BIOS 1007
1800+
512 megs or RAM (256 corsair, 256 buffalo)
winfast tv tuner
radeon 9500 pro softmoded to 9700 with omega 2.5.58 drivers.
ps/2 keyboard and logitech mx500 using the ps/2 adapter

Nothing plugged into USB or firewire ports (occasionally a digicam and I have a sony minidisc player so I have that stupid Sony STPI service)
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 Post subject: Re: Where is my RAM going?!
PostPosted: Wed Oct 20, 2004 4:17 am 
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urmumsacow wrote:
Damn this is getting out of hand. I remember when I first built my computer I was using maybe 100-110 megs or so on a boot with a few programs.

Now ive disabled just about everything and I'm using 170 megs right off the bat! This just doesn't make sense, someone explain why windows shows all processes adding up to maybe 50 megs while im using 170 megs of ram? Even with drivers and whatnot this is absurd.

Heres the pics of my task manager http://lbi.250free.com/ramgone.jpg http://lbi.250free.com/ramdiscrepency.jpg

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Hey Urmumsacow,
The biggest descrpency in what you are showing here is
You've got a list of the processes (most of them being services) that are being loaded into memory - by my Calc - about 60MB or so.

And ya - you probably have a couple of megs 5MB or so of drivers running.
Whats not being seen in the list is the support DLL files that are needed to simply run basic Windows (irregardless of what other services or how clean the environment is). If you were to run Windows in Safe Mode - you'd find that you are still using far more memory that it appears in Task Manager.
XP is a Beast - between its GUI, its loading of DLLs for security, etc., and its inherent caching of Windows data into Memory (even if its not currently being run) builds up to a machine thats gonna use RAM.

Windows (XP especially) caches DLL and system files into RAM so that when you attempt to access one of the 'core' set of features, its responsive and fast (even on older machines). It does that by looking at your overall RAM and taking a percentage (even a large one) of that RAM for use of system caching...

If you were attempting to run XP on a 128MB or 256MB machine - you'd find that less of the OS would be cached.

Now - if anyone else has better info - please lets here it! - but to my understanding - there is very little that can be done about the system caching...

Hope that info helps clarify...

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 20, 2004 12:33 pm 
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Hmmm, thats about what I suspected.

Still its odd since I have taken many many steps to combat microsofts "hold my hand" technology. Ive dissabled the luna gui and all the crap about shadows and effects, ive killed many a process (as you can see) and while I can accept that alot of DLL's could be loaded I don't see where the hell they all came from, unless of course things are as you say and windows caches more based on how much ram you have.

*sigh* I guess all these little buggers add up: http://lbi.250free.com/LISTDLLS.txt


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a stupid comment was here


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slash becomes a dot.. fixed


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 23, 2004 9:15 pm 
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slash becomes a dot.. fixed


Just out of curiosity, what was your solution?


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 25, 2004 11:16 am 
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mah3 wrote:
urmumsacow wrote:
slash becomes a dot.. fixed


Just out of curiosity, what was your solution?


I think he's referring to a URL that was reported as broken. :)


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lol I spend too much time on these forums..

I just got WAY too much enjoyment from that TW...

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If you've seen his desktop screen shots, you can probably figure out where his memory went. :lol:


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