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PostPosted: Tue Nov 23, 2004 7:39 pm 
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I'm going off the university next year and im planning to get a laptop in the next few months. Does anyone have any suggestions on which type/model I should get? Would a ultralight (IMB?) notebook work or should I get the biggest baddest laptop I can get my hands on? Since it is going to be used mainly for school, I'm unsure which to get.


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 23, 2004 7:41 pm 
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Depends if you really need the notebook to be really mobile, or just a desktop replacement.

And, as always, we need your budget.


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 23, 2004 7:43 pm 
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oh, well i'm thinking about mobile but i'm really unsure on that issue because i would want to go to lan parties but then again.... i wouldn't want to lug around a 10 pound laptop and battery adapter around campus

as for budget, i've got around 3000 to spend


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 23, 2004 8:38 pm 
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I think this Sager 9860 is the best overall desktop replacement. There are other resellers of Sager, but that is the one I like.


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 23, 2004 9:01 pm 
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I used to support Toshibas - for the money, I think they're decent. In comparison, I'm not liking the IBM R32's (as this is my 2nd one) my work has - thankfully we're going to HPs.

My suggestions are to consider screen size - now that 17" displays are available - and keyboard. Video is pretty much the same, 64 MB in ATi or nVidia, HD space varies somewhat. Reason I say keyboard is that the IBM's don't have the windows key, and some laptops actually have a full QWERTY keyboard - when you look, try typing a letter and you'll see. When I got my first laptop, it took a couple of weeks to get used to the keyboard.

Battery life always sucks - take the charger, which will add to the weight.


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I know that my dell 5100 gets very hot. I will be operating on the battery doing some homework with simple programming(QBASIC) and the heat trigger shuts my pc off and I lose all my data. (Thanks to Flytrap for helping me understand why it was shutting down.) But I think a nice laptop that won't overheat would be any with a Intel Pentium M at maybe 1.7Ghz. It should stay cool with the fewer clock cycles. Correct me if I'm wrong about the Pentium M, if there is a better one... A mobil Athlon 64 would probably be good too.

I kinda like this one with Gigabit LAN.
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDe ... 036&depa=0
Use any extra money to upgrade the ram to 1024mb, maybe. There are manufacturers who's websites can let you choose what you want by customising it.


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I really like what IBM has to offer but do you think the viedocards (ati or nvidia) can handle light gaming?


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I game alot with my 32MB ATI 7500(old) and it would be nice to have better quality in games but I can play them all at 1024x768 with low settings like UT2K4. What other chip manufacturers would you like to see in a laptop?


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 24, 2004 6:03 pm 
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Well, what i was refering to was not so much the manufacturer but more to the performance. You see, I've never been really interested in laptop gaming and i was unsure about what kind of videocard in order to do some light gaming. When i say "light" i dont mean far cry at 1600x1200 but just any setting which will result in playable games.

Would any of the 64-128 MB videocard that IBM offers on its notebooks be able to do light gaming?

Thanks :D


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 24, 2004 7:55 pm 
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For sure, like I said, my 32mb ati 7500 plays UT2K4 and that is kinda intense. Right now I am playing emulator games like Zelda for the N64, and it's so fun. I definitely (note that it is spelled correctly) value a good story line over graphics quality and this game offers both in my opinion. You can play the newest games with 64mb-128mb.

With a budget like $3000 you might as well get the high end graphics for light gaming, then in the future you can still game with it. But like my system with the 32mb ati, I might end up not being able to play the less intensive games of 2006-2007 or so. By then by whole PC is out-of-date though, isn't it. :lol:


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 24, 2004 8:14 pm 
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ya, my Mobility Radeon 9200 plays all games fine, if not on the highest graphics settings


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Thanks for the input guys, I really appreciate it.

Thanks again :lol: :D


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 29, 2004 10:02 pm 
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Urvile wrote:
I think this Sager 9860 is the best overall desktop replacement. There are other resellers of Sager, but that is the one I like.


Sager is a Clevo/Kapok reseller. They don't make any of their laptops ;)

And the other "Sager Resellers" are also Clevo/Kapok resellers

But yes I also agree, the Clevo D900T is the badass of desktop replacement laptops right now


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 30, 2004 5:48 am 
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My buddy litterally bought a gaming laptop yesterday...together we researched the diff re-sellers who package the 6800 and Sager had HORRIBLE BBB reviews!!!! There are about 5 companies that currently offer the 6800 and the best company we were able to find was Hypersonic

Hypersonic Aviator

If you are looking to play the latest games and don't mind the size of this monsterous desktop replacement..this puppy rocks! Decked out:

QTY: 1
Product:
Aviator EX7
3.40GHz Intel® Pentium® 4 Processor 550
Intel® 915P+ICH6 LGA-775 Mobile Motherboard (EX7)
512MB PC4200 DDR2-533 SODIMM
512MB PC4200 DDR2-533 SODIMM
Built-in ATA Hardware RAID Controller
60GB 7200rpm Ultra ATA Hard Drive w/ 8MB Cache
4X DVD ± R/W Drive w/ DVD Recording Software
User-Upgradeable Nvidia® GeForce 6800 Go PCI-Express 256MB (w/
DVI & TV Out)
Built-in 4-Speaker 3D Sound System w/ 8.1 Channel S/PDIF Output
Integrated V.92 56K Fax/Data Modem
Integrated 10/100/1000 Gigabit Ethernet Controller
7 in 1 Flash Media Card Reader Bay
Aviator EX7 in Silver with Graphite Accents
17" WSXGA+ 1680x1050 Wide-Screen Display w/ Super Clear Glossy
Surface
Internal 802.11b+g 54Mbps Wireless Mini PCI Network Adapter
Non-Operating System Setup (Blank HD). Only Testing and Burn-in
1 Year 24/7 Toll-Free Tech Support Platinum Service & Lifetime
Support

Unit Price: $2,760.00
Unit Total: $2,760.00


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Hypersonic = Another Kapok/Clevo reseller.

It's the exact same laptop that Sager, Pro-Star, Alienware, and the rest of them sell.


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 01, 2004 5:31 am 
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Flytrap7 wrote:
Hypersonic = Another Kapok/Clevo reseller.

It's the exact same laptop that Sager, Pro-Star, Alienware, and the rest of them sell.


understood...it's pretty obvious by simply looking at the case. My point relates to the service specific to each company...Hypersonic is documentedly (that a word? :wink: ) the better compared to the others (not including Alien).


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 01, 2004 4:24 pm 
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As long as you don't get a lemon I've found that I don't need to deal with Support.

That was the case when I got my first laptop almost four years ago from Pro-Star. They don't have a very good reseller rating but it didn't matter because the laptop never needed any service (except for taking apart the heatsink for dust and cat hair removal, which occurs every 4 to 6 months).

Personally I see no reason for a support line except to bitch at the guys on the other end for lack of driver updates and complaints about lack of features in the subsequent models (yes, guilty :D ).


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 01, 2004 4:44 pm 
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HoOdY wrote:
My buddy litterally bought a gaming laptop yesterday...together we researched the diff re-sellers who package the 6800 and Sager had HORRIBLE BBB reviews!!!! There are about 5 companies that currently offer the 6800 and the best company we were able to find was Hypersonic

Hypersonic Aviator

If you are looking to play the latest games and don't mind the size of this monsterous desktop replacement..this puppy rocks! Decked out:

QTY: 1
Product:
Aviator EX7
3.40GHz Intel® Pentium® 4 Processor 550
Intel® 915P+ICH6 LGA-775 Mobile Motherboard (EX7)
512MB PC4200 DDR2-533 SODIMM
512MB PC4200 DDR2-533 SODIMM
Built-in ATA Hardware RAID Controller
60GB 7200rpm Ultra ATA Hard Drive w/ 8MB Cache
4X DVD ± R/W Drive w/ DVD Recording Software
User-Upgradeable Nvidia® GeForce 6800 Go PCI-Express 256MB (w/
DVI & TV Out)
Built-in 4-Speaker 3D Sound System w/ 8.1 Channel S/PDIF Output
Integrated V.92 56K Fax/Data Modem
Integrated 10/100/1000 Gigabit Ethernet Controller
7 in 1 Flash Media Card Reader Bay
Aviator EX7 in Silver with Graphite Accents
17" WSXGA+ 1680x1050 Wide-Screen Display w/ Super Clear Glossy
Surface
Internal 802.11b+g 54Mbps Wireless Mini PCI Network Adapter
Non-Operating System Setup (Blank HD). Only Testing and Burn-in
1 Year 24/7 Toll-Free Tech Support Platinum Service & Lifetime
Support

Unit Price: $2,760.00
Unit Total: $2,760.00


Yup, and you can kiss mobility good bye. That may be one kick-ass laptop, but I'm willing to bet it has a battery life or 2 hours (maybe 2.5) and weighs 15 pounds. Dont' get me wrong, if you only move it once a week or so, or only move it around in a small area with many sources of power, it would be awesome. But if you want mobility, look elsewhere


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wunderbar wrote:
Yup, and you can kiss mobility good bye. That may be one kick-ass laptop, but I'm willing to bet it has a battery life or 2 hours (maybe 2.5) and weighs 15 pounds. Dont' get me wrong, if you only move it once a week or so, or only move it around in a small area with many sources of power, it would be awesome. But if you want mobility, look elsewhere


Out of curiousity, do you own a laptop?

I personally take a 13 lb notebook back and forth to work with me on a daily basis, it's a monster desktop replacement with as much crap built into it as possible, desktop processor, etc, and has a battery life of over 3 hours. So in terms of mobility, yes, they're quite mobile (even used it in my car a few times, obviously not while driving), and in terms of battery life I'm getting more then 3 hours which is quite good for one of these beasts.

So, I wanna know where people like you get these numbers from. Do you personally own one of these desktop replacement models? or are you just guessing based on the specs?


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 01, 2004 8:34 pm 
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I recommend PCTorque/Sager (yes i know there resellers) cause they do have great support. My adapter shorted and they sent me a new one know charge no problem. Just look into em.


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