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Wow talk about being a dick! I didn't feel I needed to use punctuation on an internet forum. It's hilarious to me, that you want to get on someones case, and say this is an early warning sign of "failing at life". Thanks... that was a good laugh.


Internet forums are archived through Google. So, theoretically a prospective employer could Google search you (though I doubt they will know your screenname) and see how you type.


That is true, though not what I was getting at.

It is the difference between someone who shaves every day and dresses decently and the person who only shaves for job interviews and wears sweats unless he is trying to impress someone.

Daily habits make a man. The military teaches this. Prep schools teach this. Life teaches this. Some people learn the lesson and become very successful; most don't and remain mediocre.

Similarly, the way one presents oneself online represents a habit ... either good or bad.

Take gamerfreak as an example. I wouldn't have considered him good for much 10 years ago, but we could all see that he had potential. Now, given the way that he presents himself, the way that he argues and presents his reasoning, I would happily offer him the chance to land an internship or entry-level position in our field. He has learned the importance of appearances ... and that is the point I was making.

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You think you can judge someone by how they type on the 'net? LOL


Yes, you can. People always judge you.


Quite successfully, in most cases. Again ... Trav vs. Gamer. Which will be a success and which will fail at life? The answer is obvious.

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What's your secret? Most people have to study to do well in their classes. Granted my only experiences are from a 4-year university. In my case, even studying sometimes isn't good enough.


My guess: he is in a junior or technical college. He is taking entry level courses that review material he already knows or with which he has a degree of familiarity. He isn't learning all this material; the majority is stuff he has already encountered.


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@Jipstyle: I knew what you meant. I was giving an example of why punctuation on an Internet forum is important.


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@Jipstyle: I knew what you meant. I was giving an example of why punctuation on an Internet forum is important.


I thought as much.

I expanded on my point so the OP would be (hopefully) less offended.

Advice isn't always nice and, admittedly, I'm somewhat ... terse.

He'll either consider as it was intended or continue to be butt-hurt about it. Eventually, he'll either learn or accept that life as a DST is the best he can do. I'm hoping for option A.


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I'm siding with Jipstyle here djblackout. If you read more of his posts on the forums here, you'll see he's telling it like it is in the business world. He just doesn't feel a need to candycoat it for people. Personally, if you want to succeed, I'd recommend printing his post out and framing it on a wall over your toilet so you read it every time you hit the can.

In terms of your posting, first impressions are everything. As an employer, if your resume was like your posts here, I wouldn't be hiring you. Spelling and grammar are the first things I look for on a resume. If you have problems spelling C++, you're going to be sent to the bottom of the pile or the trashcan.

Computers are especially demanding in terms of accuracy of your input. Not paying attention to case sensitivity, punctuation, etc. in code can screw you over bigtime. Not taking the time when it isn't important is a big clue as to what you will do at crunchtime.

In terms of the classes, if you have to ask, take fewer classes. You already have a history of not performing (dropout of automotive school), college at 24, etc. If the first year works out ok, THEN expand the classes later. Don't set yourself up for burnout and failure now.

Most colleges are not the same as high school or trade school. Slacking off in high school is essentially playing out rope for the hangman's noose in college.


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yeah when i do get into more difficult classes im sure i will have to study. but this stuff is remedial to me. also prospective employees wont be able to find anything out about me, because i wouldnt be using this name or email address to contact them. There isnt anything personal on here about me.

i wasnt trying to impress anyone by making sure i have no punctuation or grammatical errors. i could care less. I was just asking about information. you attacked how i typed for no reason. I could really care less tho. im not offended, i just think its stupid for you to talk shit about someone you know nothing about


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You're missing the point. Again.

I wasn't attacking you. I'm not attacking you now. I'm offering you advice.

I'm judging you based on the way that you present yourself. This will happen to you for the rest of your life. Get used to it.

We're trying to encourage you to change your habits. Learn to write properly at all times and writing properly will be much easier when it is necessary.

Again, it is like shaving. If you do it every day, it doesn't seem like a chore. If you dress well every day, ironing your dress shirts becomes a habit rather than something that you have to remember to do. Habits build success.

You think it is 'stupid to talk shit about someone you don't know.' You're missing the point. We are drawing educated conclusions about you and your habits based on your presentation of yourself.

What you don't understand or are unwilling to accept is that we can judge you quite accurately based on the small amount of information that you've given us and the way that you've done so. Experience has taught us otherwise.

Good luck with your career. If you become successful, please come back and let us know. I'm willing to bet that if you do, your post will be written clearly and grammatically correctly .. and you won't even think about it.


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I don't feel the need to do perfect punctuation, and grammar on this forum. Yes, I understand that using perfect sentence structure will vastly increase my odds of landing a job... but I'm not trying to get a job on here lol. Now before you respond that I'm not getting it.... yes.. I get it...but I still don't feel the need to be perfect on here. I do appreciate the criticism, but maybe you should portray yourself in a way that doesn't make you seem like an asshole.

You are saying how unsuccessful I will be. Its quite annoying. I didn't plan to stay on this forum much more than building a computer, and this general question that Ive posted on numerous forums.

You say you're drawing educated opinions about me, but you know nothing about me. You said yourself you were judging on the 'small amounts of info' ive given you...All you know about me, is that I wasn't making perfect posts. You may have even judged me on dropping out of auto school? Why did I do that? Working on cars is more of a hobby... It's not something I plan to do my whole life.

It's so hilarious that you guys think that my posts on here, are somewhat relevant to what I'd give to a potential employer.

Also, there is NO NEED to say I have a history of 'not performing' I already explained auto school, and college at 24? You want to know why I'm going to college at 24? I had to save up money and work my ass off to pay for tuition. To be honest, it sickens me to think of how judgmental you guys have been being.


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I don't feel the need to do perfect punctuation, and grammar on this forum. Yes, I understand that using perfect sentence structure will vastly increase my odds of landing a job... but I'm not trying to get a job on here lol. Now before you respond that I'm not getting it.... yes.. I get it...but I still don't feel the need to be perfect on here. I do appreciate the criticism, but maybe you should portray yourself in a way that doesn't make you seem like an asshole.

You are saying how unsuccessful I will be. Its quite annoying. I didn't plan to stay on this forum much more than building a computer, and this general question that Ive posted on numerous forums.

You say you're drawing educated opinions about me, but you know nothing about me. You said yourself you were judging on the 'small amounts of info' ive given you...All you know about me, is that I wasn't making perfect posts. You may have even judged me on dropping out of auto school? Why did I do that? Working on cars is more of a hobby... It's not something I plan to do my whole life.

It's so hilarious that you guys think that my posts on here, are somewhat relevant to what I'd give to a potential employer.

Also, there is NO NEED to say I have a history of 'not performing' I already explained auto school, and college at 24? You want to know why I'm going to college at 24? I had to save up money and work my ass off to pay for tuition. To be honest, it sickens me to think of how judgmental you guys have been being.


I find it hilarious that since Jip called you out on your shitty grammar, each of your replying posts have had better grammar and improved punctuation.

@Jip: Don't stop! It's working! Say something about his hair or something!


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Nope, I'm done.

He isn't interested in advice. He asks ridiculously stupid questions and wonders why we can judge him so easily. Seriously .. how do you expect strangers to know how heavy a work load you can handle? Does he really think that we know how much work any of those courses entail? We don't even know what school he is attending, though the odds of us being familiar with it are slim.

He drops out of auto school after deciding that it is a hobby for him and doesn't see how we can draw a judgement from that.

He ignores our arguments and gets insulted by honest advice.

Seriously .. there is no helping some people. If he comes back in 5 years and proves us wrong, well, we'll all have learned something. I'm happy to learn. Until then, I see no point in continuing this conversation .. it will only degrade into flames and insults.


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the whole thing about using punctuation is to prove my point. I dont feel the need to use it on here. Its just some forum, its nothing serious.


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djblackout wrote:
the whole thing about using punctuation is to prove my point. I dont feel the need to use it on here. Its just some forum, its nothing serious.


While I understand your point, it's still not a good one. When I was in High School, I was one of the best writers in my class. Why? Because 90% of the students had given up on real words and puctuation to fit 160 characters. Between instant messaging, texting and general laziness, most people don't write correctly most of the time, which makes it so much more difficult to do it some of the time (the times when it really matters). If you don't believe me, you don't visit Craigslist.

It might not be a big deal to you, but it does divulge a fair amount about you. Also, writing correctly should be a higher priority here, since this is a public forum. Correct grammar, spelling, and punctuation make your posts easier to read and understand. I've seen posts here from people asking a question or asking for help with a PC issue, but I'm not going to devote 15 minutes reading their post so I begin to figure out the problem. I do that for a living at least 40+ hours a week.You might think it's unimportant, but it's more like a common courtesy.

I would heed Jip's advice. I was in the same boat you were a while back and Jip gave me good, solid advice, much like he's given to others before me, and much like he'll give in posts to come. He knows his shit. If you don't like it, that's fine. As he said, you can take it or leave it.

Now, unless this thread gets heated again, or you have some intelligent questions, I'll find a new thread to watch.


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I do, in fact have an intelligent question. Do you think Cisco I&II[its a 3ish hour class], advanced web programming related to the internet[also a 3hr class], and Network essentials[3hr]... will be a difficult semester? Each is only once a week class... but I'm curious about how intensive they are. Are the exams difficult? I have a natural aptitude for anything computer related. I guess I'm just wondering if ill be dealing with two different aspects of the networking field?

I find adv. web programming as a simple course. The first class was very simple. We were dealing with xhtml, xml, css, tables, macromedia, forms, javascript...posting to a server.. and so on. It was the first time I was messing with xml, and java.. but picked that up quick.. and am rated #2 in my class. Not like that matters, but it gives you a general idea.

So as that being a easy and fun class, do you think the other 2 remaining courses may somewhat interfere with studying... or give me a quick jump start on networking? I already have messed around with tcp/ip. I have seen how to read packets, knowing how to set up networks, firewalls, routers..etc. So is network essentials going to be an easy course for someone with some knowledge.. or will in be badly paired with cisco?

below posted are course description.


Networking Essentials


Description

IAI: None 1.2 Network Essentials is an introduction to Local Area Networks (LANs). The course is useful for LAN managers, supervisors of LAN managers, users of LANs, or those considering the purchase and installation of a local area network. Topics include needs analysis, methods to evaluate and determine specifications of hardware and software for purchase, installation, management, and troubleshooting of a local area network system. microcomputer-based local area networks will be emphasized. Advantages and disadvantages of links to a mainframe or mini-computer will be discussed. Students will install a local area network as part of the course. Prerequisite or Co-requisite: PCT 101 or CIS 102. Credit: 3 semester hours Lecture: 3 Lab: 0




Adv Program Related - Internet

Description

IAI: None 1.2 This course is designed for students and pro- fessionals interested in extending their knowledge of Web programming tools. The emphasis of this course is website development, rather than single web page development. This course includes cascading style sheets, server-side includes, dynamic HTML, the use of HTML code generators and web graphics to create a website, and may also include new topics as they arise, such as XML. This course also introduces both client and server-side web scripting. Prerequisite: WEB 101 or equivalent web development experience Credit: 4 semester hours Lecture: 3 Lab: 2


Cisco Networking I

Description

IAI: None 1.2 Networking Fundamentals is the first of four courses in the Cisco Networking Academy program. Topics included in this course are networking standards, networking terminology, protocols, safety, cabling, routers and addressing. Decision-making and problem-solving techniques are applied to solve network problems. Additional instruction is provided in maintenance and use of software, tools and equipment. Prerequisite: PCT 101 Credit: 4 semester hours Lecture: 4 Lab: 0




Cisco Networking II

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IAI: None 1.2 Router Theory and Technologies is the second course of four courses in the Cisco Networking Academy program. Topics included in this course are safety, standards, TCP/IP, routing and administration. Decision-making and problem-solving techniques are applied to solve network problems. Prerequisite: PCT 120 Credit: 4 semester hours Lecture: 4 Lab: 0


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For the networking classes, we can't tell you if the exams are difficult. That varies widely between any school and professor.

As for taking general TCP/IP networking classes with Cisco classes, that could be confusing. I don't have any college experience, but studying for the Network+ exam and then studying for my CCNA, I can tell you that the Cisco and CompTIA can take very different approaches to explaining some topics that overlap the courses. I wouldn't jump into learning networking with a Cisco class. Take the Networking Essentials class and save the Cisco stuff for later. That's what I would do.


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