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 Post subject: Cable Sleeving
PostPosted: Sun Jan 22, 2012 3:29 am 
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Hello All,

I'm in the very beginning process of planning a new build. One of the things I want to accomplish is a very clean look to the inside of my case, including color coordinating all of the components. I am curious about sleeving the PSU cables. I have seen some very nice builds where all of the cables seem to be individually sleeved and color matched. Does anyone know if there is a product used to sleeve the cables? Or better yet, are there products you can purchase that come pre-sleeved?

Thanks in advance for your assistance.

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 Post subject: Re: Cable Sleeving
PostPosted: Sun Jan 22, 2012 10:31 am 
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If you mean individual sleeves like each wire on the PSU, that's something FrozenCPU does. I never understood that as sleeving is all about bundling IMO, but it can be done easily if given enough time and tools. To do these, they'll take off the main connector, sleeve each run with 1/8" sleeving long enough to reach into the PSU by about 1", slip 3/4" of 1/8" shrink on, put the connector back on, and then individually shrink each one-by-one. It's not the "good" shrink they use and in use the shrink and sleeve slips up the wire as you use it. Good shrink has this hot-glue stuff in it that melts and secures it to the wire and sleeving so it doesn't do this.

General sleeving and heatshrink is available all over the place. You'll want a $5 molex tool if you deal with Molex, S/ATA is taken apart pretty easily with something thin enough to lift the tabs while pulling the wire, and a little bic does well with heatshrink. NOTE: Colored heatshrink don't like Bic lighters as soot makes them black too easily.

If this is your first attempt, I'd plan a full weekend to this and just focus on routing and bundling. Don't try and just get the machine running, as you do this on a desk or test station. To go to the pretty side, a known running computer is ripped apart constantly just to get the fitting stage down and way before one length of sleeving has even been placed. It's all about clean routing before sleeving, so keep that in mind.

One thing I caution against and see it far to much in beginners trying to bundle wires of any type: It's not forever! Here's a simple example= Just the other night someone at work decided to clean up all the assorted wires for the screens, keyboard, power, mouse and all that ugly stuff. That's cool, but the mouse can move exactly 2" in any direction and the screens (that are on a common mount) don't move anywhere...not even a 1/4" without unplugging power. This may fit that exact scenario for that person only, but adjustments MUST be made. Having clean wiring allows for adjustments as it's not about "as it sets" ideals. Always think ahead about "what if I change these two drives" or something like "what if I don't/will want two GPU's some day? Even a mouse not moving to me is impractical; because it isn't. A PC that can't be upgrading or changed without redoing it all is also impractical and shouldn't be done. Leave slack for future use that doesn't require re-work. THEN sleeve it if you want.

I'm looking at my early work that exemplifies this as I look at a 2002 build here on the garage floor collecting dust. It's an old Chieftec/Antec Soho bellybutton case that use to hold six 36G Raptors. I spent so much time making that thing fit exactly for that build that it still looks like it's ready for that old situation today. The trunk of Molex runs sit there with 5 heads just dangling out going to no-where as it just needs one drive and just basically looks like Medusa on a bad hair day. Don't kick yourself 10 years from now...think ahead :D


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 Post subject: Re: Cable Sleeving
PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2012 12:27 am 
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Thank you Chumly for the quick and very thorough reply. I browsed around FrozenCPU a bit and correct me if I am wrong, but it looks like I could purchase all of the cables I need pre-sleeved? Or even send in my PSU and have them custom sleeve it (though at $400 it's a bit pricey).


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 Post subject: Re: Cable Sleeving
PostPosted: Mon Jan 30, 2012 7:31 pm 
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Yeah you can buy extensions from there. Better than sleeving your psu in my opinion since when you switch out power supplies you can keep your nice custom extensions. The other option is too snoop around and you can find a few people on the net that do it. I always wanted to try it myself but havnt found the time yet.

Here is the thread I had started on the same subject. There are a few more replies there.


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2012 2:10 am 
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Thanks for the other resources. I'll be sure to check them out.


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Looks like Corsair beat me to it:

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Corsai ... 14542.html

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 Post subject: Re: Cable Sleeving
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wow look at that timing haha.


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 Post subject: Re: Cable Sleeving
PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 9:11 pm 
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Chumly wrote:
If you mean individual sleeves like each wire on the PSU, that's something FrozenCPU does. I never understood that as sleeving is all about bundling IMO, but it can be done easily if given enough time and tools. To do these, they'll take off the main connector, sleeve each run with 1/8" sleeving long enough to reach into the PSU by about 1", slip 3/4" of 1/8" shrink on, put the connector back on, and then individually shrink each one-by-one. It's not the "good" shrink they use and in use the shrink and sleeve slips up the wire as you use it. Good shrink has this hot-glue stuff in it that melts and secures it to the wire and sleeving so it doesn't do this.

General sleeving and heatshrink is available all over the place. You'll want a $5 molex tool if you deal with Molex, S/ATA is taken apart pretty easily with something thin enough to lift the tabs while pulling the wire, and a little bic does well with heatshrink. NOTE: Colored heatshrink don't like Bic lighters as soot makes them black too easily.

If this is your first attempt, I'd plan a full weekend to this and just focus on routing and bundling. Don't try and just get the machine running, as you do this on a desk or test station. To go to the pretty side, a known running computer is ripped apart constantly just to get the fitting stage down and way before one length of sleeving has even been placed. It's all about clean routing before sleeving, so keep that in mind.

One thing I caution against and see it far to much in beginners trying to bundle wires of any type: It's not forever! Here's a simple example= Just the other night someone at work decided to clean up all the assorted wires for the screens, keyboard, power, mouse and all that ugly stuff. That's cool, but the mouse can move exactly 2" in any direction and the screens (that are on a common mount) don't move anywhere...not even a 1/4" without unplugging power. This may fit that exact scenario for that person only, but adjustments MUST be made. Having clean wiring allows for adjustments as it's not about "as it sets" ideals. Always think ahead about "what if I change these two drives" or something like "what if I don't/will want two GPU's some day? Even a mouse not moving to me is impractical; because it isn't. A PC that can't be upgrading or changed without redoing it all is also impractical and shouldn't be done. Leave slack for future use that doesn't require re-work. THEN sleeve it if you want.

I'm looking at my early work that exemplifies this as I look at a 2002 build here on the garage floor collecting dust. It's an old Chieftec/Antec Soho bellybutton case that use to hold six 36G Raptors. I spent so much time making that thing fit exactly for that build that it still looks like it's ready for that old situation today. The trunk of Molex runs sit there with 5 heads just dangling out going to no-where as it just needs one drive and just basically looks like Medusa on a bad hair day. Don't kick yourself 10 years from now...think ahead :D



Exactly right cable tieing is an art. IMO wires should never be tied to a desk they should just be a bundle. Also I can see where the individual sleeving comes in useful if you have a little bit of room behind a mobo tray and a lot of wires to hide it can get tight. If they are all individually bundled they will spread out easily and make more room for the side.


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