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 Post subject: Problem with old computer
PostPosted: Wed Jun 30, 2004 12:55 pm 
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Cx6x86-P150+ CPU
120 MHz
24x Creative CD-ROM
250MB (?) HDD thats on its way out
Win98 (non-SE I think)

It's my half-sister's. It stopped loading windows, without a floppy in it, it says:
Drive Not Ready
Insert BOOT diskette in A:
Press any key when ready_

So I got a Win98 bootdisk off bootdisk.com, and I cant get the CD-ROM drivers to load.

I check the C:\ directory and no system files appear to be installed.
I figure some sort of virus wiped it out.

But in any case, she needs the computer to find a job and cant afford a new one right now.

So my question is, since its been so long since I worked with Win98, what available(read: free) options are there for getting either Win98 installed by floppy, or getting this CD-ROM drive to work?

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 Post subject: Re: Problem with old computer
PostPosted: Wed Jun 30, 2004 1:04 pm 
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SomeGuy wrote:
Cx6x86-P150+ CPU
120 MHz
24x Creative CD-ROM
250MB (?) HDD thats on its way out
Win98 (non-SE I think)

It's my half-sister's. It stopped loading windows, without a floppy in it, it says:
Drive Not Ready
Insert BOOT diskette in A:
Press any key when ready_

So I got a Win98 bootdisk off bootdisk.com, and I cant get the CD-ROM drivers to load.

I check the C:\ directory and no system files appear to be installed.
I figure some sort of virus wiped it out.

But in any case, she needs the computer to find a job and cant afford a new one right now.

So my question is, since its been so long since I worked with Win98, what available(read: free) options are there for getting either Win98 installed by floppy, or getting this CD-ROM drive to work?

Thanks


Do you know what kind of CD rom it is?

You could put the driver on floppy and install it on floppy boot up. I remember do this. it was a pain, but it worked. I had to write an autoexec.bat file

There was also a way to put the win 98 cd on floppy at one point - google for a utility. I think the cab files are just slightly to big without the utility.

I just thru-out all my 98 CD - but I did just find a 95 - do you have a 95 CD - it might be easier to move that to floppy un then get it going and upgrade to 98 - not sure. Look for the driver. If its an OEM recovery disk, it might even be on the disk (though often the name is changed).

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 30, 2004 1:09 pm 
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OK

I dug around some more, and I found what appears to be the setup directory on the C drive (folder called WIN98).

I ran the setup.exe and it started to run setup but gave me some odd error...I'll have to run it again in a little bit here, Im doing a scandisk.

The CD-ROM is a Creative 24x.
Which is what has me confused, it seems new enough that the universal CD-ROM drivers should work for it...


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 30, 2004 1:16 pm 
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Here's the error message:

Message SU0013

Setup cannot create files on your startup drive and cannot set up Windows 98.

If you have HPFS or NTFS, you must create an MS-DOS boot partition. If you have LANtastic server or SuperStor compression, disable it before running Setup. See Setup.txt on Setup Disk 1 or the Windows 98 compact disc.

Im pretty sure none of that stuff applies to this PC...any ideas?


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 30, 2004 2:28 pm 
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I don't think your problem is 98in reguards to the the Rom and Drive.

Have you poked through the bios and made sure that the boot order or the drive configuration isn't all fubar?

Just from what I remember, generally the SU error had to do with the CD itself not reading right or something screwy with the temp files.

I'd probably format the drive and copy the cabs over (preerably on a different machine), and run setup from there.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 30, 2004 2:31 pm 
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You can get a boot disk here:

http://freepctech.com/pc/002/files010.shtml

Get the win98se boot disk, it has cd-rom drivers on it.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 30, 2004 3:12 pm 
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she had to take it home (she says they need it for their internet...even if it isnt on, which I dont believe at all but they arent exactly computer illiterate so I just let her take it for peace of mind). Should be coming back this weekend.

To answer the last two replies:
I got the 98-SE bootdisk from bootdisk.com, which also had CD-ROM drivers on it, so I dont think another one is going to help, but I can try it when I get the computer back.

And no, I didnt get a chance to dig through the BIOS. Need to do that when it gets back to me.

Hopefully she can get some money and just buy a "new" one, even if its from ebay. I think this computer is just toast.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 30, 2004 9:31 pm 
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You may want to consider slapping one of your opticals in her rig long enough to get the installation completed. Cost friendly and if it works, saves on troubleshooting headaches.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 30, 2004 11:23 pm 
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One4yu2c wrote:
You may want to consider slapping one of your opticals in her rig long enough to get the installation completed. Cost friendly and if it works, saves on troubleshooting headaches.


eesh, I think Im too lazy to do that :P
We shall see what happens over the weekend. Gonna dink around with it and maybe some connector just happens to be loose enough to cause these problems.

Maybe a magical format will do the trick.

I'd rather not have to tear into one of our other systems if possible.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 01, 2004 7:22 am 
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SomeGuy wrote:
Here's the error message:

Message SU0013

Setup cannot create files on your startup drive and cannot set up Windows 98.

If you have HPFS or NTFS, you must create an MS-DOS boot partition. If you have LANtastic server or SuperStor compression, disable it before running Setup. See Setup.txt on Setup Disk 1 or the Windows 98 compact disc.

Im pretty sure none of that stuff applies to this PC...any ideas?


I don't know about win 98 - but I am betting this is exactly what would happen if I messed around with the NTloader/boot.ini in XP. Is there a 98 equivalent?

just a guess

Manta


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 01, 2004 8:45 am 
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SomeGuy wrote:
Maybe a magical format will do the trick.


That might be easier said then done though. I have this sneaking suspicion that the drives are somehow disconnected..either having the ribbon pulled or the IDE controller is shot.


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 Post subject: Re: Problem with old computer
PostPosted: Wed Jul 07, 2004 11:34 am 
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This may not be a feasible solution for you but...

Whenever I have hardware problems, I stick in a "LiveCD" such as Knoppix, Gnoppix, or GentooLive. Yes these are Linux distros, but they will autodetect hardware and basically give you a nice diagnosis of your rig.

Very friendly with legacy systems.

Here are some links:
http://www.knoppix.org/
http://www.gnoppix.org/
http://www.sysresccd.org/

I never tried http://www.sysresccd.org/ but it sounds pretty promising and with less fluff.

SomeGuy wrote:
Cx6x86-P150+ CPU
120 MHz
24x Creative CD-ROM
250MB (?) HDD thats on its way out
Win98 (non-SE I think)

It's my half-sister's. It stopped loading windows, without a floppy in it, it says:
Drive Not Ready
Insert BOOT diskette in A:
Press any key when ready_

So I got a Win98 bootdisk off bootdisk.com, and I cant get the CD-ROM drivers to load.

I check the C:\ directory and no system files appear to be installed.
I figure some sort of virus wiped it out.

But in any case, she needs the computer to find a job and cant afford a new one right now.

So my question is, since its been so long since I worked with Win98, what available(read: free) options are there for getting either Win98 installed by floppy, or getting this CD-ROM drive to work?

Thanks


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 08, 2004 11:05 am 
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Since it was win98, I'd find a bootable virus scanner. That SUS error sounds familiar, and I think the fix was cleaning off a virus.

Also, before you run setup, try FDISK /MBR and see if that helps.


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 Post subject: Re: Problem with old computer
PostPosted: Thu Jul 08, 2004 7:05 pm 
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SomeGuy wrote:
Cx6x86-P150+ CPU
120 MHz
24x Creative CD-ROM
250MB (?) HDD thats on its way out
Win98 (non-SE I think)

It's my half-sister's. It stopped loading windows, without a floppy in it, it says:
Drive Not Ready
Insert BOOT diskette in A:
Press any key when ready_

So I got a Win98 bootdisk off bootdisk.com, and I cant get the CD-ROM drivers to load.

I check the C:\ directory and no system files appear to be installed.
I figure some sort of virus wiped it out.

But in any case, she needs the computer to find a job and cant afford a new one right now.

So my question is, since its been so long since I worked with Win98, what available(read: free) options are there for getting either Win98 installed by floppy, or getting this CD-ROM drive to work?

Thanks


Have you gone into the BIOS and made sure that it recognizes the HDD. I have had situations at my work where cables have come loose inside the computer and reseating the connectors fixed the problem.

If you can get hold of one, try a separate HDD and just plug in the basics to get it into the system. See if it sees the other HDD. It could be a corrupted drive.


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 Post subject: donate it
PostPosted: Mon Jul 19, 2004 4:51 pm 
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donate it to a charity. Use tax break to get a new cheapie.


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