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 Post subject: Looking to compare old motherboards
PostPosted: Tue Jun 17, 2014 1:49 pm 
Little Foot
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I am trying to compare two socket 775 MB's. I have been on two MB comparison web sites and I am able to find the one MB I am looking at purchasing no problem, it's the ASUS P5N-D LGA775 Nvidia 750i DDR2-800 ATX Motherboard. The motherboard I am replacing is the issue. It is a IntelĀ® Q965 (ICH8) Express Chipset from a Dell Optiplex 745 mid tower. When I do a search for the Q965 chipset I get like 9 boards but they are all micro ATX boards, the board I have is not a micro ATX board but a regular ATX board that fits perfectly into the Optiplex 745 mid tower it comes with.

I was able to find limited info on the Dell board (mainly from their website) but I am specifically looking to compare the two MB's in a side by side comparison.

I have another question regarding the ASUS board I may be upgrading to. In the specifications it says the baord supports "1333/1066/800 MHz FSB speeds". But I have the best cpu (the Q6700, 2.66ghz quad core) I can get for the 775 chipset, at least I believe I do. The quad core cpu I have uses a 1066 mhz FSB. Is there a better cpu with a higher bus speed for the 775 chipset?


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 Post subject: Re: Looking to compare old motherboards
PostPosted: Tue Jun 17, 2014 3:10 pm 
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When long dead sockets are still made the last of the boards are u-ATX because they will fit in ATX cases, but ATX MBs are too big for u-ATX cases. Law of numbers.
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When I try to find out such things I look at the tech specs, Google Image and eBay sales sites. You can almost always figure out what chips were used by looking at the drivers.

Sometimes you strike gold.

I am concerned this is a micro-BTX MB. BTW a Dell Mini-Tower were all up to 4 slot micro-ATX/BTX MBs not ATX. That is why they called them mini.

http://www.dell.com/us/dfb/p/optiplex-745/pd

http://www.dell.com/support/home/us/en/ ... iplex-745/

ftp://ftp.dell.com/Manuals/all-products ... _en-us.pdf

ftp://ftp.dell.com/Manuals/all-products ... _en-us.pdf

http://www.dell.com/downloads/global/pr ... hspecs.pdf

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6883155386


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 Post subject: Re: Looking to compare old motherboards
PostPosted: Tue Jun 17, 2014 6:46 pm 
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q6700 for sure is not the best cpu for that socket, I still run a 775 board (asus maximus formula) and I am running a q9550 1333 I would check asus and see if a bios update will let you use a better cpu. I think a 9650 was the last made. there are EE editions available up to QX9770s they run about 200.00. check ebay that is where I got mine. I was bundled with an x38 board for under 200 the 9550s are going for a little upwards of 80.00 the 9650s approach 150.00 to 200.00


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 Post subject: Re: Looking to compare old motherboards
PostPosted: Tue Jun 17, 2014 8:33 pm 
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This message was corrected and resubmitted below


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 Post subject: Re: Looking to compare old motherboards
PostPosted: Tue Jun 17, 2014 9:02 pm 
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g.m.waters (red ranger3) wrote:
q6700 for sure is not the best cpu for that socket, I still run a 775 board (asus maximus formula) and I am running a q9550 1333 I would check asus and see if a bios update will let you use a better cpu. I think a 9650 was the last made. there are EE editions available up to QX9770s they run about 200.00. check ebay that is where I got mine. I was bundled with an x38 board for under 200 the 9550s are going for a little upwards of 80.00 the 9650s approach 150.00 to 200.00


This is odd because I did a search for 775 cpus on amazon and the best it came up with was the Q6700.
I found a 9650 for $109 used. I am not sure if that is even worth it at this point as I have mentioned I am trying to build a new system, it is essentially my own dream machine.


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 Post subject: Re: Looking to compare old motherboards
PostPosted: Wed Jun 18, 2014 5:52 am 
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FascistNation wrote:
When long dead sockets are still made the last of the boards are u-ATX because they will fit in ATX cases, but ATX MBs are too big for u-ATX cases. Law of numbers.
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When I try to find out such things I look at the tech specs, Google Image and eBay sales sites. You can almost always figure out what chips were used by looking at the drivers.

Sometimes you strike gold.

I am concerned this is a micro-BTX MB. BTW a Dell Mini-Tower were all up to 4 slot micro-ATX/BTX MBs not ATX. That is why they called them mini.



I don't believe this is a micro ATX board (though I am not sure what BTX is) This board has 8gb (4 strips) of the 800mhz ram, I believe non of the dell micro atx boards could support the 800 mhz ram, much less 4 strips of it. This is the link to the specs from the dell website http://www.dell.com/downloads/global/pr ... hspecs.pdf
It does say it is a mini tower, but it is pretty much the same size as the other mid tower I have here. Maybe you could help me out with identifying this board as I need to replace the MB and I was thinking of using the ASUS board I posted above. I did note one problem. The board I have is backwards. So I am not sure how the other board will fit in my case.

Bruce
EDIT: it is a BTX board as per tech support from dell. So I guess that means I need to get a new case also, man I keep setting my new system build further and further back.

Does anyone have a good recommendation for a mid tower case? I can get the Antec Three Hundred Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case for $45 through Newegg right now (with a $10 gift card). Any other good cases at a cheaper price?


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 Post subject: Re: Looking to compare old motherboards
PostPosted: Wed Jun 18, 2014 7:20 am 
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Madmaxneo wrote:
....I keep setting my new system build further and further back.

Does anyone have a good recommendation for a mid tower case? ....

"New" is in the vernacular of the writer, I guess. You will be very limited in the MB's available for socket 775. They will likely have been manufactured some time ago and aging in a warehouse. Since such MBs frequently are lined with electrolytic caps ... well, it is your money but yes it can add up quickly.

With the mid-tower identifying the board is not an issue. Any socket 775 micro-ATX or ATX MB should work provided it supports DDR2 RAM.

The slots I was referring to above were expansion slots, not memory slots. Again, with the new case no longer an issue.

The real problem will be finding a new MB as darned few new ones are remaining. Assuming you would like to go 64-bit OS, I'd look for one supporting 4 DDR2 slots for an easy 8Gb. Also, the cost of adding some combination to get 8Gb of DDR2 assuming you are not already running that much may cost as much as adding a 2 x 4Gb DDR3, meaning you could go after [url=http://www.newegg.com/Product/Productcompare.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100007627%20600007879&IsNodeId=1&bop=And&CompareItemList=280|13-128-536^13-128-536-TS%2C13-157-359^13-157-359-TS&percm=13-128-536%3A%24%24%24%24%24%24%24%3B13-157-337%3A%24%24%24%24%24%24%24%3B13-157-359%3A%24%24%24%24%24%24%24%3B13-157-338%3A%24%24%24%24%24%24%24]a 775 MB that runs DDR3[/url] instead for the same price. Just $aying....

Amazon is a good source of recent discontinued cases at a good price---especially if you are an Amazon Prime customer and get free shipping. Craigslist for local used. eBay for other used.


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 Post subject: Re: Looking to compare old motherboards
PostPosted: Wed Jun 18, 2014 7:40 am 
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Honestly, just get something brand new. The new Haswell Pentiums came out, the ones that are unlocked. They will eat anything from the Core 2 lineup with ease for a low price of $75. Pair it with a $100 Z97 board (so you can at least overclock it if you want) and call it a day.

Unless you have a damn good reason to stick to older hardware, there's no reason to clutch onto it and try to upgrade just that.


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 Post subject: Re: Looking to compare old motherboards
PostPosted: Wed Jun 18, 2014 7:49 am 
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I think he just wants this one on life support until his new rig gets built. Still, it's not worth putting much money into a system you plan on retiring soon. I'd maybe look at just getting a similar used Dell board off fleabay.


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 Post subject: Re: Looking to compare old motherboards
PostPosted: Wed Jun 18, 2014 7:52 am 
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If that's the case, I wouldn't recommend putting any money into the computer unless a component needs to be replaced.


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 Post subject: Re: Looking to compare old motherboards
PostPosted: Wed Jun 18, 2014 8:08 am 
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In answer to an initial OP question, the Q6700 was an excellent CPU in its day and essentially the fastest in its class though there were several releases of CPUs in the same family that were faster. I included the QX6850 as the fastest example. I also included the new Pentium G3420 for perspective and as a nod to LatiosXT. The Pentium G3420 has slightly better performance than the Q6700. Though with only two cores it would likely lose in a video rendering contest with the quad core 6700.

http://ark.Intel.com/compare/77775,30790,30789

So if it is a simple repair replacement MB (and case) then the costs (probably well under $150 after the dust settles) might be justified. It would be an improved system with the newer MB chipset, features and case.


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 Post subject: Re: Looking to compare old motherboards
PostPosted: Wed Jun 18, 2014 8:20 am 
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FascistNation wrote:
Though with only two cores it would likely lose in a video rendering contest with the quad core 6700.

The G3258 can go toe-to-toe with an Athlon X4 750K and can beat an i3-4330 when overclocked (which apparently can get to 4.6GHz comfortably). You could almost compare the G3258 to the Mendocino Celeron that smoked the Pentium II it was supposed to be the budget version of.


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 Post subject: Re: Looking to compare old motherboards
PostPosted: Wed Jun 18, 2014 9:00 am 
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To be honest I think I do need to replace the motherboard in this system as I have been having an odd "stutter" problem that comes and goes (I have another topic related
to this "Stutter Problem" on these forums somewhere). I have replaced everything in this rig except for the MB (I even upgraded/re-installed my OS to 64 bit). Hence the reason for this topic. This system will still be used if not only for when my grand nephew comes to visit but also as a back up system.

I could get a used QX6850 for about $145 on ebay (there is cheaper for about $105 but it's shipped from china and I have had issues with that before). On the other hand I found this really awesome combo deal on ebay for $400, an ASUS Striker II NSE 775 Motherboard Intel QX9770 Extreme 4GB Kingston HyperX. That comes with everything on the MB (though I would use my RAM instead). But both those are a little steep for me on this old rig for now.
I do need your opinions on a few cases. Here they are:
The Antec 300 which I can get for $45 with a $10 gift card: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129042&nm_mc=EMC-IGNEFL061714&cm_mmc=EMC-IGNEFL061714-_-EMC-061714-Index-_-ComputerCases-_-11129042-L0B
A Rosewill case: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B004A9XB6W/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_img?_encoding=UTF8&colid=2KY2ZR2KESYME&coliid=I25NPHR5TVDNCX
A Sentey case: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00FL2JOY0/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_S_img?_encoding=UTF8&colid=2KY2ZR2KESYME&coliid=I1BDFS3SK9X4OV

If anyone know of any better deals please let me know. I believe I also need better airflow than what this Dell case offers.

BTW, thanks for the great help so far, especially with identifying my MB as a BTX board. Does the "B" stand for backwards?....lol

Bruce

EDIT: I can go a little higher on the price but not much. I did find the newer version of the ANTEC 300 case on Newegg http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129066, but it will be $72 after shipping.... so not sure if it is worth the price difference.
EDIT 2: I actually think I am in love, with this case:http://www.amazon.com/ANTEC-Power-Supply-Tower-GX700/dp/B00AW68H6G/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1403111300&sr=8-2&keywords=Antec+Mid+Tower+Computer+Case


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