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 Post subject: Replacing seven year old system for video editing.
PostPosted: Tue Feb 11, 2014 1:04 pm 
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Hi all,
It's been a few years since I posted, I built a system back in 2007, and had heating issues with my Q6600 2.4GHz CPU. Over the years, the memory has changed to the DDR3, since I installed DDR2, The Intel CPU's went from Q6600, to Sandy,to Ivy, to Haswell, i3, i5, i7's, and GPU's and motherboards have changed to cater to gaming enthusiasts.
I am not a gamer, nor have I ever took the chance overclocking (back then many peeps had mobo blowouts from this, and I never wanted to take that chance,after spending $1200.00+ to build my last rig.
That said, I am doing more video-editing for hobby, not pro, so this time, I don't want to spend oodles of money,. that I do not have.

This was my last and current build:
WIN7 PRO (64)
MSI Platinum P-35 Mobo /
CoolerMaster ATX 690 / Intel Q6600 2.4GHz/
8GB DDR2 RAM / Nvidia GeForce 8600GT - 512 /DDR2/128Bit/HDCP capable /
PSU-700w Thermaltake ATX 12V,2.2&EPS 14cm fan /
Case fans- 1 Exhaust Fan - 4 fans cooler fans / Zalman CPU FAN
74GB Raptor boot HD (already filling up with Apps., and Studio Project files, but I move each finished project over to my Internal 3TB Western Digital HD.)
WD 3TB Internal HD Western Digital
WD 500GB Internal HD
20" Viewsonic Monitor Screen res. 1280 x 960 WideScreen

I use Photoshop CS6, (3D)and PINNACLE STUDIO 15 HD.
I also bought a Canon SX50 Camera to shoot Full HD 1920x1080, output to MPEG2 to DVD/Bluray
MOBO-
I have had no issues with my MSI, so I would like to stay with them, I have to further research max memory,and HDMI, but I was looking at these:
MSI Z87-G45 1150 (Max. Ram DDR3 32GB) I'll start with 8GB 1600.
MSI Z87-G43
MSI Z87-G41 1150
MSI Mpower 1150
GPU-
I was told all I need is the MSI N650-MDI GD5/OC GTX-650, with either 1GB, or 2GB.
OR GTX 650 Ti with 2GB. I was going for the 700 Series, but they tell me the 650 is all i need.
CPU cooling fan-
I have the Zalman CPU cooler, and wondered if i should keep, or replace with something like
Coolermaster Hyper 212 EVO, or something else(?)
PSU-
I've been told that my Thermaltake 700w PSU was way too high,(and also not very dependable unit) and all I need now is either a 500w to 550 watt. recommended: Seasonic G-Series SSR-550RM 500w.(86.00 Amazon) OR XFX Core Edition Pro550w (70.00)
HDD Drives or SSD Drives-
I originally chose the 7200 WD Raptor for fast speed up apps, but now peeps are telling me to get at least a 120SSD for faster boot, which will leave me with a 74GB,3TB,500GB, and External 500GB, and Seagate 2TB for storage...Do I really need a Solid state?
CPU-
Now the ever so important question of the day...
I always thought bigger and faster is better, so I thought I would jump from my Q6600 Qaud Core2 2.4GHz, to a i7-4770 (K) Haswell 3.4, or 3.5 CPU...Now I'm getting peeps telling me that Pinnacle Studio does not benefit from Hyper-Threading, which the i7 does, so all I really need is a i5-4670 4th Gen/3.4GHz / OR i5-4670K 3.5GHz. Will I be sorry getting the i5, or should I spend the extra money to get the i7? BTW..What does the "K" mean after the i5,i7? Is it the jump from a 3.4 to a 3.5 GHZ?
MONITOR-
Here's another dilemma. I have an old 20" Viewsonic, abeit, it's only 1280x960, and the suggestion is for me, is to get a full 1980x1080 HD screen, so I can actually see what the HD output looks like for my video projects, as far as color correcting, etc. I think I can wait on that investment. It will never have anything to do with my video ouput anyway, so I think. it's only a display.
So in closing, does it matter that I buy a Gaming board, and gaming GPU, if all I'm doing is having a standard desktop for basic Office, Email,Photoshop, and rendering HD using Pinnacle Studio 15 HD?
Micro Center and Fry's are both reasonably close to me, and then the online, TigerDirect, and Newegg stores, so now I'm in a search for the best deals. Maybe a Combo CPU/Mobo might be cheaper.
Fry's currently has the Intel i7-4770 and MSI Z87-G45, after rebates, $414.00.
Micro center has a MSI Z87-G41 PC Mate and i7 4770K 3.5GHz, I think for $329.00.
It would be so nice to keep my hard drives, except change out my raptor with a larger size, either a 7200rpm,10,000rpm, or SSD, the Zalman CPU cooler, My 700w PSU, My Monitor, my case fans (which they also told me to replace) and my CoolerMaster 690 case.

When I speak of other's recommendations for products to me, I'm speaking about the Other Forums that I also subscribe to. This all is somewhat daunting trying to get the best Mobo. I do like MSI, but I'm sure,based on personal preference, the 'Gigabyte', 'MSI', 'EVGA', and 'Asus' are also good boards. I have no experience with those.

Thank you for reading my thread, and if your in the same boat with playing with Video, making DVD's for family and friends,and need the right hardware to accomplish this without going broke, then please, give me your two cents, I would appreciate it! :-)


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 Post subject: Re: Replacing six year old system for video editing.
PostPosted: Tue Feb 11, 2014 2:49 pm 
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You don't need a high-end motherboard. Just buy the cheapest model that fits your I/O needs.

Regarding the processor, if your programs take advantage of Intel's QuickSync, stick with an i5. Even if the program takes advantage of HyperThreading, it's not a a whole lot better. Otherwise consider AMD's FX-8350. Video editing and encoding is more heavily reliant on how many cores you have than per-core performance alone.

If you're not going to game, just get something cheap or use the integrated GPU.

As for the PSU, get the Seasonic one, they have one of the best reputations.

I would recommend getting an SSD, as it's a very noticeable improvement to system responsiveness.

If you're getting a new monitor, I highly recommend getting an IPS panel. Once you start going over 21", TN panel color shifting is noticeable even if you're at the proper viewing angle.


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 Post subject: Re: Replacing six year old system for video editing.
PostPosted: Wed Feb 12, 2014 9:06 pm 
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RETHINKING THIS REPLACEMENT PC~
To reiterate, again, I am not a gamer, nor do I Over Clock, but I DO use Pinnacle Studio 15 HD Ultimate, and Photoshop CS5 (3D), and I do not use these professionally, just for family and friends, and burn the output to MPEG2. So I am not looking to spend thousands of dollars, but I do need to replace my current system:
MSI P-35 Mobo,DDR2-8GB,Geforce 8600GT, 128 bit 512MB, 700w Thermaltake PSU, and Intel Q6600 2.4 Quad CPU. people are now telling me that the 700W PSU was an overkill from the beginning and now all I really need a 550W. I also have a 20" Viewsonic 1280x960, I have heard that I should replace this with an HD 24" ACER GD235HZ, 1280x1080, for video playback, but again, I am not a professional that really needs to see video color and output for clients, that I'll never have...so to save a little money now by keeping my present monitor.... maybe after the upgrade, maybe i will change it out.
Up until this morning, I was going to upgrade my 7 year old desktop with the following:
Z87-G43 LGA1150 Mobo / i5 4670K/ PC DDR3 1600 16 GB / 16GB DDR3 / GPU- Geforce GTX--650 / and keep my 700W..and hope for the best! ...
...But after talking to Micro Center, the guy tells me to get this instead:
GPU- R9260 AMD / ASUS X79 LGA 2011 Quad channel is faster than dual / 4th GEN. i7 4820K / Zalman 9000 CPU heatsink cooler, or Zalman CNPS9500A LED Universal CPU Cooler / Two SSD's, one 120GB for SCRATCH DISKS,, and the second for PRIMARY (APPS) and use my regular WD 500GB, and 2TB HD'S for storage / and Over Clock the Bios, not motherboard.
I also have my original CoolerMaster 690 case, and all the five internal case fans. he said that a 7 year old PSU may fail, so get a new one.
I never had a solid state drive, so I don't know what he meant by installing a SCRATCH DRIVE, and also a PRIMARY DRIVE, (don't think he meant to partition one SSD)
Video Files eat up a lot of hard drive space and Photoshop utilizes tons of scratch disc space, so maybe that's why he told me to get the two SSD's. Salesman techie dude also said that the scratch SSD only lasts a few years, maybe four or five, but the speed is what I gain.

He added, this system should last far longer than my seven year build. Plenty of room to upgrade in the future.
Would the AMD R900 series at almost $330.00, be better than the R700 series? maybe I can find it cheaper elsewhere.
Thank you for any suggestions, whether this seems like a solid build, or overkill?
Microcenter has the COMBO i7 4th,4820K, along with the Asus X79 2011 PRO both for $534.98.

_____________________UPDATE____________________

Choices between i7 3rd G IVY 4820, and i7 4th G Haswell ?

I contacted ASUS today and asked about the 3rd gen IVY vs., 4th gen Haswell CPU's..

He said,
"The 4820K does allow for quad channel memory, which is faster FSB.
As does the P9X79 Pro:
8 x DIMM, Max. 64GB, DDR3 2400(O.C.)/2133(O.C.)/1866/1600/1333/1066 MHz Non-ECC, Un-buffered Memory
Quad Channel Memory Architecture
I would definitely go with the LGA 2011 (4820) if I had the choice.

Would I be limited using a 3rd gen CPU with any of my other hardware or software?

Upgrading to: i7, WIN7 PRO(64), 16GB DDR3 PC1600, a good GPU, like the AMD R9260.

Now I read that Intel is coning out with the 4th gen CPU's (e) Series...Can't win!


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 Post subject: Re: Replacing six year old system for video editing.
PostPosted: Thu Feb 13, 2014 12:05 pm 
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Eh, sounds like the guy was trying to make you spend more money.

  • The X79 platform is a hefty buy-in. I'm probably outdated on this, but boards rarely go under $200, plus the RAM requirement which puts you at least at $150. And the i7-4820K goes toe-to-toe with the i7-4770K (http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu ... Hz&id=2030 and http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/co ... ew,10.html). So going with the Z87 platform saves you around $100-$120 right off the bat.
  • A lot of benchmarks regarding memory performance show that you get little performance improvement the better your RAM performs. The one thing it does help though is integrated graphics.
  • Zalman coolers are pretty expensive for their performance. A Cooler Master Evo 212 would work just as well, though it does require a roomy case.
  • Scratch drive is probably where you'd temporarily save things. But the thing is, and I'm just going with my own experience, the medium where you save your files doesn't do jack squat to encoding performance. I had a i5-4670K topping out at 4.0GHz encoding an assortment of videos on a slow 5400RPM HDD and a RAM Disk and it had the same performance. Photoshop is a RAM hog though, and it's likely your video editor is as well.
  • Don't get a high-performance GPU unless you are gaming (which you aren't) or if your program actually supports GPU acceleration and your time is worth more than platinum.


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 Post subject: Re: Replacing six year old system for video editing.
PostPosted: Thu Feb 13, 2014 2:27 pm 
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Food for thought....

For video editing, i7-4930k 6-core/12-thread CPU will get you the best editing bang for your buck IMO. Yes, it's going to be a bigger up-front cost, but for that cost, you can reach greater than 1:1 speeds encoding in 1080p content, depending on your editing / encoding / quality settings, and system config.

By 1:1 I mean a 10 minute 1080p clip will take 10 minutes to encode - best I've seen on my i7-3930k for 1080p content was about 1.4:1 or 14 minute clip encoded in 10 minutes, but that was also with the CPU overclocked to 4.4GHz, & with lower bit-rate content to start with.


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 Post subject: Re: Replacing six year old system for video editing.
PostPosted: Sat Feb 15, 2014 7:55 am 
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A microcenter or other store employ is already biased when they give you their opinion. They get commission on the big ticket items like CPU, mobo, cases, etc.

Like mentioned above, video encoding is mainly CPU intensive so that is where you should focus on. A mid level GPU may be helpful but high-end is defiantly not required. Get the Mobo that has all the input/outputs you need like USB3, Firewire, eSATA, etc. Don't just pick the top of the line.

An SSD is only good for speeding up how fast a program loads or to speed up your OS boot time. You only need a single SSD, maybe 120gb or 240gb. Seems like you will be reusing your HDDs, which shouldn't be a problem if they pass the diagnostic tests.

RAM is important since the programs you use will use it heavily. So consider a mobo with enough RAM slots and capacity for future upgrades.


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 Post subject: Re: Replacing six year old system for video editing.
PostPosted: Sat Feb 15, 2014 2:36 pm 
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Would have posted this with my other post, but with my CCNA classes, I'm tight for time between study & class.

My editing rig build recommendation:
AsRock X79 Extreme6 motherboard ~$225
Intel Core i7-4930K Ivy Bridge-E 6-core / 12-thread CPU ~$570
Cruxial Ballistix Tactical 8GB (2x4GB) 1.35V low profile DDR3 1600 kit x2 to utilize the quad-channel support of the X79 chipset. ~$200
Samsung 840 EVO 250GB SSD ~$156
Gigabyte WindForce 3X GTX 760 2GB GPU ~$265 - Gigabyte's triple fan design helps to reduce noise while increasing cooling efficiency - but double check with Pinnacle to see what hardware accelerations they support.
Seasonic SS-660XP2 660 Watt PSU ~$162

About $1580 with basic shipping option - but because of the added $$$, I only recommend going this route if you're pressed for time, and/or editing & encoding more than a couple hours of video a week.

I'm not familiar with Pinnacle's software, but I know Premiere Pro CS6 & later uses GPU to enable real-time editing (don't have to wait for the CPU to cache to see the effect/edit), as well as for some parts of the encoding, both of which are helped by the better GPU. If Pinnacle cannot utilize much GPU power, then the 650 as mentioned would be fine.

Additional components of your choosing.

If you might want to overclock the CPU for added encoding performance, then I highly recommend
Corsair Carbide Air 540 case ~$147 The case is a monster, but is exceptionally efficient when it comes to cooling.
NZXT Kraken X60 CPU cooler ~$120 much better than the H100i by 8C on my 3930k @ 4.4Ghz while encoding 1080p video.

Check out that Guru-3D link LatiosXT posted, the FryBench & CineBench 11.5 scores directly correlate to video encoding performance, as all 3 (FryBench, CineBench, & video encoding) take maximum advantage of all available threads - those 4 extra threads in the 4930K really make a difference. Though they show a 4960X the 4930K is only about 5% - 10% behind at stock, and can be faster than a (stock)4960X when overclocked.


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 Post subject: Re: Replacing six year old system for video editing.
PostPosted: Sat Feb 15, 2014 4:56 pm 
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I guess at this point it really boils down to how much is your time worth. Honestly if this is a sort of hobby thing, I would aim more for what gets you the most bang for your buck. If this is semi-pro, commissioned based, or whatever (i.e., you're making money), then I would aim for more for pure performance.


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 Post subject: Re: Replacing seven year old system for video editing.
PostPosted: Sun Feb 16, 2014 1:59 pm 
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Thank you all for chiming in with your suggestions.
I will re-read all replies and will take under advisement, Thanks!
How can I have a headache, if I have no brains????

My MSI Platinum has been issue-free for seven years, and seems to be a stable board for me, IF...only I could find a replacement Mobo that does not have all the Gaming, and Overclocking features that I will never use. Personal preference....some think MSI is trash, some think ASUS is superior to most, Unless someone can tell me lots of cons to not buy a MSI board, I will stay with them. Then again, What a gigabyte?

Since it's been seven years since my last build, there are too many choices picking out the right MOBO/CPU/GPU Combo, in which I do not personally over-clock, or game, although most I've seen are mostly made for "GAMING", and have "OVER-CLOCKING" capabilities. So I guess whether I want it or not, I'll have to pick one, since I do not want to buy an already pre-loaded generic brand, nor can I afford a "CUSTOM", made to order PC. As long as I have HDMI, and PCIe-16x, Max. 32GB DDR3 (1600)

MSI suggested I go with the MSI Z87-MPOWER BOARD. (ASUS is especially known for building Gaming/OC Boards) Some have suggested the ASUS X79 PRO, and SABERTOOTH models, which for me, are way too much overkill. So, it's either the Mpower,or Z87-G43, or 45.

At this point, I want to save some money by simply getting the Haswell 4770, 3.4GHz, without the 'K', since I want to remain using the stock board speed. (Saved about $30.00+)

I don't fault the guy from Microcenter for trying to get me to buy more over the top components, to up his commission. he suggested this:
The ASUS P9x79 PRO 2011, at $270.00, (Was bundled at Microcenter with the i7 4820 Quad Channel $300.00. FOR $535.00)

I'm kicking around this, although I mind is not completely made up:
1) MOBO - ATX
MSI Z87-G45 with the 1150 LGA Socket (Dual Channel) $145.00 (MAX.32 GB)
(NOT SURE IF I CAN AFFORD THE QUAD CHANNEL, or stick with the DUAL.
2) CPU -
i7 4th G. 4770 3.4 Haswell (no 'K', no need overclocking) $280.00
3) MEMORY -
Crucial DDR3 XM53 (2x8GB) 16GB of 1600hz memory (Board max. is 32GB) $160.00
(Dual or Quad channel, don't know yet) (I don't think I need more than 32GB)
4) PSU-
Replace my 7 yr. old Thermaltake 700W PSU, with either the ANTEC VP550F G-
Series SSR-550 RM $60.00, OR... CM Coolermaster Elite V2 550W $60.00.
I have been told that 700W was way overkill, and I would simply need between a
500w-550w.
5) GPU-
MSI N650-MDI/OC GTX650 2GB ($130.00) OR
ASUS GTX650 Ti GDDR5 2GB ($162.00)
6) Keeping my CM Coolermaster 690 ATX case, since it's roomy enough and I installed five
additional fans. (fingers crossed, that the power button won't fail anytime soon)
7) CPU HEATSINK FAN -
Coolermaster EVO 212 Fry's $35.00/ Microcenter $30.00 OR
ZALMAN CNPS9500A LED Universal -Newegg - $40.00.
8) Some type of Combo DVD/CD/BD Writer/Reader

9) HARD DRIVES - All this talk about the SSD'S, and their short-lived longevity?? You know how problematic, time consuming, and frustrating it is when you have to format/wipe an old or new drive, and spend hours RE-installing the O.S., Hardware, Programs/Applications, Update 64 Bit Drivers, .....Well, who wants to do this every few years, then only to replace the more expensive SSD's all over again. I think this time around, I'll buy a faster 250GB (10,000rpms) than the standard (72,000rpms) HHD to boot applications, and have it last longer, regardless of how speedy they seem to be. Besides, I have no problems with my present WD 74GB Raptor, other than now, even with no video content on it, just the bare programs, and the Win7 64 Bit O.S., now has a dangerously small 5.5GB left on this drive, so with Win7, I've tried deleting useless files, run disk cleaner, deleted unwanted programs that take up HD space to make more room, but, it's almost full anyway, so I will not do any more video editing until I change over to the new build.

Now that I will have the
(1) 250GB HDD, (BOOT) 10,000 rpms Load/Unload cycles ($90.00) Newegg
(2) 74GB Raptor HDD, (Storage) 72,000 rpms
(3) 2TB WD HDD, (Storage) 72,000 rpms
(4) 500GB HDD, (Storage) 72,000 rpms
TWO ADDITIONAL EXTERNAL HDDs (5) SEAGATE 3TB HDD, (6) WD 500GB HDD

With all of this, would I still need only a 500-550W PSU?
The consensus from others, is to either keep using the existing 700w, ( 7 year old Thermaltake) until it dies, or replace the PSU every time you do a rebuild. If I sell it, would anyone want it?
I thought with the GPU, the i7, and all the HDD's, I would need more power than 500W/550W. (ATX)

Whatever I upgrade with, will no doubt be a dramatic change from what I have now, from seven years ago. And since I am an video enthusiast that dabbles with Pinnacle Studio HD, and Photoshop CS5 with 3D, I would like to get a board that I may upgrade later on, with an CPU upgrade, and maybe more memory, but it is not a deal breaker if I get a board that does not.

And wouldn't you know it, The DDR4 is coming out soon.....I'm still using DDR2!


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 17, 2014 8:44 pm 
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The Hyper 212 Evo over any Zalman any day

IMO Gigabyte & AsRock make far better boards than MSI & ASUS, but that's only my personal experience with those brands & not all boards are going to be great for everyone.

Unless you're going to be editing multiple 4GB files into one compilation, or compiling 20+ minute Blu-Ray encodings, you won't need more than 16GB, and even if you do, you don't gain a lot from doubling to 32GB until you start closing in on the hour run-time mark. Now if you're working with 4K content that's probably a whole different story, and really would need an X79 & 6-Core i7 or even an 8-Core Xeon & up to 64GB depending on end-usage of the videos, but that's really getting up into the professional studio range.

Blu-Ray burner/combo drive http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6827136269 LG 14x SATA - I have this exact one in my editing rig, really nice drive IMO, or for $7 more there's a 16x version out now http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6827136269

RE:SSD's There are Samsung 830 and Intel X25-V that have been running extreme non-stop endurance write testing for years hitting well over 1,000TB of written data, that's an equivalent to more than 50GB per day for 71 years.... Knock-on-wood.... so far I've been far happier with SSD's than I've been with HDD's. Faster, lower power consumption, and depending on brand, more reliable than HDD's even if they are still quite high in $$$/GB for the good ones. Most of the new models are rated for a minimum 2000 write cycles, even with a 120GB drive, that's 120GB of written data every day for 5 straight years. Just a couple years ago, that number was 1000 for the most expensive models like the Intel X25-V & Samsung 830's while most were in the 500-750 write range. At least one Samsung 830 256GB SSD crushed past its rated write mark hitting over 6,000TiB of writes http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/sho ... nm-Vs-34nm


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 18, 2014 1:37 pm 
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I disagree with the others. I agree with what you have been told. You are a long term PC user. You are interested in video editing. It is true that most of the editing will be done by the CPU so quad core is a must. For the software you use and your budget I would definitely want an i7 as hyperthreading is supported. The GPU does much less BUT it is definitely growing in what is passed off for parallel processing (still mainly playback but more functions are added in CS6 and that is continuing in the online version).

Frankly, I'd want a K-series and do a stable OC.

The 650Ti with 2Gb DDR5 is a great choice as it supports CUDA 3.0 and OpenCL 4.3. I'd select a OC'd version usually a similar price and guaranteed to run at preset speed.

8Gb with the option to go to 32 is good thinking. I would grab 1,600 or 1,866 MHz with the lowest CAS number that wasn't completely whacked pricewise. The only downside to a 2 x 4Gb arrangement is tossing the sticks if you go for 32Gb. An single 8Gb stick or 2 x 8Gb might be better.

Might consider a small Samsung EVO SSD for a scratch drive.

I think that is it. You could likely do fine on a quality 400W PSU. But for price per quality watt consider a Seasonic S12II 620W.


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 18, 2014 8:16 pm 
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My Budget is about 700.00, or less. This is a skeleton list of potential parts, so I will take all of the previous suggestions to heart, nothing is concrete, just fine-tuning. I'm just going to go with the G41 on a LGA 1150 Socket, because anything is faster and better than my P35/Q6600 2.4/8GB DDR2.

Boy, did I ever get a lot of suggestions on which parts I would need for a new rebuild, according to your own personal experiences, but I have to decide and get down to it.
I thank you all! I'm not really out of the woods yet, getting these parts is one side of the coin, now I have to install and make it all work, flawlessly, I'm hoping!

Don't laugh, and since I am still somewhat of a newbie, this will be my 2nd build) So if there are any good tutorials on self building a computer, I welcome that, since it has been seven years and I may be rusty.

So I'll need to know exactly when to install the OS, Hard drive, (maybe boot drive first alone,) then install other storage HDD'S, then comes the MoBo Utilities, Software, Drivers, ETC., and so forth....I don't build everyday, so one little mistake can ruin everything.

To save money, I'm going to BUY these components:
(1) Z87-G41 & Intel i7 4770K (even though I do not overclock, or game) COMBO @ Micro center for $290.00.
(2) CPU Heatsink - Artic Freezer- $24.99 (newegg) OR Zalman CNP52X 80mm Aluminum and Copper heatsink, (copper for better cooling) for $28.99 (newegg)
(3) Crucial 120GB SSD for O.S. / Programs OR Samsung 256GB SSD for O.S. / Programs.
(4) Corsair/Kingston 8GB DDR3 (1600Hz) PC12800 (some say the 1866, not much different)

AND WILL BE KEEPING MY PRESENT DEVICES FOR NEW BUILD.....
(1) ATX CASE, Cooler Master cm690, (I'll need 3.5" front Slot for USB/eSata/Audio/Mic/headphone header (present case has old 2.0 USB's/esata/firewire)
(2) Use the onboard i7's IGP, for 4600 HD Video Editing, or if that doesn't work, maybe get 2GB GeForce GTX-650Ti GPU, but been told that this 4600 HD IGP, is as good as my old 8600GT GPU, I don't game, so it should not matter as much.
In fact, in a pinch, my Geforce 8600GT should also work with my G41, for the time being, since I do not play video games.
(3) And for internal storage, keeping my old WD74GB Raptor,10,000rpms, WD 2TB 72,000rpms, and WD500GB 72,000rpms.
(4) Use the Onboard Realtek HD Audio.

(5) Thermatake 700W ( It's six years old, and going strong, BUT.... if this old PSU is not certified to work on a LGA 1150 Board...Pins might not work, and not support Quad core CPU, then I'll have to replace.
I can't think of anything else at the moment, so I would imagine this will be sufficient.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 19, 2014 4:08 pm 
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My last build was about 7 years ago.... I am old school when it comes to the newer than seven year ago technology, so forgive me with the following questions, since I have forgotten the protocol as to what to install in order, but first;

I am going to get the Samsung EVO 250GB SSD, does it come with SAT AIII 6.0 Gbps Cable, or do I buy separately?

If my CM690 CoolerMaster case has 5.75" width front bays, Do I also need somewhat of an adaptor 3.5-2.5' cage, or does it come with the SSD?

And also on the top of case, I have the old 2x2.0 USB, Firewire / eSata /headphone, microphone I/O's, ....and I get any mobo, whether it would be the B85, or Z87 chipset, I probably can not hook up the Mobo wires to these old top inputs, so I would have to buy a Front Multi-Port USB 3.0,SD Card reader, to hook up to the mobo, and still be able to hook up the top Audio, Microphone I/O also to the mobo?

After Install of SSD, OS, Etc., I would also beforehand, PRE-download, and save on Flash drive, all the necessary 64 bit Drivers? What type of files?
MSI Utilities, AC Realtek chipset, Samsung EVO 250GB drivers? Are these right? When I'm setting this up, I will not have any backup computer, so I don't want to be DEAD in the water. I know all the other hardware updates will be installed after I get back online, I'm just worried about what I need to know BEFORE wiping the HDD, and Installing the New drive.


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 19, 2014 4:54 pm 
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[1] It might depend on the SSD but most likely the sata cable will not be sold with the SSD. Wait! Don't worry, you will probably get extra sata cables with your mobo, or you can reuse your old ones, if you have any. Cables don't affect the speed, rather, it depends on the interface itself.

[2] If I am looking at the right CM690 model manual, then you have no 2.5" drive bays. You will have to buy the adapter.

[3] Your case external I/O panel will have pins that will plug into your mobo pins for usb, eSata, audio, Firewire IEEE 1394. However, you must have a special case since I don't see firewire I/O mentioned in the manual. The eSata I/O will plug into one of your mobo SATA ports.

[4] I don't have experience installing windows on a new machine. I would guess that you install the OS onto the SSD and then it will ask you to either download drivers or install from disk.

EDIT: Here is the manual I was looking at:
http://www.coolermaster-usa.com/upload/ ... l-0106.pdf


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 19, 2014 5:27 pm 
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I just called MSI to see if they include a large top-view color schematic of the board, like I got with my last MSI P-35 motherboard, he told me no.
I guess I'll have to revert to looking at the "ZOOM" feature on the product itself.

I also asked him if I keep my CM Coolermaster ATX case, with the old 2.0 UBS,Microphone,Audio,Firewire,eSata on top of the case, could i plug in only the microphone.Audio onto the MOBO, and buy a Multi-Port 2/4x3.0 USB, SD Reader for the front bay, and plug THOSE into the MObo, ...he told me with the 3.0 USB, I will need to buy an all new case...really? if nothing else, if I keep this case, I will have to use the rear USB, for card reader, and all other USB devices. This reminds me of another question...Can I use the new 3.0 USB with my older All in One Epson NX300 Printer? is that where the new updated drivers come in from Epson?
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 Post subject: Re: Replacing seven year old system for video editing.
PostPosted: Wed Feb 19, 2014 5:44 pm 
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Please download your manual from:

http://us.msi.com/product/mb/Z87G41_PC_ ... div=Manual

You have internal headers on your mobo for USB2. I don't see firewire header so you won't be able to use it.

The tech support must have misunderstood you. You don't need a new case. USB3 is also backwards compatible so you can plug USB2 equipment into it without any problems.


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 Post subject: Re: Replacing seven year old system for video editing.
PostPosted: Sun Feb 23, 2014 2:54 pm 
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I also have heard MANY MANY suggestions from people about what's good, and what's trash, but I think I narrowed it down to these...otherwise, I'll never finish picking out parts, and if I do not soon, then the DDR3 memory will then be DDR8.

Mobo - MSI B85-G41 PC_Mate ATX 1150 $ 70.00 (Newegg)
PSU - Seasonic Gold Certified 550W $ 75.00 (Newegg)
CPU Cooler - CM Hyper 212 EVO $ 35.00 (Fry's)
SSD - Samsung EVO MLC 550GB $ 157.00 (Newegg)
CPU - 4th Gen. i7 4770 3.4 GHz LGA 1150 $ 240.00 (Micro center)
.....Fry's replaced this with an i7 4771
4th gen. $318.00 (Frys)
RAM - Corsair XMS 2x8GB DDR3 1600 $ 170.00 (Fry's)

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 Post subject: Re: Replacing seven year old system for video editing.
PostPosted: Sat Mar 01, 2014 11:50 pm 
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Hello,
I'll be out of all of your hair soon, and wont be a bother any longer, but...OK, I got the parts for the rebuild, so I am not yet convinced I need a Nvidia GPU.
CPU - Intel i7 4770 3.4GHz

MEMORY - Crucial Ballistix 2x 8GB DDR3 (PC3-12800) 1600

MoBo - MSI B85-G41 PC Mate (LGA 1050)

PSU - Seasonic 550w S12G Gold

CPU Heatsink - CoolerMaster Hyper 212EVO

Boot SSD - Samsung 840EVO 250GB

On my last 7 year old build, I installed a 700W, and it turns out people are telling me that's an overkill, so this around I decided on only a 550w, so as long as I don't do a SLI double Hi-End GPU's, I hope this will he sufficient enough.

I've heard from others that because the i7 Haswell CPU has the built in HD Graphics, I may not actually need a GPS, but someone mentioned having a card, like the GTX-650 Ti for instance, would be an improvement for watching YouTube and Video editing.

Will I be at a loss if I don't get a GPU to supplement this build? I could afford one, but not the more expensive,upper level gaming GPU.

I guess I could always try it first with Pinnacle, then decide, and install it later, but again, while I'm putting this all in now, it would be easier, and faster.

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 Post subject: Re: Replacing seven year old system for video editing.
PostPosted: Sun Mar 02, 2014 11:14 am 
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Thanks All!
From all the different suggestions on whether to get a GPU, or stick with the i7 HD 4600, it gets a little confusing, and the bottom line, which most everyone can agree on, is for video editing, the two most important components are the CPU, and the onboard RAM memory, and not so much the GPU, which now is very necessary for gaming.

I wanted a type of media PC, but concentrating primarily on the JPG'S, MPG2,4, AVI, MOV, MP3's, Photo & Video editing", and streaming, AND NOT for gaming or overclocking.


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 Post subject: Re: Replacing seven year old system for video editing.
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RE: GPU... I say try the integrated 4600 HD and see what it does, you can always add a discrete GPU later if you're not happy with the results. It's not a gaming GPU for sure, but I have the 4600 in my laptop (as well as a GTX-750m), and when I run the 4600 by itself (no NVidia driver installed), it handles everything else just fine (including youtube), but I haven't tried any video editing on it, that's what I have my beast of a desktop for!!!


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