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 Post subject: Inexpensive upgrade time, how did I do?
PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 3:06 am 
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Upgrading from a q6600 stock, asus p5n-em hdmi, 4gb of mushkin ram, 520w antec 80-plus P.S., EVGA Superclocked 560 1gb

All I do is game, performance in other things I am pretty patient with so there is little importance to anything besides gaming.

G.SKILL Trident X Series 8GB http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231587
ASUS P8Z77-V LE http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131823
i5 3570k http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116504
Gigabyte 7870 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125418

Comes to $685 total

I've done a good bit of research on which processor to get and what kind of motherboard. Seems like the 3570k is a good choice and should easily clock at 4.2ghz, even 4.6 according to hitechlegion.com's review of the board. (http://www.hitechlegion.com/reviews/motherboards/30702-asus-p8z77v-le-plus)

Planning on reusing all my current stuff, but I'm wondering a few things.

Will my power supply work? I bought it not even 6 months ago I think.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6817371030

Should I upgrade my video card or just keep using mine and wait for something better than the 6 series to come around?

The only thing I can't play right now with really high settings at 1920x1080 is Planetside 2, I haven't run into anything else that has given me any hiccups. The 7870 is a nice price and looks like it would give quite a decent jump in performance but I don't know if I can justify the cost of anything more than that.

I can certainly spend more but I'd really not rather.

edit: And maybe one of these cpu fans?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835230047
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835150119
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835186084


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 Post subject: Re: Inexpensive upgrade time, how did I do?
PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 6:33 am 
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You've got a good build spec brewing here. The 3570k is the ideal proc for your use. Yes, keep the psu...the EVO NEO is perfect size, it's a good one and is built to last more than 6 months...ha!...six years+ actually! But let's nix that Asus board, it's overpriced and is grossly sata port neutered. Look at an Asrock Pro-4, Extreme4, Extreme6 or Gigabyte UDH3 or UDH5 for the very best performance, feature and price. For the money @ $290 I'd step into a 7950 and snag both Crysis 3 and BioShock Infinite while the bundle is still free. It's not all too far off from a 7970 while $100 less. Now you can take that $100 and get yourself an ssd, like the $100 Vertex 4 on sale right now at NewEgg. And if you truly plan to OC, you must get a real cpu cooler...not any POS toy. Get either a $30 CoolerMaster 212 EVO (but the mounting bracket really sucks, it's so Micky Mouse) or the better performing Thermalright True-Spirit, $30 at Nan's Gaming Gear. And to end this counsel, scrap that Trident ram. 1.65v is silly and Z77 boards are really finicky with anything over 1.5v. The best options are the 1.35v variants, and the very best dimms are the Samsung Magic ram, get 2x4 of this and OC to your hearts content. Why pay for something you can do, right? I'm pushing 4x4 @ 1996MHz, 9-9-9-28-1T, 1.39v for a 20.7 to 21.4 gbps throughput.

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 Post subject: Re: Inexpensive upgrade time, how did I do?
PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 11:31 am 
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kleinkinstein wrote:
You've got a good build spec brewing here. The 3570k is the ideal proc for your use. Yes, keep the psu...the EVO NEO is perfect size, it's a good one and is built to last more than 6 months...ha!...six years+ actually! But let's nix that Asus board, it's overpriced and is grossly sata port neutered. Look at an Asrock Pro-4, Extreme4, Extreme6 or Gigabyte UDH3 or UDH5 for the very best performance, feature and price. For the money @ $290 I'd step into a 7950 and snag both Crysis 3 and BioShock Infinite while the bundle is still free. It's not all too far off from a 7970 while $100 less. Now you can take that $100 and get yourself an ssd, like the $100 Vertex 4 on sale right now at NewEgg. And if you truly plan to OC, you must get a real cpu cooler...not any POS toy. Get either a $30 CoolerMaster 212 EVO (but the mounting bracket really sucks, it's so Micky Mouse) or the better performing Thermalright True-Spirit, $30 at Nan's Gaming Gear. And to end this counsel, scrap that Trident ram. 1.65v is silly and Z77 boards are really finicky with anything over 1.5v. The best options are the 1.35v variants, and the very best dimms are the Samsung Magic ram, get 2x4 of this and OC to your hearts content. Why pay for something you can do, right? I'm pushing 4x4 @ 1996MHz, 9-9-9-28-1T, 1.39v for a 20.7 to 21.4 gbps throughput.

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Would his PSU still be enough if he went with a 7950, combined with the overclocking?


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 Post subject: Re: Inexpensive upgrade time, how did I do?
PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 12:43 pm 
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No, 520W is cutting it close for a 7950 in my opinion, at least for breathing room. So the 7950 yes. With overclocking? No.


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 Post subject: Re: Inexpensive upgrade time, how did I do?
PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 1:17 pm 
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kleinkinstein wrote:
You've got a good build spec brewing here. The 3570k is the ideal proc for your use. Yes, keep the psu...the EVO NEO is perfect size, it's a good one and is built to last more than 6 months...ha!...six years+ actually! But let's nix that Asus board, it's overpriced and is grossly sata port neutered. Look at an Asrock Pro-4, Extreme4, Extreme6 or Gigabyte UDH3 or UDH5 for the very best performance, feature and price. For the money @ $290 I'd step into a 7950 and snag both Crysis 3 and BioShock Infinite while the bundle is still free. It's not all too far off from a 7970 while $100 less. Now you can take that $100 and get yourself an ssd, like the $100 Vertex 4 on sale right now at NewEgg. And if you truly plan to OC, you must get a real cpu cooler...not any POS toy. Get either a $30 CoolerMaster 212 EVO (but the mounting bracket really sucks, it's so Micky Mouse) or the better performing Thermalright True-Spirit, $30 at Nan's Gaming Gear. And to end this counsel, scrap that Trident ram. 1.65v is silly and Z77 boards are really finicky with anything over 1.5v. The best options are the 1.35v variants, and the very best dimms are the Samsung Magic ram, get 2x4 of this and OC to your hearts content. Why pay for something you can do, right? I'm pushing 4x4 @ 1996MHz, 9-9-9-28-1T, 1.39v for a 20.7 to 21.4 gbps throughput.

[img]http://www.xbitlabs.com/images/coolers/xigmatek-prime-thermalright-true-spirit-140/zchart_diagr_big.png


Thanks for all the tips! :mrgreen:


I'll definably look at the your suggestions, and thanks for pointing out the error in my memory selection. If I hadn't known that and had problems with it I would have pulled my hair out :o I thought about a SSD since I'll probably have to re-install windows 7 anyway, but I don't know that much about them. Are they reliable? I believe I've heard stories of them dying out over a period of usage.

All of those motherboards are going to be overclocking friendly I assume?

I looked at the CoolerMaster Hyper 212 but how it works just begs belief. The thing is massive but only a small part actually touches the cpu.


I haven't really done much hardware since I built the computer I'm using 6 years ago (which I of course kept upgrading the video card every now and then), I used to upgrade all the time before the q6600 but it has been one very strong cpu. I wanted to see how long it would last; it's only recently started to show signs of not being up to the task.


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 Post subject: Re: Inexpensive upgrade time, how did I do?
PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 1:33 pm 
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You've got plenty of breathing room with that 520w. You'll only pull another 135w or so with say 5-6 hdd's, an ssd, an odd and external device or two hanging off usb. But you can draw your own conclusion. As for an ssd, it is the single greatest upgrade you can make and yes, it's now 2013 and they last.

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 Post subject: Re: Inexpensive upgrade time, how did I do?
PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 2:00 pm 
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Excellent to hear

Here's what I've come up with from your suggestions and trying to stay on newegg (but I might get that true spirit fan instead)

G. Skill Ripjaws X Series 2x4gb, 1.35v (I'm iffy on this one, seemed like a low performer on a chart I saw last night, but the samsung memory isn't on newegg)

ASRock Z77 Extreme 4 (there are 4m models, but I can't tell the difference and I like having a pci slot open [on the side I do music creation with Reason 3 but even on my system it's not slow so I'm not worried about its performance] for my sound card [& not almost touching the video card like it does in my computer] so I can hook my keyboard to my computer) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157293 I've always had Asus motherboards for as long as I can remember, but I trust ASRock is a good brand? Sounds cheap to be honest :o

CoolerMaster Hyper 212 Evo

i5 3570k still

The SSD you posted is awesome, I'm most likely going to get it. I don't plan on having a lot of hard drives, re-using my current single drive will be fine for me. I don't really plan on SLI either but down the road I might. I can also get a new PSU when that time comes around.

As far as the video card I'm on the fence whether I really need one or not, I feel like I should wait for the next gen and my 560 should suffice for now.


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 Post subject: Re: Inexpensive upgrade time, how did I do?
PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 3:49 pm 
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Amazon has the magic ram. It's worth it. But if you must stay with nEgg, then these Blackline sticks are your best alternative. Be sure to use promocode BTEXVXS22 for 10% off.

What you opt for the GPU is your call, but we won't see any meaningful new cards for a year. Better drivers yes, and some trickle down economics is all we have to look forward to until 2014. If if was my $280, I'd cart a 7950 + Crysis3 and BioShock Infinite for free (an honest $120 value). You might have to wait forever for the 7950 to come down to $160. Recycle your 560 on ebay. Their is always a market for old vcards, especially n the U.K.


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 Post subject: Re: Inexpensive upgrade time, how did I do?
PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 4:31 pm 
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kleinkinstein wrote:
Amazon has the magic ram. It's worth it. But if you must stay with nEgg, then these Blackline sticks are your best alternative. Be sure to use promocode BTEXVXS22 for 10% off.

What you opt for the GPU is your call, but we won't see any meaningful new cards for a year. Better drivers yes, and some trickle down economics is all we have to look forward to until 2014. If if was my $280, I'd cart a 7950 + Crysis3 and BioShock Infinite for free (an honest $120 value). You might have to wait forever for the 7950 to come down to $160. Recycle your 560 on ebay. Their is always a market for old vcards, especially n the U.K.


Nice, disappointing to hear that the new stuff is so far off but that does give a much better case for getting the good stuff now.

I'll look into both of those memories, I really didn't want to go with the g skill ripjaws :o I would like to order all from the same place, I'll see how it pans out.

I'm still weighing whether I should get the True Spirit or the 212 but either one seems like a fine choice.

You've been a great help :mrgreen:


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 Post subject: Re: Inexpensive upgrade time, how did I do?
PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 4:38 pm 
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The two coolers and their hardware really don't compare...ah'hem...and neither do their performances. Tell Tom at Nan's that I sent you and he'll ship for free.

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cooler ... evo_5.html
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cooler ... html#sect0


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 Post subject: Re: Inexpensive upgrade time, how did I do?
PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 3:42 am 
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kleinkinstein wrote:
The two coolers and their hardware really don't compare...ah'hem...and neither do their performances. Tell Tom at Nan's that I sent you and he'll ship for free.

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cooler ... evo_5.html
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cooler ... html#sect0



Niiice :D

I was just looking at the other cpu fans on nan's site and found the TY-140 which is the one in the charts you posted and it's only $5 more, no big deal, but I noticed for the same price they have "Macho Rev A" heat sinks that are much bigger with twice as many heat pipes. What do you think of them? Maybe they're too big though, I'd be worried about it fitting and not hitting the memory or some fashion heat sink on the motherboard.


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