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 Post subject: New system - sub $1000 - gamining, program development
PostPosted: Fri Mar 11, 2005 6:58 am 
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Rather then re-kindle the old thread I am going to re-post the original, with some more updated info:

I want to build a new PC, one that will be my main machine that I play games, do my programming work on, tool around on the internet... etc.

I am probably going to dual boot that machine with Debian or RC3 (just for compatability interests, I might not dual boot, but Just to keep that in mind when selecting hardware) and Windows XP

I have a monitor already, so that is not needed. I also have a hard drive. I will need mouse + keyboard, and those can be bought with whatever is left over in the "budget".

Proc: Intel vs AMD does not make a difference to me at this point. I would like something over the 3.0 ghz range. A 1mb cache prefered.
Motherboard should have onboard SATA and (maybe) onboard IDE raid (but this is not really needed)
I want between 1gb and 2 gigs of ram.
DVD burner is needed
At least 5.1 sound (would like an Audigy if possible, but not "needed")
Graphics card, prefer Nvida, but it doesnt make a difference.

Allow $80 for Fans, round IDE cables, sleeves, heatsinks for chipsets (if needed)

This is what I had in mind:
* ASUS "P4P800-E Deluxe" i865PE Chipset Motherboard for Intel Socket 478 CPU -RETAIL -- 117
* Intel Pentium 4/ 3.2E GHz 800MHz FSB, 1MB L2 Cache, Hyper Threading Technology - Retail -- 217
* Sony Internal 16X DVD+/-RW / Double Layer Drive Black, Model DW-D22A-B2, OEM -- 56
* Creative Labs Sound Blaster Audigy 2 Value Sound Card, Model "SB0400" -RETAIL -- 57

I was unsure of what ram I 'should' invest in. The system may see some OC action (like a 70% chance)

Comments/changes/suggestions?[/list]


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 11, 2005 10:45 am 
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i know you're trying to get away from brands, but you picked 2 of amd's strong points(games and development), and one massive weakpoint of ati.

http://www.anandtech.com/linux/showdoc.aspx?i=2302&p=4

Are you looking for future upgradability? i.e. pcie? if not, you can go for a cheaper 754 system, using the 3400+ ($219 at newegg) the 3400+ new castle is slightly more powerful than the 3500+ in most operations as the differences of 939 dont make as huge an impact as the extra $200MHz.

As for overclocking, i've taken my 3400+ to 2.83GHz on an xp-90.

for ram, kingmax ddr433 ram at newegg sells between $60 and $70 for a 512MB stick. cas 2 at ddr400, 2.5 at 433. I had it running fine at 472.


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 11, 2005 11:04 am 
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I am not a huge fan of ATI anyway... lol

I was looking for some advice on which way I should go with these items. I was leaning toward trying AMD as I was 'tainted' when the computer I bought to use as my server had a T-Bird 1400 in it.

PCIe is not necessary... but it might be nice. I dont think I will be buying or upgrading (yeah, right) for a while. I need to get some other things paid off, and focus more on putting money away after the summer. I am getting some money from the insurance for the house fire, so I am splurging.

If I wanted PCIe, what board would you suggest that might give me what I was looking for with the IDE + RAID? The only problem with that is I would probably have to spend more $$ for a PCIe video card.

I dont do any "serious" gaming. Just a little here and there, so I dont 'need' to be a power whore in that sense.

New Castle 3400+ sounds like it might be a good fit.

What videocard would you suggest?


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 11, 2005 3:37 pm 
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Similar thread

Anyway... why s478? Why not 775?


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 11, 2005 6:55 pm 
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OCNoob wrote:
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Anyway... why s478? Why not 775?


478 will let you put on a northwood, which clock for clock ran most apps better than the prescott. also less heat, and pretty decent overclocker.


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 11, 2005 8:48 pm 
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Beomagi wrote:
OCNoob wrote:
Similar thread

Anyway... why s478? Why not 775?


478 will let you put on a northwood, which clock for clock ran most apps better than the prescott. also less heat, and pretty decent overclocker.


He was planning a Prescott build. In addition, Prescotts are naturally faster at 3.6GHz+ speeds. Prescotts also have good headroom for overclocking. Lastly, Northwoods are more expensive.


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 Post subject: Re: New system - sub $1000 - gamining, program development
PostPosted: Sat Mar 12, 2005 2:37 am 
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CrashTECH wrote:

* ASUS "P4P800-E Deluxe" i865PE Chipset Motherboard for Intel Socket 478 CPU -RETAIL -- 117


CT, if tech support means a lot to you, you may want to rethink your Asus choice. I've been there a bunch of times the last 2 weeks, a lot of the site is down. If I were having issues & couldn't get to the downloads to fix something, I'd be pretty pissed.


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 12, 2005 8:26 am 
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Tech support is a consideration... I have had problems myself getting to their site... I am looking for a board "like" that one.

So... we have Prescott 3.4 to 3.6
OR Newcastle 3400+

There was a thread that I read somewhere that mentioned another AMD core that was just as good as NC but ran cooler? I don't recall what it was or where I saw the thread.

I plan to be ordering my parts this week sometime. Hopefully have everything decided upon by monday so I can get everything shipped home by the weekend.

I got my tax refund, so I used it to pay some other computer parts off, yay!


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 12, 2005 9:13 am 
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OK, after checking out the similar thread... this is what I have come up with here....

Chaintech nVIDIA GeForce 6600GT Video Card, 128MB DDR3, 128-Bit, TV-Out/DVI, PCI-Express, Model "SE6600G" -RETAIL
Creative Labs Sound Blaster Live! 5.1 PCI Sound Card -RETAIL
AMD Athlon 64 3500+, 512K, L2 Cache, Socket 939 Windows Compatible 64-bit Processor - Retail
Thermaltake W0014 Silent Purepower 480W with Black housing - Xaser Edition ATX 2-Fan Power Supply
Microsoft Black IntelliMouse Optical Mouse -OEM
Logitech Internet Pro BLACK Keyboard PS/2 104keys - OEM
CHAINTECH NVIDIA nForce4 Chipset Motherboard For AMD Socket 939 CPU, Model "VNF4" -RETAIL
Corsair Value Select (Dual Pack) 184 Pin 512MBx2 DDR PC-3200 - OEM
NEC 16X Double Layer DVD±RW Drive, Beige, Model ND-3520A, OEM
2x Link Depot 12" ATA133 UV CABLE 2 CONNECTOR SILVER, Model UV-ATA12-SL-2 -RETAIL
Link Depot 10" FLOPPY UV CABLE 2 CONNECTOR SILVER, Model UV-FLP10-SL -RETAIL
18-Inch 2-Head Red SATA (SERIAL ATA 150) Cable

TOTAL: $878.55

I am going to end up being 1 SATA cable short (due to that whole controller card fiasco I had a couple weeks ago, so I need to buy another one. ::sigh::

Comments? I want to order it today...


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 12, 2005 10:23 am 
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why do you prefer the chaintech ?
i had nothing but problems with a videocard ti4200
and the comp shop that i bought it from stoped carrying them and refused to give my money back
weeks later i forced him to but it still sucked
ive allways liked msi and use their parts only
chaintech was a requist from the person i was bulding the comp for
all the problems maid me look real inexperianced


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 12, 2005 12:30 pm 
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CrashTECH wrote:
So... we have Prescott 3.4 to 3.6
OR Newcastle 3400+


Doing anything CPU intensive? Go with Intel if so. If you're sticking mainly to games, then AMD.

CrashTECH wrote:
There was a thread that I read somewhere that mentioned another AMD core that was just as good as NC but ran cooler? I don't recall what it was or where I saw the thread.


Winchester core. 90nm process and all the good stuff of the A64s. Not overclocking? Skip it. Newcastles have mediocre headroom. Also, consider the s939 alternative to s754 (which you've done when you picked the 3500+).

The AMD build you've blue printed looks alright. (You're skipping a hard drive on purpose, right?)


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 12, 2005 3:41 pm 
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Nothing wrong with Gigabyte :wink:


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 12, 2005 10:11 pm 
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Yes, I have a hard drive already... its an 80 gig, nothing special, I plan on adding to the system later on (more ram, and more HDD space)

I am still unsure about the proc/mobo...

I would be doing some programming (in both .NET and DevC++ based on the gcc compiler) Might do a little photoshopping but not much.

Probably going with an Intel would be a better bet huh?


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