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 Post subject: Dual Xeon or beefy 64
PostPosted: Sun Mar 06, 2005 9:29 am 
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Customer wants new computer. Asked for something beefy, something that he can game with, edit videos, burn DVDs, and host game servers. Video editing is minor, nothing huge. Mostly converting camcorder to DVD and editing before burning. He plays counterstrike and other various FPS games, burns a ton of movies, and wants a computer that wont lag out when he tries to do 2 things at once. His exact words were he wants to be able to put both his DVD burners in there, burn 2 DVDs at the same time and jump into a CS game while they are burning/ripping, all while hosting the game itself.

Should I go with a high end 939 64 system with dual 6800's or get dual xeons with 1 6800 AGP?? Ive never had to build something this powerful before, so id like to here some recommendations. Either way, I dont think he needs to waste an extra $500 on a second vid card, i dont see it making a huge difference, but if yall think it will, then i will go with it.

Ill use this thread to throw around different ideas and hopefully have it built within a day or 2. Basic parts will be listed below. Do the burners need to be on separate channels (PM + SM) to burn at the same time?

I guess at this point i just need ideas for motherboard and procs, either 64 or xeon...


Antec SOHO case with 430w PSU
2x 1gig sticks of ?brand 3200 (OCZ, mushkin, crucial)
74gig Raptor Primary System-boot
2x 250gig SATA WD 8mb Secondaries Storage
2x LiteOn DVD Burners 16x


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 06, 2005 9:31 am 
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Just give him an FX-55, or an Athlon 64 4000. If you go dual he won't see any benefit, and you are simply wasting his money.


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fx 55 with a nice nforce4sli board and he'll be set


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When you say game servers how many people will he want on his server? If he has like 28+ then i would go with the dual xeons.


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When you say game servers how many people will he want on his server? If he has like 28+ then i would go with the dual xeons.


No, he is better off with a whole different system to be the game server. You would be surprised how little power it takes to be a gamer server, much less than it takes to play the game.


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dual xeon is definitely stronger than the most expensive AMD processor, unless you go dual AMD then that is probably the best :twisted: . But no matter what processors you go for whenever you are burning a cd or dvd you really shoudl never be doing anything else or there may be errors.


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manaburn777 wrote:
dual xeon is definitely stronger than the most expensive AMD processor, unless you go dual AMD then that is probably the best :twisted: . But no matter what processors you go for whenever you are burning a cd or dvd you really shoudl never be doing anything else or there may be errors.


With enuff power and RAM it shouldnt be an issue. I can play BHD while burning DVDs on my old rig and they came out just fine. I ran a gig with a 2600+.


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When you say game servers how many people will he want on his server? If he has like 28+ then i would go with the dual xeons.
I run all the same servers he runs on my PII 400/512mb SDRAM, so i dont think that is necessary. We never go over 24 people due to upload speeds.


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Ok, sounds like Athlon 64 4000+ is where im leaning so far. Although, if I got with a dual Xeon setup I can get 4 instances of folding running...decisions, decisions.

What about video. Is there a significant gain with running dual 6800 ultras? Most of you know how i feel about video cards, lol. Two years from now he could add another if needed, but my opinion is its not necessary right now. If it was me, id go with a AGP 6800 ultra 256, dual xeons and 2 gigs of RAM. Only cuz i want the folding power as well as everything else, lol.


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he'll get MUCH more life outa a 939 sli board. buy xeons now isnt the brightest thing, IIRC they're switching sockets for dual cores. so i'd say a 4000+ with a gig of nice pc3200 and one 6800ultra.


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I'm a bit confused as to why you're not considering a dual opteron solution. They are quite powerful. And opterons recently fell in price when the 252s came out. New boards have dual pcie as well.

imo, go single card, then upgrade only if you really need it.


Hyperthreading will allow concurrent process to run at best speed if the threads are mutually exclusive of the required execution units. Multiple Folding threads may benefit from hyperthreading somewhat but i cont see it gaining much. Is folding an smp aware app?


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By going with a single proc setup ill save alot on RAM. I forgot that the dually setups need the ECC registered stuff, and a 1gig stick of that is almost twice as much as a normal stick.

I think to save a few bucks I will go with the 4000+. I did look into the opterons and thats when i realized the RAM prices.


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if you go with a little older technology asus makes the pc-dl, dual xeon board, uses the 875 chipset, and the ich5r southbridge, non ecc ddr 2700, up to 3.20/533. this board can be easily modded for 800 fsb xeons, with the newest bios update. this board is essentially a p4c800e dlx but for 2 xeons.

started and finished cod in 6 hrs, with all 4 folding instances running yesterday.

and just for information, the 3.06 xeons with 2gig, in my machine will outpoint an fx-55 folding.


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how much are you planning on spending? and is the future capable upgrade of pcie necessary?


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Well it is your friends money isnt it? :twisted: get the dual opterons , 2gb ram, 6800ultra and fold on it :twisted:


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Nvidia4Ever wrote:
Well it is your friends money isnt it? :twisted: get the dual opterons , 2gb ram, 6800ultra and fold on it :twisted:


Wait for the dual core opterons, then go for it.
After All, It's all about the points... :twisted:


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PPGMD wrote:
Just give him an FX-55, or an Athlon 64 4000. If you go dual he won't see any benefit, and you are simply wasting his money.


Quite wrong. Take a look at what he wants:

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His exact words were he wants to be able to put both his DVD burners in there, burn 2 DVDs at the same time and jump into a CS game while they are burning/ripping, all while hosting the game itself.


I don't even think I need to explain the benefit of dual processors in this situation. If you don't understand the underlying principles of a multitasking OS please ask in a different post.


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 11, 2005 11:13 am 
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Flytrap7 wrote:
Quite wrong. Take a look at what he wants:

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His exact words were he wants to be able to put both his DVD burners in there, burn 2 DVDs at the same time and jump into a CS game while they are burning/ripping, all while hosting the game itself.


I don't even think I need to explain the benefit of dual processors in this situation. If you don't understand the underlying principles of a multitasking OS please ask in a different post.


I missed that part when I read it.

Anyways I would say that he would be better served with two separate machines, as a mentioned before. Having a video editing machine with something like a 6600GT, and plenty of hard disk spaces, and a gaming machine tailored for speed.


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 11, 2005 12:14 pm 
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I agree with splitting those things out. I used to run a Freelancer server on a 600mhz Celeron with 256mb of ram.... (HP Pavilion 6649F to be exact)

If he wants to some silly thing like rip/burn dvds while playing CS...

Dual procs and ECC ram is a must... I would think which means a boat load of money.

Probably would be smart to have sata hard drives and then 2 dvd burners on one chain, and a normal cd rom on another chain (for the CS disc) that would keep it seperate from the dvd.

Cheapest (and probably best way) = 2 machines
His way (idealistic at best) 1 beefy $2500+ machine....


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