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 Post subject: Photo / Video Editing Build
PostPosted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 10:38 am 
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OK, lets see if I can use all the Good info you guys have given me combine that with the research I have done and build a PC.

It will be mostly use for photo / HD video editing, light gaming, surfing the web and reading e-mails on a IPS 20” monitor(maybe 2 IPS 20” monitors in the future). I would also like it to be able to run CS6 and maybe 3D AutoCAD in the future. My budget is around $2000.

Quality and reliability are more important to me then quantity and speed!!


Already Bought --- Updated 12/17


Case – Corsair Obsidian Series 650D ATX Mid Tower

PSU – Corsair HX750

CPU – i7 3770K

Cooler – Cooler Master Hyper 212 Evo

Thermal Paste – MX4


Still Need


Mobo – ASUS P8Z77-V PRO LGA 1155 ATX

RAM – DDR3 16GB (2 x 8GB) ?

GPU – Radeon HD 7870 ?

OD – Lite-On iHBS212-08 Blu-ray Burner

SSD – Samsung 840 Pro Series

HD – 3TB Seagate Barracuda

OS – Windows 8 Professional 64-bit

Monitor – 20” IPS ?


Thermal Paste – Any Recommendations?

What do you think? Should I change anything?

Thanks for the Help!!


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 Post subject: Re: Photo / Video Editing Build
PostPosted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 11:16 am 
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Arctic Silver 5, the only thermal paste you'll ever need. And one 4 oz tube lasts a while. I still have the two I purchased over 5 years ago (maybe I should throw them out...)

Otherwise the rest looks fine.


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 Post subject: Re: Photo / Video Editing Build
PostPosted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 1:49 pm 
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I'm partial to MX-2, best place to acquire is Mwave. But it doesn't feel like you're the type to do any real OC'ing so it really doesn't matter. Just get a good spread. Ha! That what (he hoped) she said.

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If you'll be doing more video editing than games, get the 7950 instead. It performs better for that use case. Better deals on 16gb too. All you're really doing is paying a needless premium for the Vengeance branding. And did you see the $90 X650 deal today? Impossible to top this psu. I'm not dumping on your spec, it's really good and I always treat those who do their own homework with unparralled respect, I'm just offering some last minute insight.

Ohhh, and also do know that the new 840 pro firmware dropped today. Make sure to use it. The new reported results are insane. I feel really bad for the new Vector, OCZ tries just can't seem turn the corner.


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 Post subject: Re: Photo / Video Editing Build
PostPosted: Sat Dec 15, 2012 9:07 am 
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I found a really good deal on MX-4 last night on Newegg. (Free after rebate) It looks like its a little better then Arctic Silver 5 but not as good as MX-2.

Kleinkinstein

Your right I’m not really into OC’ing, well not yet anyway. :wink:

I did see that deal on the X650 right after I bought the HX750. :( But I think the HX750 will give me a little more breathing room just in case I do something crazy like buy a second GPU. :wink:

Is there really any difference between the different brands of Memory? What should I look for? Should I just base my decision on Cas Latency, price and color?

Why do you think AMD cards are better at video editing then Nvidia?
What are you basing that on?

Offer all the last minute insight you want!!!


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 Post subject: Re: Photo / Video Editing Build
PostPosted: Sat Dec 15, 2012 10:35 am 
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Inquisitor wrote:
Is there really any difference between the different brands of Memory? What should I look for? Should I just base my decision on Cas Latency, price and color?

Usually just quality. But I don't really think there's a difference. As far as what you should be looking for, I can tell you what you shouldn't be looking for: anything with a fancy heat spreader. RAM doesn't generate an appreciable amount of heat, even if you overclock it. CAS latency, while I'm sure improves performance in some areas, should be a back burner stat to look at, mostly because the number by itself means nothing.

So that just leaves price.

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Why do you think AMD cards are better at video editing then Nvidia?
What are you basing that on?

Someone else here would say a video card doesn't matter much in the end, because most of the heavy lifting is still done on the CPU.

Do some research on the programs you're running. If there's a lot of support for CUDA, then NVIDIA wins out. If there's support for OpenCL, then AMD's latest offerings win out (NVIDIA didn't put much weight GPGPU functions on the 600 series). If there's no support, a video card doesn't really help.


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 Post subject: Re: Photo / Video Editing Build
PostPosted: Sat Dec 15, 2012 2:35 pm 
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Price isn't the only equalizer. But all these goofy useless heatsinks is the only thing vendors have to differentiate. How comical but so few know the jig. Fact is, not all ram is the same. Quality is all over the map. The sweet-spot is 1600 and 1.5v. The trick is to find the lowest cas and the lowest voltage @ 1600. Those are the ultra high quality dimms. IMO, nothing beats the magic ram and brand new 22nm 8GB dimms drop next month. I run 4x4 @ 1996MHz, 9-9-9-28-1T, 1.39v and get 20.7gbps. Crazy throughput, I know, but you can have it too. Depending on your board, some owners get amazing results with only a few minutes of tweaks.

If you must have 16GB in 2x8 then be a smartie and go with the Blackline Mushkin, nothing else come close in performance. It's the other best kept dimm secret.

If you just want the cheapest then go with 1600@1.5v G.Skill, esp. their Ares series. NewEgg has their sticks as ShellShockers feels like daily. Just last week 32GB was $89 with an email promocode.


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 Post subject: Re: Photo / Video Editing Build
PostPosted: Sat Dec 15, 2012 5:51 pm 
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kleinkinstein wrote:

If you must have 16GB in 2x8 then be a smartie and go with the Blackline Mushkin, nothing else come close in performance. It's the other best kept dimm secret.

If you just want the cheapest then go with 1600@1.5v G.Skill, esp. their Ares series. NewEgg has their sticks as ShellShockers feels like daily. Just last week 32GB was $89 with an email promocode.

DDR3-1866 spec'd at 1.35V, awesome!

I'd be inclined to go with Kingston HyperX DDR3-1600 1.35V 16GB (2x8GB) kit for $75, or even the Crucial Ballistix Sport DDR3-1600 1.35V low-profile 16GB (2x8GB) kit for $80, before I'd pay $25 for the G.Skill... I've had some bad experiences with G.Skill in case you were wondering.


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 Post subject: Re: Photo / Video Editing Build
PostPosted: Sun Dec 16, 2012 9:10 am 
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LatiosXT, Kleinkinstein and Chaosdsm thanks for the advice!!! Sometimes it more helpful to tell someone what NOT to buy then to tell them what to buy.

OK, I’m going to ask the question that has to be asked!! If Corsair Vengeance isnt worth the price why does MaxPC use it in most of their builds? :? ?

If I use DDR3 1866 memory will it run at 1866 or 1600? Do I have to change the BIOs to get it to run at 1866?

Which is faster DDR3 1866 CL11 or DDR3 1600 CL9?

Why is 1.35V better then 1.5V? Is it about heat or is there more to it then that?

It seems like every time you guys answer one of my questions I end up having 3 or 4 or more questions. :wink:

Thanks


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 Post subject: Re: Photo / Video Editing Build
PostPosted: Sun Dec 16, 2012 10:14 am 
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Inquisitor wrote:
OK, I’m going to ask the question that has to be asked!! If Corsair Vengeance isnt worth the price why does MaxPC use it in most of their builds? :? ?

Who knows? That must be something you'll have to ask themselves. :P

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If I use DDR3 1866 memory will it run at 1866 or 1600? Do I have to change the BIOs to get it to run at 1866?

The maximum speed DDR3 supports officially is 1333. Thus, you memory will run at DDR3-1333 on first boot, you'll have to manually tweak with BIOS settings to get it to the speed you want.

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Which is faster DDR3 1866 CL11 or DDR3 1600 CL9?

DDR3-1600 CL9 by about 200ps.

PROTIP: CAS latency can be calculated by <CAS-Latency>/<memory speed>

[quote]Why is 1.35V better then 1.5V? Is it about heat or is there more to it then that?[quote]
Less power consumption and more overclocking headroom. Memory doesn't generate a lot of heat (remember why we don't recommend memory with fancy heatsinks).


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 Post subject: Re: Photo / Video Editing Build
PostPosted: Sun Dec 16, 2012 11:37 am 
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Why do the minions at MPC pimp Corsair? Lemme put it this way. Ask that question to yourself out-load (really, do it) and if you are a mag subscriber it'll immediately become obvious! ........ Marketing my dear fellow. Horsehair fills their mag with oodles of advertising. Economics (not performance) rule the roost. No wonder we are on the ledge of the Fiscal Cliff! I digress, yet it is Sunday.

As for all your other Q's, LXT provided the answer to everything.

....as a side note, I've been impressed with your sleuthing. You've never really built a rig before?


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 Post subject: Re: Photo / Video Editing Build
PostPosted: Mon Dec 17, 2012 7:22 am 
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OK, the following info is ALL LatiosXT fault, he’s the one that got me started!! :wink:

I found this on anandtech.com
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6372/memo ... ith-gskill

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There is one way to determine whether a kit might be better than another, and that is to look at the calculable latency of the kit.

2000 x (CL / Speed ) = Latency in nanoseconds (ns)

Thus for the three kits

DDR3-1333 9-9-9 has a latency of 13.5 ns
DDR3-1600 10-10-10 has a latency of 12.5 ns
DDR3-1866 11-11-11 has a latency of 11.79 ns

This latency essentially tells us which kit is fastest at non-sequential reads. Non-sequential reads are important in a lot of variable scenarios, such as video games whereby the user could perform one of a billion different actions and as such different elements of the memory have to be loaded.

The downside of this test is that it does not take into account consecutive reads. When dealing with conversion, video editing, or anything that requires a large dataset to be read sequentially, we have to look at how long reads are processed.

The way to check this with DDR3 is as follows:

Cycle time in ns = 1000 / (Memory Speed / 2)
Bit time in ns = 1000 / Memory Speed

The time to read a single word of data (word is a technical term meaning 64 bits) is given by the Cycle Time multiplied by the CL. The time to read eight words is the Cycle Time multiplied by the CL then add seven lots of Bit Time. Let us go through the memory kits with this method.

DDR3-1333 9-9-9 has a Cycle Time of 1.5 ns and a Bit Time of 0.75 ns
The time to read one word is 1.5*9 = 13.5 ns
The time to read eight words is 13.5 + 7 * 0.75 = 18.75 ns

DDR3-1600 10-10-10 has a Cycle Time of 1.25 ns and a Bit Time of 0.625 ns
The time to read one word is 1.25 * 10 = 12.5 ns
The time to read eight words is 12.5 + 7 * 0.625 = 16.875 ns

DDR3-1866 11-11-11 has a Cycle Time of 1.07 ns and a Bit Time of 0.536 ns
The time to read one word is 1.08 * 11 = 11.79 ns
The time to read eight words is 11.79 + 7 * 0.536 = 15.54 ns


Kleinkinstein

This is definitely not my first PC but it is my first build. I was a Dell guy for years.

Which websites do you use to find all those great prices I’ve see you come up with in other threads?


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