We get the message, loud and clear. Please return to your normal Grumpy self instead of the extra-cussy-Grumpy version
We've had words before, on the board and in private, and you know
how much I love it here. You also know, and many others do to, just how I conduct myself here and on ever forum I belong to. Yes, I'm a grump (duh!), but I am fair minded and only give crap when crap has been asked for.
I have been threatened with banishment for having an opinion -- one I thought I had to fight to express because so many tried to shut me up. I was told, in so many words, that the trash-mouth people and the kiddies in particular have more control than the staff. I don't agree with that, but because I haven't been here since day whatever and don't have umpteen thousand posts, I am not allowed to express my conservative opinion.
If you are saying that I CAN express my opinion and go back to being who I want to be, I would LOVE to do that. But if I have to endure threats of banishment because I speak out against vulgarities and personal attacks on a member's (or non-member) character, then I would just as soon keep on adding all the shits, damns and fucks to stay on the other side of the fence.
You know I appreciate your concern.
I'm doing this publically because I think everyone deserves to hear it.
I don't think the moderators have less control than the kids, I think we have an acceptable "level" of things we're willing to let go -- we can't police every word, and we have to trust that people, to some degree, can moderate themselves. Would I prefer it if people only used foul language occasionally (like they would if they were speaking to the same crowd)? Of course I would. Would I prefer it if we all acted like adults all the time? Sure.
The reality of the forums is that there are kids here, there are adults who act like kids here, there are kids who act like adults here, and there are adults here. We have to live with them all. If there are kids that continuously act inappropriately, they'll be warned and banned as well.
You should be able to express your opinion, but when your opinion becomes more important to you than participating in the forum, we all need to take a step back. I think you'll find most of the grumpy old adults in the forum agree with what you're saying, but what we can actually DO about it is another issue. This forum should be welcoming to everyone, and it should be a place people can come to get help.
I am always willing to hear constructive criticism and ESPECIALLY suggestions on how we can improve our community here. That should be everyone's goal. We've been through this in our previous forum and I fully expect that we'll go through it here, and I want people to participate. We don't have a lot of the constraints we had in the other forum here, so we have much more freedom to improve it.
Bitchin' and moanin' doesn't accomplish a lot. Yes, you are free to express your opinion. When and where you express it is one issue, and how you express it is the other.
I agree with what Don said -- at some point, we have to accept what we're reading, and try to make it better ourselves one post at a time. Participate in the forum, participate it in the way you'd like to see others participate, and we can change what we see.
I hope you continue to participate, and as I mentioned before, I certainly hope that people here feel free to PM the moderators with suggestions and discussion on the forums.