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PostPosted: Wed Feb 24, 2010 9:11 pm 
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ATi is really botching the mid-range series cards it seems to me. First they release the 5770 with bandwidth so throttled it gets beat by the card it's intended to phase out (the 4870), and now they release the 5830, which instead of 1 less functional unit then the 5850 and a lower clock speed, it has 2 less functional units, half the ROPs and texture units, and a higher clock. What does this mean? Huge fucking PCB, and higher power consumption then the 5850. The price also doesn't match either. It's price is closer to the 5850's, but performance is close to the 5770's. WTF is with this? ATi really needs to get some competition to get their asses in line. I bet this thing gets beat by a 4890, again, the card it is intended to phase out (and a card it is more expensive then right now).


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Agreed. In folding@home, that thing will probably get beat by an 8800 GS :evil:

can't AMD make some cards that can fold WELL?





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Its about 1-2fps slower in some games than a 4890, or about the same (less than 1 fps difference) in others. It costs 80$ more than a 5770 while offering 10% more performance...its a useless card only made to fill the price gap between a 5850 and a 5770.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/rad ... ,2564.html


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GreenMidgetYoda wrote:
Its about 1-2fps slower in some games than a 4890, or about the same (less than 1 fps difference) in others. It costs 80$ more than a 5770 while offering 10% more performance...its a useless card only made to fill the price gap between a 5850 and a 5770.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/rad ... ,2564.html


Its worse than that if you read the ANAND review, waiting for [H]'s myself. It gets beat by the GTX260 216 in one game in more than 1 resolution.


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Come on Nvidia. I won't buy your newest card since I already made the blunder of buying a 5770 (yay for GSOD) but it will at least force some competition back into the market and force ATI to start doing things right again.


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One thing I haven't seen/heard yet is how well that turd overclocks. That "could" be it's saving grace if it turns out to be some monster overclocker.
Aside from that, most reviews I see make me even more proud of the performance of my overclocked xfire 4890s, which continues to stomp all but the extreme top end cards rights now.


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the biggest bottleneck is the ROP's. they shouldnt have cut the ROP's in half, they should have gone 24 ROPs. then the 5830 would have been a much better card.

as it stands right now, that card needs to be $20-$30 cheaper for it to be worth the buy


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The GTX260 216 is mid-level? Noooo...it's just an aging king of the hill.

See if this works:
5890
5870
5850
5830

That's a ranking. Where's the 5830 in that list? Bottom. It's not suppose to run with nVidia's 260's. It's a progression of SKU'd parts, and these are what didn't make it to be bigger GPU's. We've been doing this for decades folks. "my q9300 cpu isn't an x3350". Duh?

And graphic cards aren't made to fold. We hate cuda out here, but love it in folding...different worlds. That's not ATI's fault, that's Stanford's issue they need to deal with.


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Chumly wrote:
The GTX260 216 is mid-level? Noooo...it's just an aging king of the hill.

See if this works:
5890
5870
5850
5830

That's a ranking. Where's the 5830 in that list? Bottom. It's not suppose to run with nVidia's 260's. It's a progression of SKU'd parts, and these are what didn't make it to be bigger GPU's. We've been doing this for decades folks. "my q9300 cpu isn't an x3350". Duh?

And graphic cards aren't made to fold. We hate cuda out here, but love it in folding...different worlds. That's not ATI's fault, that's Stanford's issue they need to deal with.


Chumly, I think your missing the point here. Its more than just the fact in 1(ONE) game it loses to a GTX260 at multiple resolutions. In several games, even tho has 320 more shaders,same ROPs at a higher clock speed and more bandwidth, it loses even to a 4870 a few times and a 4890 several times. The card, even "IF" it is the lower end SKU of the highend line, it still shouldn't be losing benches to slower old cards in DX10 games.


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 25, 2010 8:02 pm 
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You missed the main problem, Logan. It's also more expensive. :x


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You missed the main problem, Logan. It's also more expensive. :x


I thought that went without saying, but ohwell.


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