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PostPosted: Tue Sep 14, 2004 5:59 pm 
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from http://www.verummedia.com/article.php?sid=221

"Researchers were able to send 859 gigabytes of data in less than 17 minutes at a rate of 6.63 gigabits per second - a speed that equals the transfer of a full-length DVD movie in four seconds.

The transfer experiment was done between the Geneva, Switzerland home of CERN and Pasadena, California, where Caltech is based - a distance of approximately 15,766 kilometres."


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Simply incredible, yet realistic.

Throughput DOES need to be at these kinds of levels. File sizes just keep getting bigger and bigger and bigger (kinda like the energizer bunny on growth hormones.)


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Meanwhile, the RIAA and MPAA are shuddering...


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It will be 10-20 years before Internet 2 will be opened to the public.


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So I should hang up on comcast? LOL...damn! I was going to be the first man on the block with Internet2.

(I should still call and ask for it just to see how they react :) )


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definitely those are good numbers.


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Where do I sign. I believe the going rate is my soul right? If so its a deal. I was going to hell anyway.


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And I thought my 1.1MB transfer rates were fast!!!

I can just see DVD pirates lining up the day it goes public.


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By the time it hits the open market, it will be so loaded up with anti-copy/piracy/share protocols, it will run about as fast as dialup does now.


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Dude-X wrote:
It will be 10-20 years before Internet 2 will be opened to the public.


Actually, Internet2 isn't a 'thing' to be opened ... it is "is a consortium being led by 207 universities working in partnership with industry and government to develop and deploy advanced network applications and technologies, accelerating the creation of tomorrow's Internet." (source)

The same page describes their goals:
* Create a leading edge network capability for the national research community
* Enable revolutionary Internet applications
* Ensure the rapid transfer of new network services and applications to the broader Internet community.

I hope that 'rapid transfer' does not mean a couple of decades! ;)

They are working to develop new technologies to speed up existing networks... by doing things such as finding replacements for the archaic TCP standard which is horribly slow on GBps+ networks.

</3 TCP

Anyway ... more information about this record-breaking speed can be found here and here


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that new verizon fiber optic looks nice for now/near future though. :twisted:


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Hairpuller wrote:
that new verizon fiber optic looks nice for now/near future though. :twisted:


hope FIOS becomes widely public soon. that u/l bandwidth is gonna rock, altho their service agreements states that you're not allowed to run 'any' server.


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You can actually get hooked up to Internet2. I was reading somewhere that it costs around a mil per month to use it for "educational" uses such as access to supercomputers and other scientific devices that require a lot of bandwidth.


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cigar3tte wrote:
Hairpuller wrote:
that new verizon fiber optic looks nice for now/near future though. :twisted:


hope FIOS becomes widely public soon. that u/l bandwidth is gonna rock, altho their service agreements states that you're not allowed to run 'any' server.


While the u/l bandwidth does rock...having all that for $39.95 a month as a standalone package or $34.95 a month as part of a local and/or long- distance calling plan really rocks.

I'm currently paying $39.95 for Comcast.

-misterLOBY


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Chumly wrote:
I should still call and ask for it just to see how they react :) )


ROFL

They would probobly reply:

"Hey now! Were still trying to figure out version one...simmer down now!"


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misterLOBY wrote:
cigar3tte wrote:
Hairpuller wrote:
that new verizon fiber optic looks nice for now/near future though. :twisted:


hope FIOS becomes widely public soon. that u/l bandwidth is gonna rock, altho their service agreements states that you're not allowed to run 'any' server.


While the u/l bandwidth does rock...having all that for $39.95 a month as a standalone package or $34.95 a month as part of a local and/or long- distance calling plan really rocks.

I'm currently paying $39.95 for Comcast.

-misterLOBY


That is nothing compared to what some countries in Asia and Europe have. ~50 euros gets you 10mb up/down. FTTP in Japan nets you upto 100mb up/down for cheap. Fiber to the Premise is here, but not in America.

Verizon is starting link here...


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Here are a few other things to consider:

Fiber can be stretched 35 miles before it needs to be amped again.
So, that solves most of the distance issue surrouding DSL today. You must live 18000 feet from the co, blah blah.

Plus, Verizon is just eating this up, but they won't be the only people in town to offer FTTP. I am sure all the cable companies are salivating to hop on this as well.

Downside, price.

Wonder what it would cost to have 100 mbps up/down.

$200.00/month introductory?


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InstigatorX wrote:
Here are a few other things to consider:

Fiber can be stretched 35 miles before it needs to be amped again.
So, that solves most of the distance issue surrouding DSL today. You must live 18000 feet from the co, blah blah.

Plus, Verizon is just eating this up, but they won't be the only people in town to offer FTTP. I am sure all the cable companies are salivating to hop on this as well.

Downside, price.

Wonder what it would cost to have 100 mbps up/down.

$200.00/month introductory?



Charter wants to charge me $250 a month for 5mb/512 for business use here. So if they want to charge $200 a month for 100/100, ill sure as hell pay it.


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maxxpc wrote:
You can actually get hooked up to Internet2. I was reading somewhere that it costs around a mil per month to use it for "educational" uses such as access to supercomputers and other scientific devices that require a lot of bandwidth.


You are probably thinking of the Abilene backbone, which is part of the Internet2 consortium's research. It is a "cross-country backbone is 10 gigabits per second, with the goal of offering 100 megabits per second of connectivity between every Abilene connected desktop."

It costs, though. 2003 connection fees are listed as follows:
OC3 = $110,000 (No longer accepted on a general basis)

OC12 = $240,000

Gigabit Ethernet (1 Gbps) = $280,000

OC48 = $360,000

10 GigE (10 Gbps) = $480,000


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 15, 2004 7:25 pm 
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Ah yes, the Abilene, thats the one. Part that got me is that it is "part" of the Internet2 backbone. It isnt the whole thing though :?


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