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 Post subject: Help me decide
PostPosted: Wed Jul 29, 2009 12:07 pm 
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Let me explain my situation...
I'm in high school and I've got a VERY short, very intense 3 week java course under my belt, so I understand syntax and the (extreme) basics of OOP.

I don't really want to continue with Java, but I'd like something that is cross-platform (if possible) and OOP. I looked at Perl, Ruby, and Python. I tinkered with them, but none jumped out.
What would be a good language to get into the basics more of OOP and build up some understanding of programming before I get into college. I'm striving for a position in InfoSec, and I want to get ahead a little bit with programming.

Suggestions are greatly appreciated!
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Cross-platform and OOP? Java.

Just OOP? C#

Honestly, for what you want, Java is the answer.
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C# is cross platform btw...
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CrashTECH wrote:
C# is cross platform btw...


Barely. :P
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Jipstyle wrote:
CrashTECH wrote:
C# is cross platform btw...


Barely. :P
Meh.

Better than Java, IMO :)
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A friend is going to learn C# with me (Sorry Jip :P)
What's the best compiler/source code editor?
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Visual Studio.

Microsoft has a free C# express edition that is nice.
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smartcat99s wrote:
Visual Studio.

Microsoft has a free C# express edition that is nice.


Novell is developing an open source alternative to the MS CLR, Mono. The IDE is not as robust as C# express, but thought it should be mentioned =D.
One more point, to get the full benefit of OOP in C#, make sure to utilize the MVC design pattern (or document/View for standalone apps). I have seen far too many students store their data into C# controls, and then have a hell of a time with modularization and modification down the road.
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CrashTECH wrote:
Jipstyle wrote:
CrashTECH wrote:
C# is cross platform btw...


Barely. :P
Meh.

Better than Java, IMO :)

Huh? Why?

And yes, I know this thread is a bit... err, old. ;-)
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jasonfactor wrote:
One more point, to get the full benefit of OOP in C#, make sure to utilize the MVC design pattern (or document/View for standalone apps). I have seen far too many students store their data into C# controls, and then have a hell of a time with modularization and modification down the road.


Hmm... Personally, I don't think that I would recommend learning design patterns to someone with three weeks worth of programming under their belt (unless they specifically asked about a design pattern, but then I would wonder why/what the hell they were doing).

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I'm a fan of Lisp, but I don't think we should push newbies into creating a DSL until week 4! You were a week early. ;)
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For the benefit of the newbies, while the MVC pattern is very useful, it isn't appropriate to use it with all OOP projects. Also, I would recommend learning Singleton, Facade and Static Factory patterns before MVC.

Just 2 cents.
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Gadget wrote:
CrashTECH wrote:
Jipstyle wrote:
CrashTECH wrote:
C# is cross platform btw...


Barely. :P
Meh.

Better than Java, IMO :)

Huh? Why?

And yes, I know this thread is a bit... err, old. ;-)
Personal preference really. I wasn't THAT impressed with Java or the IDEs I used.
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BTW, nice to know you are alive :)
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Are you sure? Maybe he is resurrecting zombie threads .. <spooky> from beyond the graaaave.

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CrashTECH wrote:
Gadget wrote:
CrashTECH wrote:
Jipstyle wrote:
CrashTECH wrote:
C# is cross platform btw...


Barely. :P
Meh.

Better than Java, IMO :)

Huh? Why?

And yes, I know this thread is a bit... err, old. ;-)
Personal preference really. I wasn't THAT impressed with Java or the IDEs I used.

I was curious about why you think C# is a better cross platform environment than Java. Most of the time, when people knock this aspect of Java, they are usually in their 50's and haven't actually used it -- and I know this isn't you! ;)
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BTW, nice to know you are alive :)


LOL... thanks... =)
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Are you sure? Maybe he is resurrecting zombie threads .. <spooky> from beyond the graaaave.

</spooky>

And acting like a border line fanboy for a dying language like Lisp... extremely spooky! =)
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