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 Post subject: iPhone SDK for Windows?
PostPosted: Thu Jan 01, 2009 2:01 pm 
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Well I, for one, was very disappointed whe I learned that the iPhone SDK was Mac-only. I want to develop iPhone apps, and I would like to avoid buying a mac if possible. Is it possible at all to develop iPhone apps on Windows (perhaps via an IDE plugin), is there any kind of "unauthorized" windows port of the iPhone SDK, or am I just screwed unless I buy a Mac or build a Hackintosh?


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Keep an eye on This thread. Jip is already working on this and may have an answer for you soon.


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So far as I know, there is no way to run the iPhone SDK on a non-OSX operating system. That's why I'm turning my netbook into a triple-booting workstation .. part 'nix, part 'doze, and part hackintosh.

There are easier machines to hack to use OSX, though .. I chose mine because of the availability of a 3G modem for it. YMMV.


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It depends on what you want to use the SDK for. My take is if you are playing with it, a hackintosh is ok. If you are at all serious about doing it for money, you need a "real" mac. You don't want to be spending a lot of time tracking down a bug that's due to the hackintosh environment.


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That really depends on how well you set up your hackintosh. If you use the 'vanilla' kernel, then the only difference between your hackintosh and a real Mac is the kexts(*) that you add for your environment. So long as your iPhone app is not dependent on those kexts, you'll be fine.

Kext: kernel extension. In windows speak, these are device drivers.

Note: I may have to retract this statement once I get my environment up and running .. if so, I'll let you know. :)


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 02, 2009 2:35 pm 
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lol thanks for the help. I'm gonna try and Hackintosh-ize my old Compaq C300 laptop (which already dualboots Ubuntu and XP).


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If that Compaq has an Intel processor, it should be possible. You might not have all your devices running ... if your sound card or network adaptor(s) have not been used by Apple at some point, you might not be able to find drivers for them.

Definitely worth a shot, though .. after all, you don't need sound to code for the iPhone (unless your app requires sound :P ) .. and you can always test it on your actual phone.


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Yup, I'm working on it; been downloading the install disk all weekend.
My Compaq's got an Intel proc, so that's not a problem. Only thing I'm really worried about is the network adapter; although if I can't find drivers for it, I can probably just use a USB network adapter.


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You'd need drivers for the USB adaptor as well .. but you can check the HCL and ensure you buy one that is compatible.

Check the HCL for your network card(s) ... Apple has used quite a few different chips for networking, so the odds are actually pretty good.


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 05, 2009 10:34 am 
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Quertior wrote:
lol thanks for the help. I'm gonna try and Hackintosh-ize my old Compaq C300 laptop (which already dualboots Ubuntu and XP).
Unless it is a current (Core 2 or better) it won't work (AFAIK).


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 05, 2009 10:54 am 
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Not necessarily ... bear in mind that the Atom is just a very small x86 processor ... not a C2D part at all.

Also, think of the processors that Apple has used ... current Mac Minis have Core Solo CPUs! Blech!


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 05, 2009 11:48 am 
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Jipstyle wrote:
Not necessarily ... bear in mind that the Atom is just a very small x86 processor ... not a C2D part at all.

Also, think of the processors that Apple has used ... current Mac Minis have Core Solo CPUs! Blech!
I was more thinking timeline than anything else. I should have been more specific.


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Yeah .. basically anything released prior to Apple's adoption of Intel processors will be problematic ... though, the vanilla kernel should still work fairly well if you disable the extensions that the older processor doesn't have.

Certainly not an 'out-of-the-box' experience, though!


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 05, 2009 5:29 pm 
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Nevermind, I took the leap and bought a mac. Got a good deal on one from a friend. Figured it would be better if everything just worked, and I needed the smaller notebook for when I travel anyways.


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Nice! What'd you get?


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The Core 2 Duo MacBook, the kind made right before the newest ones came out.


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Quertior wrote:
The Core 2 Duo MacBook, the kind made right before the newest ones came out.


Nice! I was looking closely at those and considering buying a refurb'ed unit from Apple ... you can get them for less than $1000 if you're patient.

However, my netbook was much closer to my price range (<$500, tax in). Let's not discuss the fact that I've yet installed OSX though. ;)

Got the iPhone SDK on there yet? I'm curious to know what you think of it.


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 06, 2009 7:03 am 
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No, haven't even got it yet; my friend lives quite a ways away, so he offered to mail it to me.


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Dude .. you can download it from Apple for free. ;)

http://developer.apple.com/iPhone/program/


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 06, 2009 7:22 am 
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I was talking about the computer itself, btw.


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