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PostPosted: Thu Oct 21, 2004 3:35 pm 
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I was thinking about starting programming. But I don't know which program to use. Should I use C++ or Visual Basic? Or are there any other programs for beginners I never heard of?


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If you're just looking to learn, C++.

If you're looking to accomplish a specific task, more information would be nice.


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I want to mostly create simple games like pong for the beginning.


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I suggest you start with one of either Java, C++ or C#. Each have good, free, development environments you can use.

I believe there is a thread in this folder about 'what programming language should I learn' if you dig a little bit. :) IIRC, it has some good advice and general information for you.


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Thanks for that information. I am probably going to start with Visual Basic 6.0 because I heard that it is a liitle simpler then C++.


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Not a good idea for what you want


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Now I can finally start programming. Thanks a lot for evryones comments. I will definitely use C++.


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"And Kybo_Ren looked down from high and said, 'Let there be flame bait!' and there was flame bait."

Actually, I agree with Kybo_Ren and many of the people on the board in the link.


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Sorry if that is going to start a flame war!


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Cplusplus wrote:
"And Kybo_Ren looked down from high and said, 'Let there be flame bait!' and there was flame bait."

Actually, I agree with Kybo_Ren and many of the people on the board in the link.


That's not flame bait. VB sucks rocks. Everyone knows that. :D


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Error: Fallacy. The fallacy of type "hasty generalization" was detected. ;)

But seriously, I think most of us here agree on that, and if there is a Flame War, well, too bad.


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Cplusplus wrote:
Error: Fallacy. The fallacy of type "hasty generalization" was detected. ;)

But seriously, I think most of us here agree on that, and if there is a Flame War, well, too bad.


If I paint with broad strokes, you can think of it as efficiency rather than inaccuracy.

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lol :lol:
Yeah, even people who I know who are taking VB classes say VB sucks. I don't know why it's still in existence. I mean, heck, if you want a simple GUI system, then use C#!


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 Post subject: I dissagree
PostPosted: Tue Oct 26, 2004 11:53 am 
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Annoy me as much as you want but I am a Visual Basic programmer and to tell you the truth I love it. There is very little syntax to know as opposed to c languages and it is good for simple applications for specific needs. I suggest VB for begginners because if you are going to code as a hobbyist, VB is the way to go, but if you want to code as a professional, maybe C# is better. This whole conversation however leaves a little bit of an issue with picking sides since VB and C# have startling similarities.


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One of the main reasons I dislike VB is that I find it unreadable. There is really no syntax. For me, I can visualize things easier when I use (,),{,}, etc. Even a simply function looks like gibberish to me, and thousands of lines of code just looks like someone started mashing on a keyboard.

Also, I like the STL. The STL is just so convenient. Sure, I could have written parts I needed in programs by myself, but the STL is so much better than what I could do -- it's fast, much more stable than any implementation of mine could be, and it is easy to use.

I also just like the level of C++. It's not so low-level that understanding it becomes difficult (like thousands of pages of asm), but it's not so high-level that you don't have the level of control over things.

Also, why do people hate pointers? Sure they can cause some nasty bugs if you use them wrong, but any decent debugger will find them for you (if you can't find them on your own). They are extremely useful.

I also like the ability to create unions. Does Java support unions? No. Does VB? Not natively.

Also, since C was used to build Unix and Linux, I suggest learning C if you plan on doing any modifications of the *nix operating system. If you don't want to learn C straight up, then I suggest C# -- C-like syntax using managed extensions and forms, mixed with Java (which in turn is based upon C++). That would make the transition to C a bit easier.

Overall though, it boils down to your choice. If you want to use VB, go ahead. If you want to use assembly, go ahead. If you want to use C or C++, then do.


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