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What is your favorite programming language?
C / C++ 37%  37%  [ 16 ]
Java / C# 7%  7%  [ 3 ]
Basic / VB 21%  21%  [ 9 ]
Perl 2%  2%  [ 1 ]
Python 5%  5%  [ 2 ]
PHP 12%  12%  [ 5 ]
PHP 12%  12%  [ 5 ]
Lisp or Prolog 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Man, I got lost and wandered into here - what the hell is this about? 5%  5%  [ 2 ]
Total votes : 43
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 27, 2004 7:12 pm 
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That's new to me, Maxx ... whatcha use it for?

You beat me with the 'what the hell is that?!' :)

http://www.fvtc.edu/tp2.asp?ID=Certificates&pix=064


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No. In fact, I'm hoping the Python folks decide to change their name to something that doesn't begin with a P that way I can just ignore any of the P___ languages. :)


So what do you think? Bython? Cython? Lython? #ython? 8)

I'm thinking Qython is a good name. IIRC, Python'ers sometimes use QT for gui's. What is your app written in Qython/QT. :)


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VB but only because I'm too stoopid to learn anything more sophisticated. Spring Semester I'm going to take a Java I and II accelerated course.

I have done some perl scripting and I've tinkered with php before, though.


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That's new to me, Maxx ... whatcha use it for?

You beat me with the 'what the hell is that?!' :)

http://www.fvtc.edu/tp2.asp?ID=Certificates&pix=064


Nifty. Thanks for researching that. I suppose I could have used google, but I'm lazy today. :P


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VB but only because I'm too stoopid to learn anything more sophisticated. Spring Semester I'm going to take a Java I and II accelerated course.


You ain't stoopid, youse ignant. ;)

You'll find java easy, I bet ... but if you have trouble, you've got a brand new folder full of people happy to help you out. :D


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VB but only because I'm too stoopid to learn anything more sophisticated. Spring Semester I'm going to take a Java I and II accelerated course.


You ain't stoopid, youse ignant. ;)

You'll find java easy, I bet ... but if you have trouble, you've got a brand new folder full of people happy to help you out. :D

I was going to make a comment about BASIC and VB being ahead of Java/C# and tied with C/C++ - but I'll refrain.... No, screw that - what is wrong with you people?! :)

The first vote - well, I knew that was Dexter, and I was able to comprehend and accept the anomaly. After all, there is always an anomaly. Someone always 'gets it' and is able to utilize the unconventional to great purpose. I reasoned that the second vote had to be a mistake - someone meant to vote for either Java/C# or Perl, but lost their mouse coordination and voted wrong. But a third person has chosen B/VB and now worlds are colliding. Is this possible? Is there a tractable solution/explaination for this outcome? This is the equivalent of a favorite cpu poll and somehow Via wins!


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To program one of these: http://www.aerotech.ch/bilder/maschpark/okuma_001.jpg


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But a third person has chosen B/VB and now worlds are colliding. Is this possible? Is there a tractable solution/explaination for this outcome? This is the equivalent of a favorite cpu poll and somehow Via wins!


:lol:

I agree completely. The fact that BASIC still exists shocks me. It needs to GOTO the damn trashbin and recycle itself.

Incidentally ... VB == Via, BASIC == Cyrix.


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Damn, Maxx. That is sweet looking.

I have no idea what it is, but I can imagine Arnold holding someone's head in it while it perforates their skull, and then saying something witty like "You need reprograaaaaming."


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That is cool.... :) Why don't you start a thread on this unusual language or CNC machines in general so that we can bounce some questions off of you. Like....

Do you actually write a program on that keypad display thingie?
Are there any software simulators?
Can you dump a Maya model into it and have it create it?
How would I make a cube or sphere using that language/machine?


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VB but only because I'm too stoopid to learn anything more sophisticated. Spring Semester I'm going to take a Java I and II accelerated course.


You ain't stoopid, youse ignant. ;)

You'll find java easy, I bet ... but if you have trouble, you've got a brand new folder full of people happy to help you out. :D


Yeah I was gonna take Java I this summer, and the instructor said that with my VB and perl experience that the class would move too slow for me. I think by mid-August they'll be on loops (the class started in May).

For an MIS degree, all you do is VB, but I wanted to expand my knowledge, so I'm cheating into the land of ICS to get some java and web app knowledge.


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I didn't want to kill it because then we would have to make fun of php, which would start a huge flamewar. :)


What? PHP is a *gasp* language? :twisted: I didn't know that!?! I must have missed the memo. :wink:

I have a love/hate relationship with PHP. It's free, it's easy, but good grief, structured programming went out the window aeons ago. OOP is where it's at!

BTW, look at PHP5, it's supposed to be fully OOP.

No. In fact, I'm hoping the Python folks decide to change their name to something that doesn't begin with a P that way I can just ignore any of the P___ languages. :)


:? Haters.... If you guys had skills then PHP wouldn't be a problem ;)


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I am very partial to C++. I am somewhat familiar with Java but I haven't really learned how to do a simple Hello World program.

I abhor Visual Basic but I understand and appreciate it's use in the business world.

As for C#, it seems pretty nifty, but it remains to be seen how it will work out in the long run.

What I am waiting for is the next ISO standard of C++. Looks like it will fix a lot of issues that C++ has, that C# resolved in their own way.


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:? Haters.... If you guys had skills then PHP wouldn't be a problem ;)


aaaaww...we still love you, even if you program in *gasp* PHP.... :twisted:


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Yeah I was gonna take Java I this summer, and the instructor said that with my VB and perl experience that the class would move too slow for me. I think by mid-August they'll be on loops (the class started in May).


When I started my CS degree, I was allowed into an accelerated class that sounds similar to this one. The first year of CS at my school required two terms of Java (along with maths and sciences and a seminar in personal hygiene [1]) but they also offered a compressed class in which 2 terms of java were compressed into one.

It was still pretty damn slow, IMO. :P

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For an MIS degree, all you do is VB, but I wanted to expand my knowledge, so I'm cheating into the land of ICS to get some java and web app knowledge.


Sounds like a damn good plan to me ... you can't know too much, and management should always have some idea what they're workers are doing. :) Enjoy!

[1]: joke.


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:? Haters.... If you guys had skills then PHP wouldn't be a problem ;)


aaaaww...we still love you, even if you program in *gasp* PHP.... :twisted:


:) Someone has to write the forum you are using to blast PHP ;)


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:) Someone has to write the forum you are using to blast PHP ;)


Or they can write it in C++ :)


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Ya! Thats right. I'm lost, there I said it!

Now if you could please escort me to the nearest overclocked hot rod running the game, instead of being by an over-caffienated guru developing the game :P


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I didn't want to kill it because then we would have to make fun of php, which would start a huge flamewar. :)


What? PHP is a *gasp* language? :twisted: I didn't know that!?! I must have missed the memo. :wink:

I have a love/hate relationship with PHP. It's free, it's easy, but good grief, structured programming went out the window aeons ago. OOP is where it's at!

BTW, look at PHP5, it's supposed to be fully OOP.

No. In fact, I'm hoping the Python folks decide to change their name to something that doesn't begin with a P that way I can just ignore any of the P___ languages. :)


:? Haters.... If you guys had skills then PHP wouldn't be a problem ;)

OK - let us just take a quick glance at the string functions in PHP, shall we?

OK, first off all. What am I dealing with here? Is this a class? A package? Is it literally a "refernce to string functions" (jk)? Or just an html page of functions that either manipulate or return a string? Well, here is the clairfication, "These functions all manipulate strings in various ways." Well, I guess we don't need to include or import anything. Onwards...

After clicking the link, the first thing that jumps out is the sheer number of functions. It is actually a bit overwhelming. A large library is good - saves plenty of time. Assuming that you navigate the library! They need to break things into smaller, less general, subdivisions. For example, the date, number and money formating functions should be seperated from things like strlen. Ditto for the md5 stuff. Why not have a md5 section? What does getting the md5 hash from a filename have to do with strings anyways? If they're going to lump 50+ functions together like this, they should seperate the commonly used string functions like strlen from things like similiar_text (an intersting n^3 recursive function, so now if I have some php source code, I know of at least one function that will at least bog and will likely crash the system ;)).

Why do so many of the example say that the output may look like... this does not inspire confidence! And how come they don't have a strtoint or something similiar in there?

And then it dawns on us, the real reason that many of us don't like PHP is because in a world that long ago accepted OOP as a superior paradigm for creating and maintaining 95% of all applications, there are still those holdouts who love global variables, find mains the length of a football field appealing, who prefer using a variety of 'print' and 'scan' functions to using overloaded << and >> operators, and don't mind jumping between a dizzying array of scripting and markup languages - because they'll never reuse any of it anyways! :P

All kidding aside, after we start dissecting ACM and TC problem statements, I think a number of us would appreciate it if you were to provide php solutions. Hopefully, we can get Manta to provide the python equivalent and Colby or JoseTann to do Perl solutions as well.


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Kiddig aside, I'll backup Gadget in lieu of your writing PHP solutions. I have to admit that your PHP is very good code (after checking out your Folding file that you sent me).

While PHP4 is not high on my list (I've practically given up on PHP4), PHP5 seems to interest me due to its [supposed] full implementation of OOP. PHP4's OOP implementation is both lacking and a joke, I'm hoping that PHP5 will relieve that of PHP4.

Anyhow, I look forward to your posting PHP solutions and whatnot. I may work on ASP.NET or JSP, maybe I'll leave JSP to Gadget and I'll focus on ASP.NET. :P If I get bored, I may do some CGI work in C++. That's what boredom does to ya ;)


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