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 Post subject: GTX 680 tapes out: release date is late Q3 2012
PostPosted: Tue Feb 07, 2012 5:30 am 
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http://semiaccurate.com/2012/02/07/gk11 ... t-at-last/

Part just taped out, products take 6-8 months after tapeout to reach market. That is *if* there are no problems with the engineering samples.

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With the size of GK104 now pretty settled, what about the big one? Sources are now saying this chip might be called GK110, but we are still hearing some insiders say GK112. Lets stick with GK110 for the article though, numbers ending in 0 tend to soothe moles more than numbers ending in 2.
Recently, a Taiwanese dancing mole, hair died green and still a bit hung over from New Year parties, gave us the answer. He said that GK110 is basically reticle limited, about 23.5mm on a side. The math says that it is about 550mm^2, with the last two generations coming in at 529/550mm^2 (GF100/GF110 respectively) and 576mm^2 for GT200.
The reason for the vagueness it that the chip just taped out a few weeks ago. Current green-topped roadmaps not from green topped moles have the release date slated for August/September. While this is quite possible, several of SemiAccurate’s sources with prior experience bringing high performance silicon to market scoffed at the time tables. Either way, late Q3 2012 is a decent mental placeholder.
One thing the mole said when he looked up with somewhat bleary eyes is that the chip definitely has a 384-bit memory bus. Other documents have the part burning close to 300W, and you can read two things in to this number. First is that this part is very likely to be an HPC oriented chip with the CU count, and attendant power-hungry interconnect, being notably higher than GK104. Second is that the rumours of GK100 being cancelled early in the game are likely true, they said problems revolved around interconnects and power issues.
Will GK110 solve these, and therefore Denver’s similar problems? Will it pull ‘only’ 300W, or will we get another Fermi-esqe performance per watt waterfall? Will GK110 be skewed toward HPC like the early leaks suggested? Will it once again come at the cost of gaming performance? Will there even be a consumer variant, or will it be professional/compute only? Some of these questions can be answered when silicon comes back. Others are a little more subjective. No matter what happens, this will be fun to watch.S|A


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 07, 2012 5:44 am 
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that's a lot of rumors and conjectures in that "article" aka blog post, but I still am pretty skeptical that the 680 had any real chance of coming out in Q1 despite the rumors.


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 Post subject: Re: GTX 680 tapes out: release date is late Q3 2012
PostPosted: Tue Feb 07, 2012 7:42 am 
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Charlie, if you aren't aware has many contacts within the industry. He had leaked info on Fermi which all turned out to be true, he leaked specs and details on the GTX 480 months before release. And again, all were correct.

Not all is lost however, GK104 is still being released around the May timeframe, according to rumors. NV is doing a staggered release from the bottom up this time.


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Its still hearsay at this point, no matter if he's trustworthy or not. Not going to put a lot of faith on a blog post as an unofficial official release date of a product that hasn't seen any public working prototypes.

And honestly, Charlie isn't the friendly or trustworthy type of name... Cause they be coming from the bushes... (that was a joke... if you don't get it, then you need to read up on history)


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 07, 2012 2:19 pm 
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Looks like this could be AMD's year with next-gen GPUs unless something comes out soon on the Kepler end. Sad to say it, but...looks like there's not be as much competition if this keeps up.
Hate to sound like the "glass half empty" guy in this thread, but...we gotta face facts here. If nVidia doesn't keep up to their end of the bargain and kill these rumors in their tracks, then what hope is there for a next-gen card on the horizon from the big green giant?


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 07, 2012 3:39 pm 
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are you kidding me? not much competition? wtf? Finally we get some awesome AMD cards to rival against the 580's... I mean AMD has been quite lack luster to compete against the 580 for the last year and probably the reason why nvidia is taking their time for kepler.

And what facts need to be faced? AMD holds a shitty small portion of the gpu market and even a smaller potion of the cpu market. Nvidia is still king in the gpu world but good to see AMD making a come back again.

I'm not ever so excited about the 680 anyhow, I have my eyes on the mid range cards that should be coming out this or next month. Hoping they drive the price on the older 500 series, maybe grab a 4th 570, then upgrade to the 2011 chips.


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 9:12 am 
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That's good for me. You know how it is. Buy 2 580s and you're the top dog, then the next top dog comes out and you're living in mediocrity again. I too hope this will drive down prices on the 500 series cards. I'd like to go 3 way 580s. But not for another $500. If the leaked specs turn out to be true the 680s are gonna be nuts.


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 21, 2012 10:06 am 
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If leaked performance specs of the 600 series are true, then where does this put AMD? When AMD comes out with the 8000 series, are they going to use it as a marketing tool and go "Look, we're another generation ahead of NVIDIA!" even though it's 10%-15% difference? Are we going to have a game of cat and mouse more so than follow the leader?

I'm also wondering where AMD is putting its eggs.


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 21, 2012 10:44 am 
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AMD has had some incredibly powerful cards in the past for dirt cheap. Remember the 4850x2? I got one for $220 when it was still relatively new and it was dern near as fast as a gtx 280, which I had 3 of. Slap 2 4850x2 in your rig and that's juice, for less than a single 280. I guess my point is they should design more dual GPU cards like that. Plus that bizzle had quad DVIs, nice.


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AMD is putting their eggs in price/performance and performance/wattage categories. AMD just kills nvidia's line up from the cheap $40 cards all the way to $330 near the top of the line cards; even now with the $500+ 7970, it still hits a better price point than the 580 currently.

As for nvidia's kepler, they have been talking about how it's suppose to be 2x the performance of Fermi's since they made that chart years ago. Take it with a grain of salt. It just seems like they are doubling everything of the fermi chip, die shrink it and call it a new platform. But what do I know? Its' all paper benchmarking at this point.

And besides, the 680 is suppose to have a crazy price of like $700-800 msrp or something. Makes you wonder if they'll make a 690 and cost $1600 for one? god damn! You know they'll do it and people would still buy it. Then you are going to get those people on forums who ask if they can fit it inside their $50 case... hehe


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 21, 2012 10:55 am 
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Lol, yeah. The 680 won't be twice as fast as a 580, there's no way. So there's no way that justifies a $700 price tag, especially considering other options in that price range. Like 3 570s, I'm thinking ahead of course.


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Glad I got my three 570's already out of the way then. But its sad that I just use one to game and fold on the other two... LOL What a waste.


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 21, 2012 11:21 am 
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Agreed. That is really sad. However, I have those 3 280s sitting in the closet. I've read that AMD cards are superior for folding. No first hand experience, I mainly game on my rig.


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Actually, Nvidia cards are orders of magnitude better than AMD for folding. I'm not exactly sure what the exact PPD, but people have said they were able to get around 4-5k PPD with a 6950, which is pathetic to my 570's which get 15-20k PPD. The 280's would yield 8-10k PPD. They were suppose to have the new AMD gpu clients but I haven't read anything about it since I don't run AMD anymore.

Its funny because AMD cards have a way more TeraFlops of calculating power to comparable Nvidia cards (1.4TFlops 570 vs. 2.25 6950).


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 22, 2012 8:04 pm 
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creeping-death wrote:
Charlie, if you aren't aware has many contacts within the industry. He had leaked info on Fermi which all turned out to be true, he leaked specs and details on the GTX 480 months before release. And again, all were correct.

Not all is lost however, GK104 is still being released around the May timeframe, according to rumors. NV is doing a staggered release from the bottom up this time.



All true?! Try again, he said it would be slower than the 5870, that wasn't truie.


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 Post subject: Re: GTX 680 tapes out: release date is late Q3 2012
PostPosted: Sun Mar 04, 2012 6:21 am 
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Hate to break it to you, but according to LenzFire, nVidia did confirm that the GTX 680 would be released just after Easter:
http://lenzfire.com/2012/02/entire-nvid ... ate-43823/

...and also, the pricing looks a bit steep on that GPU as well. Seems like I might have to settle for a GTX 670 instead.
Oh well, at least that'll still be better than what AMD has on the market, so either the 670 or 680 will work.


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 04, 2012 6:36 am 
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hate to break? you mean fantastic news if the PR is correct.

Sounds pretty nice and definitely can't wait till we see some proper reviews. The pricing on the 680 isn't that steep considering everyone was expecting more like 700-800 price point. The $1000 for the 690 is crazy, but yeah, I was really hoping for the entire line to be a little bit cheaper and reasonable. Specially the 660 ti. So its going to be coinciding with the April 8th release of Ivy Bridge... how cute


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 04, 2012 6:52 am 
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Yeah, you're probably right. Although I still would like to see proof that this will work with both the original 3D Vision and 3D Vision 2 as well. Having a 32" 240Hz 3D LED HDTV that I have my rig hooked up to, having the rest of the equipment would be nice. I'm eyeing both the GTX 670 and maybe the wired glasses kit (don't want to have to replace batteries, if I don't have to).


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The biggest down side is the fairly low vram buffer on the 660ti's and above. Would have at least expect no less than 2GB and up for $400+ cards. I mean once you start getting above 1080p, multi monitor gaming, 3d with all the bells and whisles turned on; you could easily eat through 2gb with just a few of those options at the same time, if not all. I mean even on BF3 with 1200p resolution in ultra with everything else maxed can take 1400-1600MB; add 3d and it jumps up to 1800-2200MB.


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 Post subject: Re: GTX 680 tapes out: release date is late Q3 2012
PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2012 5:34 pm 
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I'm not sure if it's just me, but looking at the number 6 in the GPU number, I think we just discovered our very first Kepler card in a laptop:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... mepage2011

Although I'm still waiting for the desktop Kepler GPUs, tho.


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