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 Post subject: Verizon Wireless (and other wireless co's)
PostPosted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 5:30 pm 
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Ok so it's time to upgrade my Env phone. My 2 years is almost up and they qualify me for my new every 2 program.

I look very carefully through all of the phones and fall in love with the HTC Ozone. The main features I like are Mobile Windows and WiFi.
I figure I can access internet using my home WiFi or the WiFi at the local hotspots in my area.
When I log into my account the website tells me my discount and that the phone is compatible with my current plan. COOL!

Not cool. I decide that before I order over the net I'd run to the local Verizon store to check it out in person.
The salesman tells me that it's NOT compatible with my plan and I would have to purchace a data plan to get the phone. Ugh!

The whole reason I was looking for a WiFi capable phone was to bypass the need to get a data plan.
So what they are telling us is, you can't access the internet for free unless you pay us to access the internet through us first.
What a scam.
Reminds me of the printer scam where the ink costs more than buying a new computer.


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 10:09 am 
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AT&T has started this too.

In order to purchase a new smart phone and use it on the AT&T network, you have to get a data plan.

A shame since I was planning on getting a smart phone myself (with WiFi of course) this year.


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Unless Verizon has changed their rules recently (like, in < the last 6 months), that's bull.
I'm on my second WinMobile phone from them (third, if you count a warranty replacement of my first Q), and have never signed up for a data plan.
Initial outlay for the phone is a little higher without signing a data plan, yes; but, they'll still do it.
And, yes - I got my SMT5800 under 'new every two', too.


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I was just told by my boss that AT&T just started doing the same thing.
If you buy a PDA/smartphone, a data plan is required.

Too many people were buying phones without the data plan so they made it a requirement.

I'll call again cup and see what they say. Hopefully it's all in who you talk to. :roll:

In fact, maybe I'll just order the damn phone and see if the website automatically puts the data plan on it.


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well, look at it this way - if you are in an area with no wireless, you would still have to use the wireless company's network. And don't the phone calls use the network? only thing that uses the wifi is data like IM and web, right?


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hackman2007 wrote:
AT&T has started this too.

In order to purchase a new smart phone and use it on the AT&T network, you have to get a data plan.

A shame since I was planning on getting a smart phone myself (with WiFi of course) this year.


Rogers, in Canada, does the same thing. The only way to get an iPhone without a data plan is to buy it outright. If you want to buy an iPhone at the subsidized rates, you have to sign up for a data plan.

Since they are subsidizing 5-600$ of the cost of the phone, I can see their point .. but it can be infuriating dealing with their customer service. My gf has an iPhone 3G that I found for cheap on craigslist .. and getting it activated and onto a month-to-month plan has been a massive headache.


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Queenof1 wrote:
well, look at it this way - if you are in an area with no wireless, you would still have to use the wireless company's network. And don't the phone calls use the network? only thing that uses the wifi is data like IM and web, right?


Not really.

My iPhone usage is clearly divided on each bill into wireless air time (phone calls) and data. Although both are transmitted on the 3G network, they are quite capable of telling them apart. Same network, different traffic.

It is like your ISP being able to tell the difference between UDP and TCP packets. They are both pushed through the same 'net connection but there are obvious differences.

Similarly, it is possible for the wireless company to accept one and not the other. They could allow my iPhone to continue to receive calls while not allowing data transmission at all.

Oh, and among the things that my phone does that require data:
a) google maps and GPS
b) email
c) web access (obviously)
d) streaming media
e) visual voicemail

Most of the apps on my phone require data transmission and without a data connection, it would be nearly useless as my personal assistant.


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I have a Dell Axim (Pocket PC)that I can carry with me when I'm on trips that I can access internet on if I'm near a hot spot. It does everything the HTC Ozone does except handle phones calls. It would be nice to have a phone and Axim all in one. Enter the Ozone.

I don't "need" to access the internet with my phone at anytime. Therefore a phone with WiFi would be perfect for me without a $30-$40 data plan that I would rarely use. I also like the idea of having Windows Mobile on the phone. It's gives me many more options than having the crap OS most phones have on them. If I want to remote into my computer at home, Windows Mobile and a simple Wifi connection and I'm in. The list is endless. Now if I had a business that required me to have email and Web at anytime, I could understand buying a data plan. For me, I don't need or want it. It is more of a toy, a hobby you might say. It just pisses me off that although it "can" be done, they won't allow it....now.


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