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 Post subject: Dream Machine 2013 Predictions
PostPosted: Sat Jul 13, 2013 10:50 pm 
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Last year about this time, I posted my predictions on what equipment would be used on Dream Machine 2012.. http://www.maximumpc.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=140875 .. so thought I would do it again, hoping to achieve decent enough results to be able to keep my crystal ball users license for another year. My September 2012 issue arrived by mail on July 24th so we all should be getting this year's issue fairly soon. Hard to believe but this will be the 18th year and 22nd Dream Machine ever created. So after racking my noggin and this year using PCPartPicker.com to help me out, this is what I came up with. Feel free to criticize/laugh at/mock my choices which, given my track record since my predictions last year were less than stellar, should be easy to do!! But it was a fun mental exercise to do even if I might completely suck at it!!

P.S.. as a qualifier, PCPartPicker doesn't list every available part so I was a little constrained on a few choices, but that site is good at flagging any incompatibilities as well as showing wattage used and equipment capabilities, like which motherboards could handle quad video cards.

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Mobo
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Asus Maximus VI Extreme ATX LGA1150 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131974 --> one of a very few mobos which can handle quad video cards


CPU
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Intel Core i7-4770K http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116901 --> Since MaxPC has, so far, only published one build with the new Haswell CPU, I figure this is what they will use. I doubt Gordon/Josh could steal or bribe someone to give them an AMD FX-9590 or Intel Ivy Bridge-E i7-4960X but, if that did happen, that would be a huge surprise and wonderful feather in MaxPC's proverbial cap!! Let's hope their 4770K can be overclocked to 4.8 or 4.9GHz, although Techreport.com wrote "Of the processors Asus has tested, 70% hit 4.5GHz, 30% reached 4.6GHz, and 20% made 4.7GHz. Only 10% were stable at 4.8GHz." http://techreport.com/review/24889/haswell-overclocked-the-core-i7-4770k-at-4-7ghz


RAM
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Corsair Vengeance 32GB (4 x 8GB) DDR3-2133 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820233333 --> They maxed out the RAM on the motherboard last year so feel they will do the same thing this year. And will stick with 2133 speed since, again according to the TechReport article mentioned above.. "higher memory speeds can limit CPU overclocking". If a RAM disk is used like last year, then 16GB will be used for that.


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4 (four) EVGA 06G-P4-2791-KR GeForce GTX TITAN http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130899 --> PCPartPicker didn't give me many TITAN choices so went with the highest core clock listed. GPUBoss.com has the TITAN as their overall fastest videocard which is good enough for me to choice 4 of them, especially since Gordon wrote on pg. 76 of the Aug 2013 issue.. "SLI can't beat tri-SLI". So it is logical to assume "Tri-SLI can't beat quad-SLI"!! Gordon might also want to try quad-SLI just to test out if there is enough PCI 3.0 bandwidth for this configuration!! Also, MaxPC doesn't like using the same parts as used the year before, and last year the 690 was used.


Storage
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C drive - 2 (in RAID 0) Samsung 840 Pro Series 512GB http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820147194 --> SSDBoss.com has this as their fastest SSD, StorageReview.com has it highly rated, and MaxPC has it listed as their "best of the best" hard drive-performance choice.

D, E & F drives - 3 Hitachi Ultrastar 7K4000 4TB 3.5" 7200RPM http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822145622 --> StorageReview has this drive listed as it's top choice for "consumer performance hard drives". DM2012 had 3 hard drives that were not specified if they were using RAID or not, but DM2011's 3 hard drives were seperated into "backups", "high-def video" and "everything else" so perhaps DM2012 was also done that same way.


Case
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Corsair Obsidian Series 900D http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811139019 --> There was a discussion about the term "super tower" on podcast #206 and since this term is, recently, only used in referring to the 900D, this must be the case the podcast crew was referring to (although the Rosewill Blackhawk Ultra Gaming Super Tower also has this term in it's name but is an old case, being around since 2011)


Soundcard
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Haaaaaaaaaaa.. don't make me laugh!! Dream Machine don't need no stinkin' soundcard!! No soundcard has been used on a Dream Machine since 2010!!


Speakers
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Mirage NANOSAT 5.1 5.1CH Home Theater System http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA1J70M09377 (OOS) --> The price of the speakers used during the past two years has been $400 and $250, so these at $499 aren't all that much more expensive. Personally I use inexpensive (AKA cheap) headphones and ear buds when listening to music or computer stuff, so have no clue what to pick here. But this system is 12 out of 12 for getting 5 egg reviews at Newegg so they must be decent. I could care less about this category so it is either the above or these.. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA0AT0MB7790


PSU
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LEPA G Series G1600-MA 1600W http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817494006 --> PCPartPicker estimates that my predicted configuration will consume 1275 watts so going with the highest possible wattage PSU only makes sense, especially if overclocking is involved. As for this particular PSU, I predicted this one last year so am sticking with it!! Besides, it's JonnyGuru recommended.. what more do you want?


Watercooling
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Corsair H100i http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835181032 --> Two of the past three Dream Machines have had custom CPU & GPU watercooling. But DM2011, which had a Sandy Bridge 2600K as it's CPU, just used a Corsair H100 and stock GPU coolers, so I feel DM2013 will do the same thing, and using a Corsair part on a Corsair case is easy peasy!!


Optical
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Lite-On IHBS312-98 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827106381 (deactivated here but available at other places) --> No optical was used on DM2012. When this was discussed in the forums, Josh responded that "We installed Windows from a removable drive - no need for an optical drive these days. Speaking personally, I only use my personal optical drive to burn CD-Rs to listen to in my car, but I'm the only person I know who does this. All my software is online. I can't even remember the last time I bought something on physical media. http://www.maximumpc.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=141481 .. but I think one will be used this year, if nothing else due to popular demand!!


Monitor(s)
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3 Asus VG248QE http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236313 --> About 51% of my brain thinks DM2013 will have these 144Hz monitors while the other 49% thinks it will use monitors with a higher resolution like 2560 x 1600. My actual first thought was that it will use 2 super high res monitors but the center one will be a touch screen monitor, but since the highest resolution I could find for those are 1920 x 1200, that eliminates using higher res monitors for the left & right. And since touch monitors are not yet at 144Hz, makes no since to use with those monitors either. Last year, only two 2560 x 1600 monitors were used (no real explanation on why) while three 1920 x 1080s were used for DM2011. I feel, with so many TITANs under the hood, that gaming will emphasized this year and, with the earlier in the year excitement over 144Hz monitors, MaxPC will go my predicted route this year!!


Keyboard & Mouse
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Corsair Vengeance K95 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16823816013 & Corsair Vengeance M95 Wired Laser [url]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16826816013[/url ]--> Hard to go wrong with using Corsair!! The K90 keyboard was used last year so why change, and why not use it's companion mouse. I picked the "white" version since a white R.A.T. was used on DM2012


OS
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Microsoft Windows 8 Professional (OEM) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832416552 --> Big freakin' surprise I picked this!! I personally would rather use Microsoft Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 64-bit - OEM http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116997.. but doubt Gordon will let this happen!!


Custom Paint Job
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The past two Dream Machines have been painted so figure this trend will continue. As for color, I will only predict it won't be painted pink!!

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PCPartPicker.com has this system coming out at $9590.35. Can view my saved build at http://pcpartpicker.com/user/Insula-Gilliganis/saved/1Wr0


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 Post subject: Re: Dream Machine 2013 Predictions
PostPosted: Sun Jul 14, 2013 10:53 am 
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great post.....wish i could contradict....pretty perfect though :wink: :wink: :P


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 Post subject: Re: Dream Machine 2013 Predictions
PostPosted: Tue Jul 16, 2013 6:13 pm 
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If this were my Dream Machine, it would include a sound card. Why pair up a good sound system with a mediocre sound card? And Corsair H100i? Child's play. Replace those Titans with http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6814130913 and run a custom water cooling loop that goes through everything.

As for the keyboard... It's subjective, but I don't like Reds. I prefer Browns.


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 Post subject: Re: Dream Machine 2013 Predictions
PostPosted: Fri Jul 19, 2013 4:52 pm 
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Nice job!

I think you're pretty on target for everything except the monitors. With quad Titans, I'm guessing they'll go for a 4k monitor. I don't think they'll get 2 (doesn't make sense for gaming) and 3 maybe too much, even for 4 Titans.

Keyboards, mice and speakers are so random, it's impossible to guess. Personally, I'm guessing the speakers will be a Bowers & Wilkins.


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 Post subject: Re: Dream Machine 2013 Predictions
PostPosted: Fri Jul 19, 2013 6:19 pm 
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Well, considering AMD wanted to push 5760*2160 with two Radeon HD5870s (and they did), I don't see a problem with 3-4 Titans pushing three 4K monitors (11520x2160 resolution) in Surround Gaming.


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 Post subject: Re: Dream Machine 2013 Predictions
PostPosted: Fri Jul 19, 2013 10:09 pm 
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- Thanks Haranded and btdog for the kind words. I felt pretty good about my predictions last year and ended up missing a lot more than I hit. But nice to know that others are basically agreeing with my choices which makes me feel like at least I am close to the mark this year.


- LatiosXT, I agree with you about the sound card. I predicted one last year and also would put one in if this was my personal $10,000+ machine, but with two years without one, I am not betting on it happening this year. There isn't even a sound card listed in the "best of the best" even though their Feb. 2013 review of the "Creative Sound Blaster ZxR" got an 8 with quotes such as "we think the sound card still has some life in it" and "far better gaming audio than onboard". LatiosXT, you gave good reasons last September why sound cards have been replaced by onboard sound..

"There's a divide whether or not to get a card meant for audiophiles (which audiophiles tend to say just get a receiver/amp and some large passive speakers) and a card meant for gaming (or jack of all trades) like Creative's. The only problem is Creative's EAX software relied on DirectSound, which Microsoft obsoleted back with Vista. I'm not sure if Creative actually got their EAX to fully work with OpenAL or if any developer really cares anymore." http://www.maximumpc.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=146513


- LatioXT, you may be totally correct about the use of the EVGA 06G-P4-2795-KR cards. Tom, during podcast 207, briefly hinted that the Dream Machine had a lot of water cooling. I don't remember Tom's exact quote but the impression he gave was that DM 2013 would have plenty of tubing in it. My original thinking was that, in building the Dream Machine, the editors try to vary it from year to year. They COULD use GPU water cooling EVERY year but they don't. I decided that this year's build would be similar to DM 2011 which had the GPUs using their stock coolers. I have read in a lot of places how quiet the TITAN's blowers were, which is why I thought the editors would stick with them. But I have a feeling your guess is a lot better than mine on this one.. Hopefully I got the TITAN part right but you probably nailed exactly WHICH TITAN will be used. I still feel confident that there will be four TITANs. Gordon just seemed so enamored with three TITANs that I just can't see him not wanting to test out four of them, especially since it is possible to have four on a motherboard. Four TITANs, theoretically, should be the fastest gaming setup possible. Going with less than four, especially since three has already been done, doesn't fit the "build the fastest, most kick-ass PC we could muster" (quoted from Gordon on pg 2 of the Sept 2011 issue) mentality that "usually" occurs with each September issue (discounting the 1999 and 2009 issues).


- I feel less confident about my storage prediction. I now have a sneaky feeling that Samsung slipped some "just announced" 1TB and above 840 EVO drives a month or so ago for use in DM 2013. Not that it happens often but once in a while the Dream Machine is home to a part that is on a cusp of being released to the general public (ATI 9700 in 2002 & X-Fi in 2005 are examples).


- As for the use of 4K monitors, during podcast 207, the editors briefly mentioned them but I got the impression that they felt that the technology hadn't progressed enough to seriously think of using them yet. Over at PCPER.com, there are a few posts about that site's experience using 4K monitors which has been positive but cautious, meaning it still has bugs to sort through. I doubt the MaxPC editors would want to use technology on a Dream Machine that wasn't rock solid and ready for prime time. Just ask Josh Norem about the "fun" he had with bleeding edge tech (in the form of a RAID card) while working on "Chamsalot P-III 1GHz" (November 2001)!! PCPER just post an article on the ASUS PQ321Q 31.5-in 4K 60 Hz. There was some problems with it working with NVidia cards. Also, 4K monitors don't have a very high refresh rate, and after reading/listening to how excited the MaxPC crew was about 144 Hz monitors, I can't believe they would use something with very low Hz.


-btdog and LatiosXT.. you both commented on my 2012 predictions as well.. thanks for doing so again this year. And LatiosXT, I noticed we joined up here within ten days of each other.. we both just passed the seven year mark.. and since the site rebooted everything in 2004, nine years is about the most anyone can currently have, which kind of makes us "old timers"!! And I do feel old when I think about my first home delivered boot magazine was boot 13, the Dream Machine 1997 issue!! My son, who was two then, is now in college!!


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 Post subject: Re: Dream Machine 2013 Predictions
PostPosted: Sat Jul 20, 2013 2:56 am 
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edit: I just realized my mistake that 4 Titans will still likely beat out Sapphire's upcoming Atomic 7990 in 4-way crossfire. For some reason I thought I could 8-way crossfire but it looks like that's not possible. Here was my attempt for reference:

cpu x2:
Intel Xeon E5-2687W LGA 2011 (effective hexadeca-core system)
mobo:
ASUS Z9PE-D8 WS Dual LGA 2011 Intel C602
gpu x2:
Sapphire Atomic Radeon HD 7990 (ETA: 2 weeks)
ram:
CORSAIR DOMINATOR GT 64GB DDR3 1866 (quad-channel, minimal overclocking)
os drive(s) x4:
Samsung Electronics 840 Pro 256 GB (1TB raid0)
storage drives x4:
WD Red 3TB NAS Hard Drive (9TB raid5)
raid card:
Intel RAID SAS/SATA 8 internal port w/ 512MB cache RS2BL080
psu:
no idea. Will be looking for 1.5kW 80+ silver certified or better. Probably will have to be a custom setup. Pcpartpicker doesn't even list most of the components.
case:
gonna go with Corsair's 800D. The 4 "externally" swappable front drive bays make it appealing for a raid5 box.
optical drive -- is this even necessary???
monitor x2:
ASUS PQ321Q

Server speed, high-performance storage raid, and a kick-ass gaming rig all in one. If Sapphire is a disappointment, then I'll wait until September when Ivy-Bridge-E lands and see the arrival of the Xeon E5 v2 cpu's (as in the new Mac Pro "trash-cans")...you could then have yourself a tetraicosa-core system. Also by then we'll probably have DDR4 memory too. Obviously they've already built theirs but this is my "Dream" Machine.

Preliminary total (minus the PSU and spare RED drives for rebuilding the raid5): $17,602.36


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 Post subject: Re: Dream Machine 2013 Predictions
PostPosted: Sat Jul 20, 2013 4:54 am 
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Long live the IBM Model M!!!

As a happy owner and daily user of 3 Model M keyboards since August of 2007..I couldn't be more pleased or thrilled with your keyboard choice.

(2 of my Model M keyboards are from 1991,the 3rd is a 1995.)


(Sorry if I spoiled anything from the newest issue..)


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 Post subject: Re: Dream Machine 2013 Predictions
PostPosted: Sat Jul 20, 2013 5:37 am 
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I just now realized that Sapphire's release date for their Atomic 7990 immediately coincides with AMD's rumored driver upgrade. Perhaps Sapphire is waiting/betting on AMD to release a stable version that fixes the frame pacing issue before the card is released (and is one of the reasons why it's been delayed.) Set your calendars guys.


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 Post subject: Re: Dream Machine 2013 Predictions
PostPosted: Sat Jul 20, 2013 8:28 am 
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Block_Dude wrote:
Server speed, high-performance storage raid, and a kick-ass gaming rig all in one. If Sapphire is a disappointment, then I'll wait until September when Ivy-Bridge-E lands and see the arrival of the Xeon E5 v2 cpu's (as in the new Mac Pro "trash-cans")...you could then have yourself a tetraicosa-core system. Also by then we'll probably have DDR4 memory too. Obviously they've already built theirs but this is my "Dream" Machine.

I doubt we'll see DDR4 until at least next year. DDR4 isn't just an evolution in throughput like the previous versions. It's a revolutionary change in architecture that requires redesigning of how everyone makes memory controllers.


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 26, 2013 9:43 pm 
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Hopefully, that was enough warning.. I just got my Sept 2013 issue today (July 26).. apparently 6 days later than AMD64Blondie got the same issue.. so time to see just how good/bad/mediocre my sixth sense, clairvoyancy, divination, "looking into the future" abilities were a couple of weeks ago.. and if I have improved any over my last year's prognostication..


TOTAL FAIL

Mobo & CPU
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my pick -- Asus Maximus VI Extreme & Intel Core i7-4770K

DM2013 --Asus Rampage IV Extreme & Intel Core i7-3970X

Not starting out well, am I, especially since I was totally confident on my picks. Really didn't think MaxPC would go with two year old tech but a stable overclocked 5GHz 6/12 core Sandy Bridge-E is hard to resist. Thought they would try instead to explore exactly how high the 4770K could overclock but they left this chip for the "Mini-Me". Guess next year I will be predicting DM 2014 will be using the Haswell "refresh" CPU that is suppose to take place in Q2 2014. I take a little solace in that I predicted they would used a mobo that could handle quad video cards.



More FAIL than SUCCESS

RAM
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my pick -- Corsair Vengeance 32GB (4 x 8GB) DDR3-2133

DM2013 -- Corsair Dominator Platinum 64GB (8 x 8GB)

I knew they would max out the available non-ECC RAM with Corsair so will give myself a smidgen of credit here.. but just a smidgen.



SUCCESS

GPU
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my pick -- 4 EVGA 06G-P4-2791-KR GeForce GTX TITAN

DM2013 -- 4 EVGA 06G-P4-2795-KR Geforce GTX TITAN Hydro Copper

I will give myself full credit on this one since I got almost all of this correct, and will blame PCPartPicker.com for not having the Hydro Copper model for me to pick. I feel picking 4 TITANS as well as the same brand is close enough for full credit. LatioXT nailed this one though, picking the exact EVGA model that was eventually used on DM 2013. I also liked the fact that the article's quote of "The only thing better than Titan SLI is four-way Titan SLI" seems very close to my " "Tri-SLI can't beat quad-SLI" statement!!



Half FAIL, half SUCCESS

Storage
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my pick -- C drive - 2 (in RAID 0) Samsung 840 Pro Series; D, E & F drives - 3 Hitachi Ultrastar 7K4000 4TB

DM2013 -- C drive - 2 (in RAID 0) Samsung 840 Pro Series; 2 Crucial M500 960GB; 3 Western Digital Caviar Black 4TB

Will give myself half credit for getting correctly that the Samsung 840s and three 4TB drives would be used.. but didn't see the 2TBs of Crucial being used. When I read this week about the new Samsung 840 EVO SSDs, was hoping MaxPC got a couple of advanced copies to use in DM 2013 but no such luck. Funny how DM 2013 is just being revealed and already it has "outdated parts" on it.. the 840 Pro will be superseded next month by the EVO (and the CPU a couple of months later).


SUCCESS

Case
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my pick -- Corsair Obsidian Series 900D

DM2013 -- Corsair 900D

I originally wrote in my predication, in a joking way, that I hoped MaxPC would use the fake "beige" version of this case (seen here.. http://www.corsair.com/us/900d-seb) but I eventually took that part out as I was trying to be serious in my picks.. wish I had kept it in as doing so would have made me look like an uber-genius!!

Image

Have to think that the editors used this April Fool's Day gag from Corsair as inspiration for DM 2013's motif.




SUCCESS

Soundcard
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my pick -- none

DM2013 -- none

Third year in a row no soundcard has been used. I spot a trend!!



More SUCCESS than FAIL

Speakers
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my pick -- Mirage NANOSAT 5.1 5.1CH Home Theater System

DM2013 -- none

What?? No speakers.. not even any headphones picked?? First time in a long time, if ever, that a Dream Machine had no speakers. So even though I have NO idea how my speakers sound, they have to sound better than NONE!!



SUCCESS

PSU
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my pick -- LEPA G Series G1600-MA 1600W

DM2013 -- LEPA G1600-MA

Nailed this one!! After my second year of predicting this PSU, I feel that I can take a little credit in getting it actually used this year (wow.. am I egotistical or what).



FAIL


Watercooling
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my pick -- Corsair H100i

DM2013 -- custom CPU & GPU water cooling

My failure at picking the exact model of TITANs led me to underestimate how much water cooling DM 2013 would have.



SUCCESS

Optical
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my pick -- Lite-On IHBS312-98

DM2013 -- Pioneer BDR-208DBK

Even though I got the model wrong, I will give myself full credit for the fact of predicting that an optical drive would be used this year after DM 2012 didn't have one, as well as writing WHY one will be used this year.. "I think one will be used this year, if nothing else due to popular demand!!" And I was correct.. "Last year, we made the.. decision to jettison the optical drive from Dream Machine.. boy, did we get an angry earful!" (pg. 34)



TOTAL FAIL

Monitor(s)
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my pick -- 3 Asus VG248QE

DM2013 -- Asus PQ321

Apparently everyone (here and over at my PCPartPicker post) except me predicted DM 2013 would use a 4K monitor. I vastly overestimated the editor's love of 144 Hz monitors plus grossly underestimated their willingness to use "beta drivers" and "pre-production firmware" to make things work.



FAIL

Keyboard & Mouse
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my pick -- Corsair Vengeance K95 & Corsair Vengeance M95 Wired Laser

DM2013 -- IBM Model M (used) & SteelSeries Sensei


Probably the first time USED equipment has been used on a Dream Machine!! I would have done better by predicting my own 1993 Gateway 2000 Anykey keyboard that I still love to type on, although it is now more yellow in color than beige. I do concur with the Model M choice.. great keyboards!! Last year I actually bid on a black Model M13 that had a trackpoint on it.. but once the eBay auction got over $150, I bailed.


SUCCESS

OS
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my pick -- Microsoft Windows 8 Professional

DM2013 -- Windows 8 Professional

Like Linux Mint was going to be used?



SUCCESS

Custom Paint Job
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my pick -- it would be painted.. but not pink

DM2013 -- it was painted.. and not pink


So, in summary..

FAIL - 6
More FAIL than SUCCESS - 1
Half FAIL, half SUCCESS - 1
More SUCCESS than FAIL - 1
SUCCESS - 7

I had 16 choices to make.. and it looks like I came out averaging about "half FAIL, half SUCCESS".. which means I didn't really do all that well!! :oops: But I did do better than last year. :D If using the scale that has a FAIL = 1, a SUCCESS = 5 and the other options equaling 2, 3 & 4, I averaged a 3.13 this year.. but better than last year's 2.31 (9 FAILS, 1 More FAIL, 0 Equal, 4 More SUCCESS, and 2 SUCCESS).

I leave with this prediction.. in 50 weeks I will be doing this all over again!!


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 Post subject: Re: Dream Machine 2013 Predictions
PostPosted: Sat Jul 27, 2013 8:14 pm 
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No dual Xeon love makes me sadface. :( Personally, I would have waited until Ivy-Bridge E (it's so close) before assembling a "2013" dream machine anyway. The timing of this build seems off to me.

Btw, in all these dream machine builds, how come there's no emphasis on having a quality storage raid? SSD's are not exactly a reliable storage medium and if one of those 960GB Crucial's goes belly-up (suspiciously immediately after the warranty expiration date), you're going to be SCREWED. For a mere $500 premium, you can have a full 8 ports of *dedicated* parity on your drives. It doesn't make sense to me to have a big jumbled bunch of hard drives and SSD's in your case to have one fail sooner or later and then regretting it. Drives have failed and will continue to fail -- and SSD's are "probably" more likely to do so. This should be no surprise to anyone here. Ugh, common Maximum PC. Is your data not important to you?

@Insula, that beige case looks AMAZING haha. Hopefully there will be enough talk to put it into mass production, much like that red Swingline stapler from Office Space. :lol:


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 27, 2013 8:42 pm 
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How are SSD's more likely to fail? If it's the write-life issue, I crunched the numbers and even a 128GB MLC drive with like 100GB writes a day will last longer than you care to have that SSD. If it's a catastrophic failure rate, I've only had one SSD fail on me, and that was after a secure erase operation (and from a reputably unreliable company anyway).


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 27, 2013 9:20 pm 
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There was a few studies a couple years back that concluded SSD's are still a "newer" technology and data center managers have noted that many SSD's will fail "more abruptly" than HDD's without S.M.A.R.T. ever saying a word. I've also read that magnetic mediums are still superior than anything else when it comes to data retention. I believe most people would agree that reliability is more "consistent" with HDD's. I'm all for SSD's too and yes I'll agree a lot of reliability enhancements have been made since and it usually comes down to company reputation -- it's just that I would more readily trust other mediums for "longer term" storage.

Getting back to my main point though, it's incredibly foolish having so much space and 0 redundancy. You need to recover from data loss and "cloud" backups are still impractical today considering the average US bandwidth upload speed and caps.


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 Post subject: Re: Dream Machine 2013 Predictions
PostPosted: Sun Jul 28, 2013 12:42 am 
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Well, honestly, SSDs are not about data storage and long-term retention. They're about performance. It's impractical to put your data like photos, documents, and videos on an SSD because there's no appreciable performance gains.

And also, Dream Machines are really more about splurging your money on a computer. This is the only time where MaximumPC says "screw it!" to all the best bang for the buck and practicality.


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 Post subject: Re: Dream Machine 2013 Predictions
PostPosted: Wed Aug 07, 2013 8:51 pm 
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Finally got my issue in yesterday. I was quite pleased, though I was expecting dual Xeons, but I understand the reasoning. Also I love the color, the beige with silver interior really brought the nostalgia waves. It took me back to reading the Dream Machine issues in the late '90s. It's amazing to see how far the PC has come since I started reading the magazine. Thanks for puting out my favorite magazing year after year guys.


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