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 Post subject: Dream Machine 2012 Predictions
PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2012 1:34 pm 
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A couple of weeks ago I was reminded that I had predicted that Dream Machine 2012 would have as it's heart the EVGA Classified SR-X motherboard.
http://www.maximumpc.com/article/news/evga_shows_dual-socket_super_record_3_sr3_x79_motherboard

So I decided to expand on what else I thought DM2012 (hard to believe but the 17th year and 21st Dream Machine.. if only 1 is built this year.. that boot/MaximumPC has created) would be sporting. And I thought I better write this up now since DM 2011 was unveiled last July 14th with lots of hints on what components were and weren't used posted a week or so before, completely different than this year's few vague hints contained within 2 podcasts (perhaps because of the reduced staff). So here is what I came up with.. feel free to criticize!!

Mobo
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EVGA Classified SR-X 270-SE-W888-KR LGA 2011 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813188119

CPU
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2 Intel Xeon E5-2687W Sandy Bridge-EP 3.1GHz (for a total of 16 cores) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819117272

RAM
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96GB DDR3 1600+ (12 stick of 8GB each) (I predicted 48GB back in October but decided to dream big!)

GPU
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3 EVGA Signature 04G-P4-2692-KR GeForce GTX 690 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130790

Storage
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C drive - 2 (in RAID 0) SAMSUNG 830 Series MZ-7PC512D/AM 2.5" 512GB http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820147136
D drive - 2 (in RAID 0) Western Digital VelociRaptor WD1000DHTZ 1TB http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822236243
E drive - 3 (in RAID 5) HGST H3IK40003254SW (0S03364) 4TB 5400 RPM http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822145563 (now deactivated on Newegg but wasn't when I did my list; so substitute this instead http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822145560)

Case
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LIAN LI PC-V2120X (blinged out in paint/chrome) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811112312

Soundcard
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Creative Sound Blaster Recon3D Fatal1ty Champion http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16829102040

PSU
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LEPA G Series G1600-MA 1600W http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817494006

Watercooling
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2 Thermaltake CLW0211 Bigwater 760 Plus (1 for the CPU and 1 for the GPUs) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835106183. It was already mentioned in podcast 184 that DM 2012 would be watercooled.. what I am really predicting here is that both the CPU & GPUs get watercooled.


Other items that I don't care to predict which exact model will be used but probably will be included..

Blu-ray writer, three monitors, speakers, headphones, keyboard and mouse along with dual booting Windows 7 Pro 64-bit and Windows 8 64-bit Release preview.


Also feel free to discuss which Dream Machines have been your favorite/least favorite/whatever. I am still sticking with the three I picked back in this 2007 article..

http://www.maximumpc.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=63754

#1 - DM 2000
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#2 - DM 2002
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#3 - DM 2005
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And.. this year I am NOT going to read anything about the Dream Machine online.. going to wait to read it in the magazine like in ye olden days.. on the toilet.. the way a magazine is meant to be read!


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 Post subject: Re: Dream Machine 2012 Predictions
PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2012 6:33 pm 
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I think you've got the proc nailed and most everything else dialed in nicely. But you whiffed on the sound card and case. Both are dreamy, but end in wet dreams. A sweet dream would be a Claro Omega card tucked into tricked out painted Case Lab.


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 Post subject: Re: Dream Machine 2012 Predictions
PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2012 5:05 pm 
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3 EVGA Signature 04G-P4-2692-KR GeForce GTX 690

I know both the mobo and the cards are capable of quad SLI, but I thought one GTX 690 was already considered SLI'd since it uses two GPUs. So, question:
*Is this true?
*And if so, wouldn't the mobo only be capable to handle 2 690s, not 3?


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 Post subject: Re: Dream Machine 2012 Predictions
PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2012 8:17 pm 
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Slight problem: I'm sure three way SLI is impossible on a GTX 690 because...
  1. The SLI connector looks like a two-way SLI connector
  2. I can't find half a 3-way SLI connector, but there's a good chance why there's two connectors in the first place for 3-way SLI: bandwidth


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 Post subject: Re: Dream Machine 2012 Predictions
PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2012 8:39 pm 
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Received my September 2012 Dream Machine issue yesterday (July 24th) and just got around reading it today (July 25th but unfortunately NOT on the toilet like I was hoping). Just thought I would put down for my own edification how accurate or inaccurate I was with my predictions, as well as other general thoughts about the 2012 Dream Machine article.

Concerning the comments made about my three GTX 690s prediction, have to say I have never run more than a single video card thus I have a certain ignorance on this subject. So when I read that the EVGA Classified SR-X had "4-Way SLI Support", I assumed it could run four 690s as I simply ignored the fact that a dual video card was already running in SLI mode, and thus counts as 2 video cards. So when nVidia says that you can have the GTX 690 in "quad SLI" configuration, I naturally thought this meant four physical 690 cards, not 2, thus my goof. But.. MaximumPC did mention that the staff thought about running four GTX 690s in DM2012 but only driver issues stopped them from doing this (pg. 30), so perhaps running three or four 690s is possible if there were driver support. The motherboard on the DM2012 also has "four-way SLI" support (pg. 26) just like the Classified SR-X has so "potentially" it could run more than two GTX 690s.

On to the actual DM2012 components..

-As already mentioned above, I didn't accurately predict the motherboard

-I did get the CPU correctly (Intel 3.1GHz Xeon E5-2687W), just that I thought two would be used.

-RAM was maxed out on the motherboard like I thought they would do but, since wrong amount since a different motherboard was used

-Correct on the GPU and vendor but, again, overshot on how many would be used. Also predicted the GPUs would be water cooled. This EVGA model is very new, only showing up on Newegg starting on July 13 after I had made my predictions

-Correct that two 512GB SSDs using RAID 0 would be the C drive (but wrong model & vendor) as well as three HGST 4GB hard drives would be used, although these were not in RAID 5 form. I failed with predicting VelociRaptors would also be used.

-I failed on predicting the correct case but did think a brand name would be used (unlike kleinkinstein's case prediction), and also thought it would be painted (which is kind of a no brainer since most of the recent cases have been)

-I gambled and failed predicting Creative's new sound card would make the cut but. like last year, the Dream Machine went with on-board sound (Realtek ALC898 :cry: )

-Failed predicting the size and vendor of the PSU

-Failed predicting the liquid cooling used

-I didn't predict WHICH optical drive, monitors, speakers, keyboard and mouse would be used but did think headphones, a Blu-ray writer and three monitors would be selected. DM2012 has no optical drive nor headphone, and only two monitors

-Also thought dual booting of Win7 Pro 64-bit and Win8 64-bit Release preview would occur but only Win7 Pro was used

My general impression of DM2012 is that.. well.. DM2012 is definitely a Dream Machine level rig (with a couple of exceptions) but I believe my setup would have been better but perhaps not as practical. Certainly a heck of a lot more expensive with an extra GTX 690 , Xeon E5-2687W, more RAM, hard drives, and more liquid cooling plumbing needed for the additional parts. Some of the new core-limited benchmarks might not have been much different with my setup so perhaps that is why DM2012 didn't get as wild as my configuration.. just not enough "bang-for-the-buck".. spending more money without getting much real world benefit. But I never thought the Dream Machine was suppose to be a "practical" machine.. it is suppose to be "over the top", insane in the membrane!

So I understand about the CPU, GPU, mobo and hard drive choices.. but no optical drive? Only two monitors? So are we just suppose to assume we have an external optical drive we can use when needed? And.. really.. only two monitors? Was the 3rd monitor a victim of DM2012 already being around $1,600 more than DM2011? And I still like using a dedicated sound card instead of on-board sound.

A few final points..

1) Thought Maximum PC missed a chance to run some Win7 Pro vs Win8 benchmarks.. would have been interesting to see if there were any differences.
2) Was hoping DM2012 would be benchmarked against DM2011 like DM2011 was against DM2010. I understand new benchmarks were just added but Gordon still couldn't break out the old benchmarks one last time? I understand the new benchmark rig is probably faster than DM2011 but I like seeing how fast each Dream Machine is compared to it's predecessor.
3) I have always wondered why the DM isn't the "benchmark rig"? That would keep the benchmarks of faster rigs months down the road from maxing out the graphs as Gordon only rebuilds the benchmark rig every two years or so.. using the DM instead mean the benchmarks would get updated every year thus keeping future faster rigs from maxing out the benchmarks so fast.
4) It was written that a 32GB RAM disk was created but no mentioned of it being used on any benchmarks.. so does this mean that "only" 32GB of main memory was available during the benchmark tests? I wonder how using all 64GB of RAM would have changed any benchmarks.. and how the RAM disk was used, if it was used at all.

Overall, good job Maximum PC staff!! But it needs more "The Murph"! And as for my own predictions.. I did better than last year when I predicted that DM2011 would be an overclocked iPad 2 http://beta.maximumpc.com/article/editor_blogs/photo_awesome_29_gordon_mah_ung_uses_ipad?page=1 (have to scroll down to find it)


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 Post subject: Re: Dream Machine 2012 Predictions
PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2012 10:00 pm 
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I'm just going to fill in what I think would be appropriate answers. You can completely ignore this post if you want.

Insula Gilliganis wrote:
1) Thought Maximum PC missed a chance to run some Win7 Pro vs Win8 benchmarks.. would have been interesting to see if there were any differences.

There's no RTM version available, so it would've been pointless anyway. You're supposed to benchmark on the release version.

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3) I have always wondered why the DM isn't the "benchmark rig"? That would keep the benchmarks of faster rigs months down the road from maxing out the graphs as Gordon only rebuilds the benchmark rig every two years or so.. using the DM instead mean the benchmarks would get updated every year thus keeping future faster rigs from maxing out the benchmarks so fast.

Because it's kind of silly pitting DM to other computers. You might as well tell us the McClaren F1 should be the zero point in which all cars are pitted against. And they would all fail.

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4) It was written that a 32GB RAM disk was created but no mentioned of it being used on any benchmarks.. so does this mean that "only" 32GB of main memory was available during the benchmark tests? I wonder how using all 64GB of RAM would have changed any benchmarks.. and how the RAM disk was used, if it was used at all.

It wouldn't. RAM capacity has the high diminishing returns for performance. If you're talking about about games, well, since most of them are 32-bit and Windows allocates 2GB of virtual space for 32-bit programs by default in 64-bit OS's, you're not going to really get any better.


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