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 Post subject: $2500 to Spend on next Upgrade, need help!
PostPosted: Tue Jun 29, 2004 1:08 pm 
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That's right, my wife has been so nice to let me upgrade my whole system. My current system is a AMD 1.4, 100 gig, 786 Ram, Gefore Ti 4600. I was looking at newegg and I can't decide to go with the Pent 4 3.4C or AMD FX 53. Also should I wait for the 800XT to come out or just get a 6800 Ultra?

Please give me a basic setup of the best equipment out, most bang for the buck. I'm also alittle weary of what type of ram to buy so here is what I need. I will be buying all this by the end of July if this help. Thanks.

CPU
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Case
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Power Supply
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Basicly everything.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 29, 2004 2:07 pm 
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It all really depends what you like to do. For gaming they say AMD is the way to go. And for Applications, like photoshop, cooledit pro, etc. P4 is the way to go. However, i dont think there is any real world noticeable performance increases, just Benchmarks IMO. I would go with whatever saves you the most money. As far ram, Corsair, Mushkin, OCZ, Kingston are all good brands.

As for the video card, Again, it is really a preference. The 800XT is the winner in moste bencharks, but nothing really to show in realworld perfomance, except i was reading that the 800xt was able to hanlde higher resolutions compared to the 800pro and the 6800 ultra. All of these are very nice though. As far as other suggestions ill let others handle it a bit more extensively. I am going back to work now! Good luck and congrats on having such a nice wife :P


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for me also both amd and Intel are good, its up to you. for ram good memory brands include corsair, crucial, mushkin, and kingston.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 29, 2004 5:22 pm 
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Go nuts, big monitor, x800XT, Athlon 64 etc..

But, you may want to wait a short while before burning so much cash, for the obvious reason of newer stuff coming out soon.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 29, 2004 7:29 pm 
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I really think 2,500 is way too much to spend on a computer these days.

That is, unless your are a real heavy gamer and a FPS fanatic.

Take my system for example.

Abit NF7-S mobo ~$85
AMD 2500+ Barton ~$75
Mushkin Enhanced 512mb DDR 400 ~$85
Seagate 80gb 7200rpm HDD ~$60
Geforce4 Fx5200 ~$60
Lite-on 16x DVD-ROM ~$30
Lite-on 8x DVD+/-RW ~$80
Speeze Whisper Rock II HSF ~$10
Some generic 520w PSU ~$20

Total cost ~ $505

You can probably still use your current monitor.

The only two things that could be improved on my system are the vid card and the RAM. I could swap the vid card for about $100-150, and I could add another 512mb of Mushkin Enhanced for $80. Still, your still well under $700. I plan on bringing the 2500+ to 3200+ with a $4 tube of AS5.

What are you going to be doing that requires blowing $2500 on a PC? Or are you simply looking for bragging rights?

Dan O.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 29, 2004 8:11 pm 
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If I had $2500 to spend on a comp I'd probrably wait and get two 6800 Ultra's in SLI, 1GB Kingston Hyper X or Corsair XMS (Latencies vary), two 74gb raptors and one 250GB storage drive, Audigy 2 (not sure if you want 7.1, otherwise probrably be fine with just good ol A2 regular), AMD FX-53, Asus A8V Deluxe, Creative Gigaworks 5.1 S700 Speakers, Cooler Master CM Stacker, and a Viewsonic P95f+b.

It all adds up to $3582 without shipping or tax on newegg so you might want to adjust some parts accordingly. This actually turned out to be what I'd get if I had $3800! :lol:

Seriously though, wait for PCI Express to get a foothold and DDR2 to come down in price (But don't hold you breath) and see how the new intels perform. Also, don't buy a new rig just for HL2 or Doom III as we all now know they will be delayed indefinitely for all eternity. I made that mistake one year ago. :cry:


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 29, 2004 9:07 pm 
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Belboz99 wrote:
I really think 2,500 is way too much to spend on a computer these days.

That is, unless your are a real heavy gamer and a FPS fanatic.

Take my system for example.

Abit NF7-S mobo ~$85
AMD 2500+ Barton ~$75
Mushkin Enhanced 512mb DDR 400 ~$85
Seagate 80gb 7200rpm HDD ~$60
Geforce4 Fx5200 ~$60
Lite-on 16x DVD-ROM ~$30
Lite-on 8x DVD+/-RW ~$80
Speeze Whisper Rock II HSF ~$10
Some generic 520w PSU ~$20

Total cost ~ $505

You can probably still use your current monitor.

The only two things that could be improved on my system are the vid card and the RAM. I could swap the vid card for about $100-150, and I could add another 512mb of Mushkin Enhanced for $80. Still, your still well under $700. I plan on bringing the 2500+ to 3200+ with a $4 tube of AS5.

What are you going to be doing that requires blowing $2500 on a PC? Or are you simply looking for bragging rights?

Dan O.


Yeah but the 5200 blows


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 29, 2004 11:11 pm 
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better than my Radeon VE :(

But, i would probly build a $1000 - $1200 PC, then get a nice ass monitor. Monitors usually last a bit longer so u could get a damn decent PC for that price and have a monitor that will last u quite a while. Plus, if the parts u have now arent too old, u can always use some of those still.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 30, 2004 5:43 am 
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I haven't built a new computer in over two years. But prior to that I always bought the top of the line and it always cost me around $2500. I just want something that could handle any game out in the next two years. I feel like I deserve the best so I want the best. I just don't want to to over $2500. But I would have thought if I went to Dell or Gateway I could have the best out for what I want to spend but I see I am gonna have to build this one aswell.

On a side note has anyone seen Chief MadDog lately. He's on the Ronald Reagan and his ship went to the west coast. How do you get an invite to private?


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 30, 2004 6:06 am 
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I haven't built a new computer in over two years. But prior to that I always bought the top of the line and it always cost me around $2500. I just want something that could handle any game out in the next two years. I feel like I deserve the best so I want the best. I just don't want to to over $2500. But I would have thought if I went to Dell or Gateway I could have the best out for what I want to spend but I see I am gonna have to build this one aswell.


Okay, I see where you're getting the idea that a "top of the line" PC could cost that much.

Check out the prices on Newegg. I suggest buying half way, or a third the way down from the very top. Why? becuause once you go that extra third the way up, the prices double or tripple. It makes no sense. IE, you can get a card that get's 10% more FPS for about twice the price. See any logic in that? I don't. With the money you save buying 1/3 or so down from the top, you can afford to upgrade again in 2 years, or even next year if you prefer. By the time you uprgade in two years you will be getting a card that does 25-50% more FPS for about the same price as you bought your first card.

That's the way electronics are. Top of the line can be VERY expensive. Take a look at some of the AMD 64bit CPUs. The very top, not available just yet, is the Athlon 64 Fx-53. It's initial price at Newegg is going to be $829. Now, true, you may get up to 50% better scores with it than with an AMD Barton 2500+, but the 2500+ can be oc'ed to 3200+, and only costs $73, or about 9% the cost of the Fx-53. You get my point? 25-50% better performance for 1,135% the cost. That's where you have to decide how much bang for the buck you're really getting.

I would check out Newegg, I'm sure you can buid a system that's a lot better than mine for under $1000. And even that is more than I would spend, but then again, I'm on a tight budget.

Dan O.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 30, 2004 6:12 am 
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Mobo: Abit IC7-MAX3
CPU: P4 2.8C
RAM: Kingston Hyper-X PC-3700 (2x512MB)
HDD: WD 120GB 8MB Cache
Optical: NEC DVD+/-RW
Video Card: Radeon 9800 Pro
Sound Card: SB Audigy 2 ZS
Speakers: Logitech Z-680
Monitor: Dell 2001FP ($798)
Power Supply: Antec True 480W
Case: pick your own (~$100)
OS: XP Pro
KB and Mouse: Logitech MX Duo

Total: $2554.99 + S&H
now, obviously you might not need everything, but that's a complete system for $2500. So if you need to knock down the price some, it's not going to be hard...different mobo (thats the one I am most familiar with for P4s), get a smaller/cheaper monitor, re-use your old mouse and keyboard, I would start with those.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 30, 2004 9:13 am 
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Thanks SomeGuy for your opinions and lending me in the right direction. I've always owned an AMD based system but I want to go Intel on this one for some reason.

CASE
DVDRW
DVDRoM
HD1
HD2
RAM
MB
PSU
CPU

Total = $ 1,341.98

I left out the Video Card cause I'll wait until I can get a x800 Pro.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 30, 2004 9:33 am 
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Looks pretty good.

I would set up your IDE HDD as the slave on the first IDE channel with the DVD-RW as master.

Then put the DVD-ROM as master on the second channel.

But it really depends on how you will use the system...keep whichever two IDE devices you think you will use the most on different channels from each other.


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 Post subject: Re: $2500 to Spend on next Upgrade, need help!
PostPosted: Wed Jun 30, 2004 9:43 am 
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ElvisG wrote:
Please give me a basic setup of the best equipment out, most bang for the buck. I'm also alittle weary of what type of ram to buy so here is what I need. I will be buying all this by the end of July if this help. Thanks.


What are you using it for? Content Creation? Games? Interwebby stuff? Do you need huge storage? A DVD-Writer? A monitor?

Generally I favor small, fast hard drives (Raptors), a lot of RAM and a fast videocard over good speakers, a fast CPU and fancy optical drives because it suits my needs as a gamer better that way.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 30, 2004 12:41 pm 
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I will be using it for games and movie storage.. I just want something that is gonna last for 2 years and for bragging rights. I don't need a moniter just the computer. I plan on burning DVD's to storage so I will need alot of space. I have an 200gig external by Maxtor and it's half full and seems alittle slow when I click on the movie folder. I think the x800 and an awesome CPU, BIG Harddrive would work. I love what everyone says about the Raptors but for my storage harddrive should I get a 2mg or 8mg cach for faster performance.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 30, 2004 3:17 pm 
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For storage a 2MB cache drive should be fine.

If you plan on playing the videos from the drive, I would consider getting the 8MB cache drive (they really dont cost that much more anyhow).

I think you should get a small fast Raptor as a boot drive and to install apps to. Then get a huge drive(s) for storage.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 30, 2004 5:55 pm 
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SomeGuy wrote:
Mobo: Abit IC7-MAX3
CPU: P4 2.8C
RAM: Kingston Hyper-X PC-3700 (2x512MB)
HDD: WD 120GB 8MB Cache
Optical: NEC DVD+/-RW
Video Card: Radeon 9800 Pro
Sound Card: SB Audigy 2 ZS
Speakers: Logitech Z-680
Monitor: Dell 2001FP ($798)
Power Supply: Antec True 480W
Case: pick your own (~$100)
OS: XP Pro
KB and Mouse: Logitech MX Duo

Total: $2554.99 + S&H


Yes. I'd definitely second this.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 30, 2004 9:03 pm 
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SomeGuy wrote:
Mobo: Abit IC7-MAX3
CPU: P4 2.8C
RAM: Kingston Hyper-X PC-3700 (2x512MB)
HDD: WD 120GB 8MB Cache
Optical: NEC DVD+/-RW
Video Card: Radeon 9800 Pro
Sound Card: SB Audigy 2 ZS
Speakers: Logitech Z-680
Monitor: Dell 2001FP ($798)
Power Supply: Antec True 480W
Case: pick your own (~$100)
OS: XP Pro
KB and Mouse: Logitech MX Duo

Total: $2554.99 + S&H


Yes. I'd definitely second this.


I'll third this suggestion, except for two tweaks. Since you don't need a monitor, apply that money towards 2x74g Raptors and an X800 XT. You now have a system that fulfills your goals of longevity, bragging rights, gaming, and content creation.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 30, 2004 10:29 pm 
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something tells me that 120gigs is not enough, but with the raptors that One4yu2c suggested, you would dble your storage, plus the external maxtor you have will give you a total of ~450gigs.

the case... people seem to like the antec sonata, so that's what i would suggest. if you dont want that "me too" look, see into the antec lanboy, or a full tower case.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 30, 2004 10:42 pm 
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you could also go AMD, with the athlon 64 3000+ and the Asus K8V SE Deluxe, plus free far cry! (thats if you dont own a copy of far cry or you want another one.)

AMD 64 3000+

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