Firefox Aiming to be Free from NSA's Gaze

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JCCIII

Technically, I think, yes, the Firefox community can accomplish this type of purity for the browser.

A government that can detain any citizen, disappear any citizen, indefinitely without charges under this Constitution has gone rogue. It is a treasonous government doing the bidding of devouring corporations under the guise of protection, fear mongering.

Do not be naïve. Every government member that does not speak out against these atrocities is him or herself a treasonous individual and as such, up unto the death penalty, should be pursued by the laws untainted by their pseudo-laws.

Current and prior President and Vice President of the United States: Clinton, Cheney, Bush, Biden, Obama imprisoned and their respective administrations, Congress, judiciaries, etc., criminals and those that serve them, ignorant though they cannot be, punished for their crimes, for their oaths prove them out.

President Obama, Sen. Pelosi, those who pretend to weep for Newtown to steal your rights, rights to defense, rights to privacy, rights to any kind of sensible freedom, while murdering children abroad with indiscriminate drone strikes are a wicked government.

A small example: "A leaked Pakistan government report prepared for the FATA Secretariat and obtained by the BIJ states that at least 147 civilians (including 94 children) were killed from 2006 to 2009."

"As of this writing, BIJ’s number of civilians killed in Pakistan since 2004 runs from 407 to 926 (the number of children killed is 168 to 200)."

But, how much grief would you have if your mother was killed by drone strike or half your family with no children involved?

If they will indiscriminately murder for their perverted interests abroad, they will indiscriminately murder for their perverted interests at home.

What do you mean I cannot search your vehicle, your bags, your body cavities, or take your blood? PAPERS, GIVE ME YOUR PAPERS; ARREST HIM! BEAT HIM, MOLEST HIM, KILL HIM, AND HIS WIFE.

Sincerely, Joseph C. Carbone III; 26 January 2014

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theferndog

Even if they revamp the browser and develop an NSA tracking proof system, who can be certain that the NSA won't simply go through the code and adapt their techniques. Even Onion Routing has its limitations.

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Gurudaz

" Mozilla Foundation chief technology officer Brendan Eich is a MORON!!!

This cannot possibly work and here is why>

Google "Lightweight Portable Security"

This is a closed source Linux distribution created by the Military

The idea they want to instill in you is that this O.S. is read only so you cannot be spied upon

What they do NOT tell you is that it is closed source like Microsoft Windows so you cannot verify that it is truly secure

They don't tell you that they capture your logon info and wi-fi passwords in the clear with this O.S.

They also do not tell you that when you download this software on a system that does not directly hand over your wi-fi keys such as Spyware platforms 7 and 8 does, they can disconect your Internet connection and force you to reboot to regain a net connection at which point you may notice that their is a duplicate name on your network

This duplicate "Front" forces you to resend your wi-fi key in memory to re-establish an Internet connection, at which point they can use the key in memory to match it to the key you provide in the clear when you finish downloading this product so they can gain access to your Windows network and/or identify the user using this alleged "Secure" version of Linux

Since I do not have the sourcecode, I can only speculate that they fingerprint your net activities and logons to identify the user when that person uses a different computer with a completely different wi-fi key but it makes perfect sense because that is what I would do if I were doing what they are doing and that can be proven by the info above

The duplicate name or "front" that forces you to resend your wi-fi key in memory can be seen in action on a Windows XP computer that is protected with driveshield so they cannot alter or add malware before the reboot without it being deleted after a reboot

Windows 7 and 8 can be "proven" to be Spyware Platforms if they automatically resend your wi-fi keys in memory without notifying you

The fact that you can see this type of spycraft on a protected XP system but not on a Windows 7 or 8 machine is all the evidence anyone should need that newer versions of Windows are nothing more than Spyware Platforms

The other clues to this read only Linux O.S. being a spyware platform are indirectly documented at the website were it can be downloaded

READ IT

Using a secure version of Firefox is irrelevant what it is installed on a Spyware Platform!

MORONS!!!"

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* I agree with this above statement> I was thinking this has come closer too...the NSA or whoever...tracking our Memory modules which still have large amounts of electrical capacitance left in them when they are turned off...this slow release of electrical current can create enough time for Sophistictaed Algorythms to put together the 1 and 0's that are stored in the memory> eventually to revealing the Password keys of the PC machine itself> this means that we log on via the NSA as virtual machines> by virtual I mean we are now logging into WITH the NSA as a complete entity (unbeknownst to most users becasue WIndows 7 and 8 have poor Virus protection against sohpisticated encrypted Viral threats> such as the Adobe Flash player virus that snuck into my PC and my Antivirus was unable to erase it other than stop it's excecution.

* NSA = Logging into windows as Virtual machine> but without tracking abilities of normal antivirus software because the Virus is encrypted on the Virtual machine on the fly...possibly using little resources (possibly).

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LatiosXT

The amount of paranoia in here is amazing that again, I'm surprised any of you are still on the internet.

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The Mac

Seriously....

Everyone seems to think the government is all up in their junk.

They dont care.

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vrmlbasic

They could care, and then you're screwed.

Not to mention that this data collection scheme they're running is wrong and illegal on every level.

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LatiosXT

When the government does wrong, people go up in arms.

When the people do wrong, nobody cares.

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vrmlbasic

When the people do wrong, the government isn't stopping them despite their massive illegal spying.

...I don't really see anyone up in arms about what the government has done wrong. The tech hipsters aren't going to vote against it either this year or in 2016, even if they are dismayed by the spying, and the people who are going to vote against it already were and seem to be a minority at the polling places.

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severnia

the point Mozilla is missing, and most on here that have already commented on, is that a single 'Clean' piece of software is nothing at all. even if it was clean beyond any shadow of doubt, it has to run on an OS, and it all but requires plugins, Oh, and here's the real kicker, it has to pull data from the internet... which we all KNOW the NSA cant see anything that travels over the web, and we all KNOW they arent jacked into every major data center in the world. Oh wait..

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Bullwinkle J Moose

We must remain kind in our responses to those who tell us they have a fix for the Spying that goes on around us however

Those who claim to have found the solution are either Liars or Morons

Let us give them the benefit of our doubts and simply call them Morons

Fixing Firefox is only a piece of the puzzle

Open Source, Read Only Boot Disks that image and load directly from RAM is where we all should be headed if we really intend to fix the bigger problems of persistent malware that follows us across reboots

I'd love to see memory cards that "physically" lock the contents with a read only switch instead of the pseudo switches on SD cards that depend on the reader to honor it's read only position
I also would like to see card readers that hold enough RAM to load the O.S.'s from each boot card instead of placing expensive RAM on each and every card

We need many fixes, not just one

I applaud Mozilla's efforts in this matter but the rest of the Computer Industry needs to be beaten into submission to fix the other problems

No more excuses
Let's all fix this thing now!

I still have the emails from Western Digital and Seagate from many years ago when I asked why I cannot have a read only switch on ANY hard drives

Talk about Lame Excuses....
Well you can't get updates when needed and bla bla bla

YO, MORONS.....
When my drive is full and virus free, I'd like to keep it that way!
It's a freaking backup drive after all

If I want any stupid spyware or malware updates, I'll flip the freakin switch!

See there?
I didn't call them Liars
I gave them the benefit of the doubt

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severnia

+1 for the post, +11 for actually writing to the HDD manufactures asking for a read only switch, as i agree with this completely.

nothing we can do locally will keep big brothers eyes off of our data unless you run litteraly isolated/physically disconnected from the web. as long as their have been internet connections, intelligence agencies of every first world and many second world countires have been grabbing what they want from them whenever they felt the need. The first submarine telegram cables were tapped into in only a matter of months after their deployment across the ocean, and the situation has not improved in the few decades since. Lets not forget, Uncle Sam played a key role in development of a nation wide network through ARPA (a.k.a. in modern times as DARPA) that spun off into the "internet" as we know it today. DARPA.mil has an interesting read for those unfamiliar with the early days of the internet http://www.darpa.mil/WorkArea/DownloadAsset.aspx?id=2554

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don2041

WELL SAID

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vrmlbasic

So Firefox's argument is that someone out there will pore over the gazillion lines of Firefox code to find the spyware and report it? That's not very reassuring, or very original: isn't that the same argument that OSS has been using since its inception?

If it wound up in Firefox in the first place (ie:if it is in the "official" distro from Mozilla) then what good would it do to report it? The automatic bit-by-bit comparison mentioned is useless as the NSA would simply get Mozilla to put the spyware into its official code.

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QuantumCD

If Mozilla "inserted" code in their official build pipeline, someone would probably notice. You could build the binaries from the official source and then checksum the two.

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Bullwinkle J Moose

Mozilla Foundation chief technology officer Brendan Eich is a MORON!!!

This cannot possibly work and here is why>

Google "Lightweight Portable Security"

This is a closed source Linux distribution created by the Military

The idea they want to instill in you is that this O.S. is read only so you cannot be spied upon

What they do NOT tell you is that it is closed source like Microsoft Windows so you cannot verify that it is truly secure

They don't tell you that they capture your logon info and wi-fi passwords in the clear with this O.S.

They also do not tell you that when you download this software on a system that does not directly hand over your wi-fi keys such as Spyware platforms 7 and 8 does, they can disconect your Internet connection and force you to reboot to regain a net connection at which point you may notice that their is a duplicate name on your network

This duplicate "Front" forces you to resend your wi-fi key in memory to re-establish an Internet connection, at which point they can use the key in memory to match it to the key you provide in the clear when you finish downloading this product so they can gain access to your Windows network and/or identify the user using this alleged "Secure" version of Linux

Since I do not have the sourcecode, I can only speculate that they fingerprint your net activities and logons to identify the user when that person uses a different computer with a completely different wi-fi key but it makes perfect sense because that is what I would do if I were doing what they are doing and that can be proven by the info above

The duplicate name or "front" that forces you to resend your wi-fi key in memory can be seen in action on a Windows XP computer that is protected with driveshield so they cannot alter or add malware before the reboot without it being deleted after a reboot

Windows 7 and 8 can be "proven" to be Spyware Platforms if they automatically resend your wi-fi keys in memory without notifying you

The fact that you can see this type of spycraft on a protected XP system but not on a Windows 7 or 8 machine is all the evidence anyone should need that newer versions of Windows are nothing more than Spyware Platforms

The other clues to this read only Linux O.S. being a spyware platform are indirectly documented at the website were it can be downloaded

READ IT

Using a secure version of Firefox is irrelevant what it is installed on a Spyware Platform!

MORONS!!!

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LatiosXT

You know, if you're going to go down this path, then please, get off the grid.

Say for instance you want to escape the grasp of anyone's spying. You use software with open source. If you compile it, how do you know the compiler isn't inserting arbitrary code to create back doors? Okay, create your own compiler. Oh wait, you need an assembler too... Alright, you completely own the software!

... But what about that hardware? How do you know the ethernet controller's firmware can't be broken into with a few undocumented commands? How do you know the processor doesn't have some microcode that can be triggered via specific means?

The one thing that I laugh at all these "open source" folks is nothing they build is truly, 100%, open source. Because to be 100% open source means including the hardware, which if by ARM or Intel, will never be provided for their chip schematics (although Intel did release the schematics for the 486 and below to the pubic)

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Bullwinkle J Moose

Correction in last line above:
Using a secure version of Firefox is irrelevant >"WHEN"< it is installed on a Spyware Platform!
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It can also be deducted by logic that it is not the Chinese hackers who are doing the spying because they would not need a paper trail of all your Internet activities to be used against you at a later date in a Military or Civilian Court

Also, the Chinese hackers would not have the sourcecode for this little gem to do the same things these perps are doing

Still need another Clue?

Read the License Agreement

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AFDozerman

This would need to be applicable to plugins, too.

Just a thought.

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QuantumCD

I thought they were already phasing out plugins in browsers?

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AFDozerman

Firefox still has a huge and growing library of 3rd party plugins that add a lot of really good functionality like adblock and smoothscroll (and my favorite, WebCL (devs, take note, this would be awesome to have support for)).

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Peanut Fox

Those are extensions, and are not the same as plugins. To the end user they may as well be, because they both do a similar task. They add functionality.

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AFDozerman

My bad. I got my terms mixed up. Yes, extensions. My point still stands, though.

That actually brings up the point, though, that the people who are checking binaries aren't going to be the people who most use the browser. The other 98 percent of users could easily be coerced into downloading an unnecessary plugin that was actually NSA spyware. Scammers have been using this technique since the beginning of the internet. I can't tell you how often I used to get the whole "download plugin XYZ to be able to play Rihana's sex video" or " police in [insert region] don't want you to know about this one crazy trick" while just reading the news. You may be safe as a power user, but is your grandma? Of course, you could just constantly watch over her every online action, but who is the one spying, then?

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vrmlbasic

Speaking of extensions, are you using AdBlock Edge on those sites?

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AFDozerman

Generally, when I see stuff like that, I'm on my phone's built in browser, which doesn't support extensions.

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AFDozerman

Come to think of it, if your grandma's clicking those links, you've got a pretty crazy grandma!