FCC Responds to Critics of Net Neutrality Proposal

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NoCtrl

It's Time to Launch the Biggest Protest the FCC Has Ever Seen

http://www.freepress.net/blog/2014/04/25/its-time-launch-biggest-protest-fcc-has-ever-seen

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yammerpickle2

FCC Chairman Tom Wheeler and the people who placed him in power are all Douchebags!

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SeriousBeEss

How hard would it be for Netflix to say... "Dear Customers,
We regret to inform you that due to Comcast's greed, we will now be required to charge a premium to some Netflix users. The Netflix users that will be affected are those users that are currently subscribed and use COMCAST as their internet service provider. ANY NETFLIX CUSTOMER THAT IS USING AN INTERNET SERVICE PROVIDER THAT DOES NOT CHARGE NETFLIX A PREMIUM WILL BE UNAFFECTED. Happy switching,
Netflix"

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vrmlbasic

Oh noes, Netflix over-saturates the pipes and didn't want to pay a penny for them to be expanded? Glad to see that Comcast put them in their place.

I don't like Comcast as it is a crony capitalist to the highest degree. But Netflix is also a heinous crony capitalist and I like to watch two evils try to tear out the other's throat.

Netflix has tried for years your proposed plan of "get the consumer so pissed at his ISP that he makes them change their ways for our benefit" and it hasn't worked yet.

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LesserAnimal

As much as I agree with this, I live in an area where the only other choice is AT&T DSL. You can't stream anything on that ancient crap.

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tony2tonez

Lets just his decision, moved him, to a BIGGER HOUSE!

simpsons reference.

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maverick knight

I don't think people are understanding the issue. How I see it is that Netflix wants its customers to not get throttled speeds when streaming. I do not use Netflix and I would be upset if my bandwidth has been reduced because Netflix users have more privilege. If that is the case then no, it is not fair to those who do not use Netflix. At the same time, Netflix could advertise that its service would not be affected because of the deal with providers. That would put Netflix at an advantage over other streaming services. If service providers are forced to throttle bandwidth for those streaming then is to make it fair to all customers.

I believe that this is good news for us all. More debates like this and service providers will be pushed to implement fiber optic across the nation.

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MaximumMike

>>I don't think people are understanding the issue.

I have my doubts as to whether you've understood it yourself.

>> How I see it is that Netflix wants its customers to not get throttled speeds when streaming.

I daresay that anyone who hosts content on the internet feels the same way. It is quite a discriminatory and monopolistic practice to throttle the data of a competitor. It's obviously a conflict of interest and AT&T should either be broken up or forced to divest any interest it has in content.

>>I do not use Netflix and I would be upset if my bandwidth has been reduced because Netflix users have more privilege.

What in the world are you prattling on about? Comcast wasn't giving preferential treatment to Netflix, but just the reverse. Comcast is only throttling YOUR data if you do something they don't agree with, like bit torrents. But perhaps you are special and believe your bit torrents should not be throttled and Netflix traffic should?

>>At the same time, Netflix could advertise that its service would not be affected because of the deal with providers.

So, they should say what? "Congratulations customers, we've paid up on the extortion and can now deliver the service we offered you. But of course we'll now be raising your prices in order to cover the cost of the ISP extortion fees. What a win for you! Hurry and signup for Netflix now!"

>>That would put Netflix at an advantage over other streaming services.

Care to name exactly which ones? I'm pretty sure there were quite a few streaming services which weren't being throttled and extorted as was Netflix. So, I'm curious who you think Netflix gained a competitive advantage over as a result of being extorted.

>>If service providers are forced to throttle bandwidth for those streaming

ISP's are never forced to throttle data. They do so at their own discretion because they are monopolies and they can.

>>then is to make it fair to all customers.

Not getting what you paid for and being told to pay more if you really want to get it isn't fair to anyone.

>>I believe that this is good news for us all.

Poor quality at a higher price isn't good news to anyone but the ISP's. ISP's should stop throttling data. That would be good news for everyone.

>>More debates like this and service providers will be pushed to implement fiber optic across the nation.

The thugs who ripped off the American public should have implemented fiber in the 80's and 90's when they stole our tax dollars.

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vrmlbasic

Do we know that the Netflix proposed rate hikes are only to cover the Comcast fees? I wouldn't be surprised if Netflix used this as an excuse to jack up rates far higher than required to pay the ISP pipers.

Netflix and Comcast were playing chicken and Netflix balked first. I would bet that they're going to make the best of it by using their capitulation as a reason to jack up the rates.

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MaximumMike

>>Do we know that the Netflix proposed rate hikes are only to cover the Comcast fees?

No, we don't. But that doesn't excuse Comcast. And whatever you may think of Netflix, they won't be Comcast's last victim.

>> I wouldn't be surprised if Netflix used this as an excuse to jack up rates far higher than required to pay the ISP pipers.

It certainly wouldn't be the first time some company did just that. So, its quite plausible. However, Comcast is just as wrong whether or not Netflix responds properly.

>> I would bet that they're going to make the best of it by using their capitulation as a reason to jack up the rates.

The capitulation of Netflix spells almost certain doom for everyone else.

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JCSFBAY81

Couldn't have rebuttled that any better!
Bottom line is - I want to get what I pay for. Not something with hidden restrictions. If a major service provider such as comcast cannot afford to build an infrastructure to support the demands of the modern era then I say fucking em!

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jackx123456789

Yeah. I think I can be forgiven for not trusting a bunch of political appointees.

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MaximumMike

Just another politician lying through his teeth. Everyone loses but the lobbyists and the companies they represent. It's really not so funny that the supposed party of the middle class is the one that constantly appoints these douche bags who are destroying our country and then telling us how much we love it. They're also the party that supposedly hates large corporations and then constantly uses big government to prop up big business through government regulation just like this. Unfortunately, their constituents are too stupid to see this for what it is and will continue to vote them into office because they honestly believe the rhetoric and can't reason things through for themselves. And besides, when it all turns out poorly, they can always just blame the other party... because they're the party of big business, so this must naturally all be their fault. Welcome to Amurica where illiteracy is the new intellectualism.

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limitbreaker

It's funny, it sounds like you're talking about Republicans but you're not. Lol

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MaximumMike

Actually, I'm talking about both Republicans and Democrats (there's really no difference). None of this is very funny.

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AlexanderTheNine

"The Democratic Party is a party of no ideas, and the Republican party is a party of bad ideas" -Lewis Black

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jackx123456789

Oh all ignorance is the new intellectualism and unfortunately it is not new. Just increasingly more prevalent with every generation.

It is a failure of the American democratic process.

There have been many such failures in the history of the republic.

It is just that over the past 3 decades the subversion of democracy for their own purposes has gotten worse.

There are just so many now who are not even aware of what they have lost that I don't know how we ever make it right again.

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MaximumMike

I don't think we ever can make it right. Inevitably there will be a split. Whether that split will be peaceful or bloody is anyone's guess.

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Opm2

What's more appalling is how much of that infrastructure was paid for by taxpayers.

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/tech/news/2011-04-28-broadband-spending-questioned_n.htm

That's right, you already paid BILLIONS to give them the infrastructure...

Now on to Econ 101.

The ONLY way for monopolies to increase profits is to restrict supply.

Bent over without even a reach around.

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USraging

Most consumers don't realize that the infrastructure has been in place for years and it's all gravy for the ISP. It's all about money and kick backs.

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spaulding

Just seems like another tier system. Just like home users can't get business class speed (bandwidth) unless they run a home business. Should be optional for certain companys only (since there is a limited amount of bandwidth to use). Honestly doesn't seem bad at all and didn't understnad the hate. My job is satellite communications so I understand bandwidth limitations and how people try to balance it out.

Passing on cost is a valid concern but would you rather pay more for a better service (especially when it comes to 4k) or be gimped and only get 480 maybe 720 and pay the same?

Also I'm wondering why they don't tie in with these companys that are paying for OC3 and higher bandwidth that are only utilizing 60-70% of the bandwidth available.

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vgrig

i'm already paying for 35up/35down while getting 1mbps in netflix stream - that's the whole point!
don't even start with "bandwidth costs money" when ISP profit margins are as high as 90%. how greedy one can get?!

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PCWolf

This is all about GREED & who has the biggest & deepest pockets. Also, the Cable Companies who want to boast about their High Speeds, but get angry when users use those high speeds. If I'm paying for a certain amount of bandwidth, A Cable Operator has no right to limit that speed. This country has become nothing but a corrupted cesspool of greed, where every company seems to find new ways to squeeze every last dime out of consumers. And thanks to the lack of competition, we have to either bend over & take it, or simply cut them off & stay with nothing. Don;t expect the FCC or any other Government agency to step ion & help. The Lobbyists pay to silence consumers voices. This is the result.

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limitbreaker

"This country has become nothing but a corrupted cesspool of greed"

It ALWAYS was a cesspool of greed, America was built on the backs of slaves. Nothing has changed, it just has taken different forms.

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vrmlbasic

lolwut?

So America is like DiscWorld?

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CaptainFabulous

There is no misinformation. He intends to allow companies with big pockets to buy preferential treatment, giving them an advantage over smaller companies with less resources who cannot afford to pay for the fast lane. That is very definition of BEHAVIOR HARMFUL TO COMPETITION.

And when the big company turns around and increases the cost of their service to cover the added expense of paying for the fast lane, or a new service that would provide competition and additional choices goes belly up because they cannot provide a similar quality of service, that is the very definition of BEHAVIOR HARMFUL TO CONSUMERS.

So Tom, I know we peons aren't former cable industry lobbyists like yourself, but exactly what part of your plan aren't we understanding?

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vgrig

That's what people don't understand - Netflix can afford to pay and (in terms of bottom line) will GLADLY pay: all Comcast is doing is killing Netflix's competition...
Now, with verizon it's different - Netflix doesn't want to pay becasse Verizon's Redbox is it's competition (and doesn't pay for peering since it's part of Verizon) and will become more attractive and cheaper compared to Netflix.

So - these rules will kill startups...

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vrmlbasic

After the money that they, via heavy-handed crony capitalism, got as benefits and tax breaks from the state of MD in order to film House of Cards (while the average MD citizen saw taxes rise) they not only can but deserve to have to bow down and kiss Comcast's ring.

One wrong turn deserves another, in this case.

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MaximumMike

>>After the money that they, via heavy-handed crony capitalism, got as benefits and tax breaks from the state of MD in order to film House of Cards (while the average MD citizen saw taxes rise) they not only can but deserve to have to bow down and kiss Comcast's ring.

Do you really mean to say that just because Netflix screwed over the general public, that this somehow justifies Comcast screwing over the general public? Because that's what Comcast is doing by throttling traffic their customers have already paid for.

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PCWolf

Netflix only has one real competitor for streaming, & that's Amazon Prime. Amazon also has deep pockets and can afford to pay as well. The REAL losers will be us because those costs will be passed along to the customers. We will be the ones who will end up paying more for this, not Netflix or Amazon Prime.

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vgrig

Wheeler is a cable douchebag - he can spin that any way he wants: still a douchebag...