Dutch Online Merchant Purportedly Leaks Haswell-E Process Pricing

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biggiebob12345

5960X has my name on it because race car / employee discount. It's worth it to have 8 cores that will make my build future resistant for at least 4 years. Now NV just needs to get the 880 out the door.

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Ghost XFX

Buahahahahaaahahahahahahahahahahaha! XD

Actually, I'm envious of anyone that can afford to build one of these. I just hope it's worth it in the end.

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tony2tonez

Dream Machine 2014?

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AFDozerman

So they're pretty much selling for the exact same price as the Gulftowns did after counting in inflation? I'm starting to see a trend here, Intel.

Any word on how much these cost to actually build?

Also, why does it take so long to get EE systems out the door? Is it really that hard to route the circuts and design the cache that connects the other couple cores to the rest of the CPU?

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Hey.That_Dude

In short: Yes, it does take that long. These aren't just Lego Blocks.

Long: This isn't just sticking two more cores onto an already existing design. This is a totally different design with lots of timing to be worked out. They added DDR4 support, that whole sector likely took a year to get fully fleshed out on several thousand FPGAs. There's all the other parts that needed to be tested for actual speed increase, such as all the advanced instruction sets. These all had to be worked out in FPGAs (because paper is never right). They had to set up their foundries to do a new design after it got finalized (They actually simulate the whole damn chip on several thousand RACKS of FPGAs) with all the new lithograph images. Oh and as a final design issue, the chip has to be transferable to the next generation lithographic process, per Intel's tick-tock product cycle. Then there's package design where all those parts of the chip have to be impedance matched using gold wires to the LGA2011-V3 pin out so that when you finally put the chip in your Mobo: It works. (This is actually really simple as the paper calculation is almost always right)

I'm not even 100% on all the stuff Intel has to do but I've done everything short of making my FPGAs designs into Silicon, but hopefully I can get that within the next few years as I'd love to do even a simple analog circuit just to say that I did it.

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DelroyMonjo

This should crush the hopes of all tech forum monkeys who have been asking, "Should I wait for the Haswell-E CPU's to upgrade my next build?" Looks like it'll cost about $2,000 to get your feet wet with one of the rigs.

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Foxfire15

What actually crushes my dreams is the loss of the PCI-E lanes on the cheaper chip. Only having 28 hurts expandability quite a bit, unless mobo manufacturers add more lanes via an external chip.

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Hey.That_Dude

How would you presume they do that? How would that chip connect to the Processor?

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The Mac

he probably is thinking of multiplexing (PLX chip), which doesn't really add lanes, just shares the existing ones.

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Hey.That_Dude

Uh huh. Sounds like a stop gap or a fancy way of saying "We're doubling them, and giving you PCIe 2.0 speeds!"

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The Mac

clocks are much lower than i expected as well.