China Plans to Build an Operating System to Replace Windows and Android

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arcr2014

is it going to be free, or paid?

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MaximumMike

Why don't we just quit doing business with China altogether. That would solve a lot of problems.

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Hey.That_Dude

Creates more problems than it solves.

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MaximumMike

I'm not so sure on that one.

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electpaisa

As a web developer, whatever abomination China is concocting I just hope they use a modern HTML5 web browser. Can't wait to stop supporting IE8.

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maxeeemum

China has been looking to dump Microsoft and others for a while now.

http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/ubuntu-kylin

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kylin_%28operating_system%29

http://www.zdnet.com/china-switches-on-to-ubuntu-in-hunt-for-windows-xp-successor-7000026355/

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John Pombrio

I read articles about both Japan and China trying to dump MS and Intel now for a good 15 years. Yet, here they still are large customers. No innovation is the real issue, all that comes out are "me too" inferior products.

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MAIZE1951

Chinese designed operating system? Why does that make me think it would be the ultimate spyware, malware program going far beyond Windows?

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jtrpop

They have been saying this for years. I'll believe it when they stop all their pirating of Windows. The Chinese is concerned about spying? Pot calling the kettle black; how about their fake microchips being sold to the Navy? http://www.businessinsider.com/navy-chinese-microchips-weapons-could-have-been-shut-off-2011-6

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vrmlbasic

And yet the US government approved the Lenovo server deal. Idiots.

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Hey.That_Dude

Oh yes, THE HORROR! Lenovo now gets to sell x86 servers using chips it must BUY FROM INTEL, AMD, or VIA! (and which are still under scrutiny from the US government for export)
Step back for a minute and think about how utterly ridiculous and unfounded your fears are. If even ONE, one single solitary server, comes with any form of spyware, then Lenovo will not exist as a brand because of the back lash. They know that.
Add to that, there's so much competition in x86 servers that IBM doesn't feel it worth their time. That's why they sold it. You can pick up an x86 server from almost any computer manufacturer. To name a few from the top of my head: Dell, HP, Sun/Oracle, SuperMicro, and MSI. But I'm sure there are at least 10 more I've not named.

If you don't want a Lenovo branded x86 server: don't get one. I'm sure your embargo and the comments you make will clearly make them stop.

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tristone

It's neither about privacy, nor about national security. It's just a scam. The project will get funded so that some get to buy their Ferraris.

Not the first one and surely won't be the last one.

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jtrpop

True, such is communism.

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Carlidan

Wonder what took Chinia so long to make their OS? That is the real question. They are the second superpower in the world and will over take the U.S. in a couple of years.

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John Pombrio

Read "Stumbling Giant" by Timothy Breadson. China has paid heavily for the country's growth:
"An inexorable demographic future of a shrinking labor force, relentless aging, extreme gender disparity, and even a falling population. Also, the nation faces social instability, a devastated environment, a predominantly low-tech economy with inadequate innovation, the absence of an effective welfare safety net, an ossified governance structure, and radical Islam lurking at the borders." Plus all the problems China is having with it's neighbors.

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NavarWynn

+1 The black helicopter crowd is quick to spout their fears about china taking over the world, but in practical terms, their current regime has fostered an inherit internal instability. For better or worse, for the near and medium term, China will do nothing that threatens to destabilize the house of cards their country is built upon.

No, in this, any many other things, the pattern is clear. China's home brewed OS will likely have more spyware cooked in than any other on the planet. With all of the data routed directly to the chinese government.

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MrHasselblad

Given the decline of america compared to the relative growth and potential of China...

In most ways China has already surpassed america. Take a look at items such as Trade per country or other G20 related items.

america as a country (or most of it's citizens) does not have much to look forward to. Case in point... Take a guess at the percentages of americans that will be forced to work until their death; (again to restate) they are forced to, not by choice.

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Engelsstaub

Most Americans I know retire between the ages of 62 and 65. Those are people who aren't that well off. I would prefer the working conditions within "america" to China.

Your comments can always be counted on to demonstrate your nationalistic bigotry. Any chance you get just like a predictable trolling bigot.

I know you think you're being really fucking clever by capitalizing "China" (as is proper) while typing "america" and "americans" over and over. "america" is more than just the United States of America and the citizens thereof, Herr Hasselbad.

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Hey.That_Dude

What they're really saying:

"We needed control over all the back doors in the OS so that we can keep our secrets (and atrocities) from everyone else while spying on every citizen in China. Our not so really home brew system will take a massive amount of base code from either Linux or Unix, with special emphases on not doing what the GNU license specifically and legally binds us to do because we're China."

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carage

Bravo!

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AFDozerman

If they're truly paranoid about security, they'll use OpenBSD. If they just want a way to spy on their own people, it'll be a home-baked closed-source Linux distro.

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John Pombrio

Just like China developed their own Microprocessor, the Loongson. So far, after EIGHT iterations, it is all the way up to 1.5GHz with only the latest version supporting DDR3. The best they can do is a 32nm 4 core at 32nm with 28nm 8 core on the horizon. It can only run Linux. The latest chip uses ATI southbridge and intergrated graphics, Intel Gb network port, and imported Linux programs.

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vrmlbasic

Imagine how far behind they'd be if they didn't have the benefit of spying on the designs of chips that actually competent companies have manufactured in the country.

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AFDozerman

Any word on total FLOPS/ power draw.

Edit: Nevermind, another website that I frequent just published this article: http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/188396-the-final-isa-showdown-is-arm-x86-or-mips-intrinsically-more-power-efficient/2

Crazy coincidence? yeah, probably...

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jgrimoldy

The OS will have so many holes in it, it'll be like a sieve. Incredibly dumb idea. If it's a truly homegrown OS, they'll have the joy of device driver implementation. This is going to be a lot of work.

I'd guess they're just going to base it on some variety of Linux (with countless holes baked in)

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don2041

Wait until they flood the west with free copies of the OS. That would put the screws to western OS suppliers.

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m35g35

Hasn't that been going on here for awhile? Something called Linux I think, I could be wrong here.

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John Pombrio

My keyboard will not handle 10,000 Chinese characters. Yours?

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Rebel_X

@John: Only idiots would make an OS without unicode (UTF-8/16) support.. Gone are the days of having multi-builds of Win98 each for different locale. Who told you china wouldn't need English support in their OS? To be honest, your way of attacking the Chinese OS in the last comments without dealing with it let alone being released is just unwise and only gullible people would come up with this kind of tantrum favoring the US_OS over the Chinese OS. No offense intended.

The way I see it, the more the merrier. Competition is a good thing for consumers. And I would rather being spied on from Chinese dudes than my own country (the US).

LoL, for some reason, the spam filter considered US_OS without the underscore as a bad word, that or it was de_f_end_ing (which I changed into "favoring") without the underscores X-P

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don2041

It will have 3 keyboards layed out like a pipe organ

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carage

Please, the Chinese Pinyin system works perfectly on the standard Qwerty keyboard.

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John Pombrio

Uh, do I have to learn Chinese or how to use a Pinyim keyboard system to go ahead and use the imported version of Chinese Linux? I think I would rather stick to Ubuntu.

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Random

Uh, the Chinese are creating this OS for the Chinese... not for you.

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Hey.That_Dude

That comment was directed at Don2041's comment about the Chinese flooding the market with their OS for free. Honestly, did you even read this particular thread in the comments?

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Random

Well in that case maybe they can create an input device that resembles a Ouija Board and people can enter their data from the afterlife. Think about it...

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dorkish

what about all the spying and hacking China does? and you damm well know they will have backend ways to spy on their own people :)

And why do I have the feeling that 90% of the code will be stolen from MS or Apple?

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carage

In this case, more likely Google.