Canada’s Telecommunication Regulator Outlaws Unlimited Bandwidth

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opticallog

This is exactly why you don't give the government the power to regulate how businesses may or may not offer their products.  Under the guise of "making everything fair" and "protecting the consumer" the Canadian government has the authority to regulate how ISPs run their business, and which products and services they can or cannot offer.  Of course, who has the most at stake here and will therefore lobby the hardest to exert the most undue influence on how the regulators regulate?  Oh that's right the large ISPs.  So now they just use the government's regulatory power to protect their own business interests.  Free markets allow consumers to choose what kind of services they pay for, not mega-corporations via lobbying and government coersion.  If there were a freer market in Canada, the major ISPs would be forced through competition for consumer dollars to improve their bandwidth capabilities, service quality, and bandwidth limits.

Be pro-markets, not pro-business.

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tri8gman

*Albeit, the companies shouldn't be allowed to have secret meetings with each other to maximize profit while offering less, but still giving the illusion of competition.

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Caboose

Isn't that price fixing? Which is illegal?

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sniggler

One word: Netflix

 

Shaw, Bell, TELUS and Rogers are afraid of a service that offers a huge selection of last year's movies / TV shows commercial free and of higher quality than SD cable.

 

I argued with Shaw for over an hour on the phone with 3 different people but their answer was more or less the same. Even when faced with my imminent termination as a long-time customer, they couldn't give a flying fsck about whether i stayed or hopped to another provider. As it stands, i've switched to TELUS in the mean time since they are offering 125 GB cap instead of 100 GB and they are said to be 'more lenient' with their over-usage measures.

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Caboose

I switched to TELUS about a month ago and have been really happy with it. I just checked my bandwidth usage and its showing 0.00GB used out of 0.00GB allowed on a 0.00GB plan. From what I can tell, and read, TELUS isn't monitoring Optik internet usage as its IPTV. I'm sure this will change in the future, but as of right now TELUS isn't charging overage fees. I'm sure they're still monitoring usage and will notify you if you use a huge amount, but otherwise they seem to be pretty good.

 

And Optik TV is pretty clear. Also the STB works well when paired with a HTPC (as my setup is). If you can though, try and request an ALU modem to go with the Actiontec I'm sure you've recieved, that way you can use the Actiontec for the Optik TV and your own router for everything else as you are given 2 IP addresses. I can give you more info if you want later.

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compro01

Write to your MPs and the competition buearu

Bandwidth caps are blatantly anti-competitive.  Shaw, Rogers, Telus, and Bell are doing this to lock streaming services out of the market in favour of their own video on demand services.  This is abuse of their market power and they need to be beaten severely for it.

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TechLarry

How can a government go to such lengths to purposely harm their citizens connectivity?

What exactly is the thinking, if any, behind this?

Is this really as simple as the Telco's having the government in their pockets, literally?

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lunchbox73

Hey, the government has to step in and do something before the Canadians use up all their valuable bandwidths. All of you using internet guzzling SUV style computers should feel ashamed. We must protect our natural resources for future generations, eh? Think of the children!!

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paranoid6199

You are a complete and utter retarded GTFO the forums.

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Caboose

He was being sarcastic!

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lunchbox73

LOL. And I know how to actually make sense when I write something.

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deadsenator

Hello....?  He's paranoid!

;~P

 

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LatiosXT

As I heard from another forum: "What's the point of high speed internet if you're bandwidth limited?"

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Keith E. Whisman

Bandwidth caps stifle new technology. What if you have 100gigs and you want to upload it the almighty cloud for back up. Now your fucked because there are bandwidth limits. Someone is telling you that you can only use so much of the internet per month and anymore than that will not be tolerated. With the whole cloud thing and turning the internet into a media rich interface, it demands more bandwidth, in fact unlimited bandwidth, not limited bandwidth. The future is now and we need super high speeds and unlimited bandwidth to fully enjoy all the benefits of the internet from streaming movies, radio, phone, music, gaming, and daily productivity. I don't see how the utility of the internet can be fully realized with restrictions on bandwidth especially when you consider how big HD movies can be and with access speeds the way they are now, bandwidth limits will easily be reached by all but the most square, anti media people around us. Those that don't watch TV or movies are probably the few that will brag about how easy it is to stay within the limitations set forth by the ISP's. 

Plus where does the Government of Canada get the power to decide that a company can't offer unlimited bandwidth? How dare they. You can't tell a company they can't offer that. That just proves to me that the Canadian government is corrupt because it is making it impossible for a smaller company to distinguish itself from it's larger and rich competition. The Canadian officials that made these rules obviously were paid off to make legislation such as this. Why else make a law like this that can only benefit a few large corporations that don't want to expand it's infrastructure to meet demand requirements. 

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Frameboy

Bell canada doubled the cost of their overage fee's yesterday.

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allantang

I use to live in Canada and with shaw I constantly got the over bandwidth emails from them, 100 gigs a month, but now only 25?! WOW i often do that every few days!

I am Canadian, but dont live there any more. I signed the petition with my old address! Gotta fight this shit before it spreads!

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Caboose

No, was 125 now its 100.

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Caboose

I was a Shaw customer. I had been with Shaw for 4yrs and couldn't have been happier. Until I found out that Shaw was instigating an overage fee, Oh and the increased bandwidth that they were offering was a "pilot project" which ended a month ago. So, they increased everyone's download cap and then shurnk them back down. My last Shaw bill was $240 which is unbelievable! When I called to complain, I was told to pretty much suck it up. When I asked the agent if he thought that Shaw charging $1-$2 per GB over the limit was fair, he said that it is very fair and that people like me should be happy it's not higher.

So, I told him that I will be canceling my services. I've since switched over to Telus. Its still a 15/1 connection (WTF is with the pathetic uploads?!) but when I run a speed test I end up hitting ~13.5Mb down and about .85Mb up, but the TV is IPTV so that affects my internet speeds. Otherwise my speed is pretty good. The download cap is set to 125GB per month, but as the TV is also running over the tubes I've read a lot of reports from people stating that Telus isn't charging any overages. My roomate and I have decided that if we both buy a game, only one of us will download it then copy the steam files to the other PC. That way we both get the game but only its only downloaded once, which will help. But I'm going to start using Netflix more and more and I have a new 360 so I'm sure that'll be a hit against me.

But this is complete bullshit. I've signed the petition and remember signing a different one a while ago, but I'm going to call my MPP, MLA as well as the federal government rep and complain about this. This is complete crap. First we have censoring of "Dire Straights - Money for Nothing" after ONE SINGLE COMPLAINT to this.

I love Canada, and I'm damn-hell-ass proud to be Canadian, but bullshit like this just pisses me off so much!

I need to go kill something *fires up L4D2* Where's my mutherfukin' baseball bat? COME'ER ZOMBIE! YOU'RE GONNA DIE.... AGAIN!

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deismanj

Telus went on the news a few days ago and stated that they have no plans to charge overage fee's and are the only major telco doing this, possibly do get more people to switch, but that's fine with me as I am with them and because of this I will stay with them.

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Caboose

How have you liked being with TELUS? I have their Optik TV and HighSpeed. So far I'm pleased with it. Had to fight a bit to get the equipment that I wanted, but I now have an ALU modem, with the DLink router. I've added a switch after the modem and hooked up my own router to it as well. My TV and game consoles are segregated from the rest of my network (only because I don't need a switch after a router this way). The Optik TV wouldn't work with my own router.

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gendoikari1

I've been wishing painful deaths upon the ISP cabal ever since they started throttling torrents; this makes me only hate them more.

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chronium

at least they are providing bandwidth "insurance", which is essentially buying more bandwidth. So I will only end up paying $15 dollars per month for an extra 120gb instead of a few hundred dollars.

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mesiah

This is despicable. Laws like this should simply not exist. It doesn't protect the customer or put a stop to some sort of unfair trade practice. It simply allows the major telecoms to have their way and not force them to be competitive. In the end it will only serve to let Canada fall further and further behind the rest of the world in technology and staying "connected."

Whether we like it or not, the United States is on the same path. No matter how many people take a stand, it likely won't be enough to outweigh the coffers funding the push in Washington. The all mighty dollar will continue to silence the voice of the people. Apparently if we want to live on the cutting edge of technology we have to move to Japan or South Korea...

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I Jedi

Could America fall prey to the same greedy tactics that Canada's largest ISP has already done? Oh, shit, wait...

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dentaku

When the biggest ISP is also the biggest satellite provider I guess they can do anything they want. They know that many people get their TV online now so they simply used their power to change the laws to make it more expensive for those people.

I switched from Bell to a cable company a few years ago and it's great. I hope my ISP doesn't start capping my bandwidth now.

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alexw1234

There goes my downloads, youtube video watching, and Steam. Very sad. 

Here is url to petition: http://openmedia.ca/meter

Go now and sign citizens of Canada.

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blackdog

The greedy bastards know that streaming video is only going to expand in the future and want to cash in no matter what medium is used, problem is up here certain governments cater to them, until we can get rid of them nothing will be as it should...big companies run countries and politicians not the people as it should be!!!!

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Mighty BOB!

Wow.  This is terrible.  I'm stunned.  Also I can't move to Canada now.

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Ghok

I remember back over 12 years ago I got a broadband connection before most of my online friends even knew what one was. Sadly, in Canada, the internet has slowly gotten worse since then. The telecoms are brutal. Greedy, bloated, everyone hates them. I've been using an independant ISP for the last few years, and they're great, but most people didn't even know they had the option and now they might be forced out of business. I would HATE to go back to using a big telecom. I actually don't use that much bandwidth, but I guess Steam is going to probably start losing my business. The big problem for me is that if everyone has a bandwidth limit, no one can innovate. YouTube would not have been made had bandwidth limits been in place at the time just before it came out. There's no incentive for telecomes to raise the limit (or lower the price), because there's no competition.

It's funny, because this is coming at a time when a lot of typical users are starting to hit the bandwidth limit. I was just talking to a guy at work who hit his bandwidth limit for the first time, and he was charged a huge overage fee for a little extra bandwidth. No one likes when this happens to them, so he did a little research and then went to a smaller ISP. You know, one where they don't do crap like that.

Thanks for covering this Maximum PC. Most of our media is owned by the telecoms, so it's not like this story gets all the coverage that it should. If it did I doubt it would have ever been allowed to happen.

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Jpizza7

I guess we should have seen it coming... It's utterly pathetic that most Canadian's just bend over and take it with modern day services... Our cellphone plans are equally oppressive and pathetic, now it's ILLEGAL to have no bandwidth limitations? How about immoral for companies like BELL to push for such rediculous things! I feel personally very stepped on about this, my ISP is SHAW CABLE INC, they have been fantastic providers of my phone, tv and internet services but even now, they have instituted a bandwidth cap. 100GB is what I get a month or I pay extra.... It's a lot of data still, but I know I download around 120-150GB a month...

If this is indicative of how Canadians' at large will let big companies push us around, it's rather sad. We need to all stand up and fight the tyranny. It really is tyranny in a capatalistic modern age... 

 

Every Canadian should be signing that petition right now...

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Ghok

It's kind of funny, in my last post I said I don't use that much bandwidth, and I didn't figured I did, but I just checked my last couple months usages and I was getting over 80gigs in the last few months. Damn that Steam sale! I cracked over 100 in December! This month so far is not so bad, just about 40gigs. We watch a lot of streaming videos, but I haven't bought any games this month.

The numbers surprised me! I'm currently on a 200gig a month limit (and as of March I will be on a 120gig limit, at an extra cost of $15). I never used to use so much, even just a couple years ago. No wonder I've heard of so many people running into bandwidth limit problems lately.

 

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majorsuave

Bah.

this s*cks. My current provider offers unlimited plans but only to business customers : (http://affaires.videotron.com/web/pme/internet/AccesInternet.do?lang=ENGLISH&target=accesinternet) the good news is anyone can get a commercial account the bad news: they are priced about twice the price of residential offerings.

My current plan is 34$ (after discount) for 7.5Mbps/800k with a 40GB bandwidth limit. 

the next available plan is about 12$ more for 15Mbps/1M with 60GB, I might switch eventually as 40G is not enough with Steam, XBL, Netflix, Youtube and PSN all sucking bandwidth.

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lindethier

Thank goodness there are these regulators around to keep the playing field level, so the consumer is able to benefit from competition between companies. Wait, what?

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eastbayrae

Pretty sad really.

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Sonickid101

If this happened in US I'd be in my Rhode Island state Senators and representatives faces spitting and screaming.

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JE_Delta

Yeah, well this has been in the works since early 2009.

people are protesting now and then, but the freaking CRTC ignored them and let bell have their way.

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JE_Delta

F*** Bell, they have just eliminated all compeitors in Ontario.

And now they are going to charge through the nose for internet :(

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Havok

Bell throtlled me back and ditched my larger bandwidth cap that I orginally had all so we could save, or so they said. Turns out, I did get my bandwidth back (just not the speeds I had) all for a mere 10 dollars extra per month.

Nickels and dimes.

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Ghok

Or you could pay half that price for much better services on an independent ISP.

Well, not anymore...