Asus Mum as Netgear Sues Company for Falsifying Wi-Fi Router Test Results to the FCC

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OpTicaL

Netgear should spend more time fixing their own shietty routers than waste time testing other people's routers. ASUS releases new firmware updates consistently while Netgear's garbage receives no updates after it's released.

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Meta23

Does anyone know what's firmware version that I should go look for for the 300% boost ?

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axiomatic

Never upgrade the FW on my RT-AC66U ever again to keep the 200mw option. Thanks Netgear... you'll get skipped next time I look at routers.

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slim818

I've had the asus rt-ac66u since December and I love it. I got it because the Uverse gateway sucks and I needed an alternative to route my network. It's the best router I've ever had.

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Hey.That_Dude

Hey Netgear,
Since you have so much time to test out your competition's routers, why don't you work on better coding your routers? How about fixing the MAJOR and OBVIOUS security holes in almost all of your routers? How about fixing features that you said you'd provide but break your router? How about making a router that I would be proud to buy?
Sincerely,
That_Dude

P.S. To all companies, Let's pick up the gambit and start offering LTS on some of your products.

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neoprimal

I find it ironic and a little upsetting that Netgear has the time and resources to spend policing their competition when they don't give a rat's ass about their own products once they're a few months old.

I purchased a WNDR4000 at the end of 2011 and the last firmware for it is .90 which was released sometime mid last year. This router has quite a few issues (to be fair, I'm sure most do - they can't be perfect, right?) the most annoying though, being that you can't use it as a file server or it will slow your connection speed to molasses (even when files aren't being transferred) after a short period of time. Then you get wireless drop outs, etc. and you must reboot it.
This has been reported and there are many posts with other issues on their forum and yet no new FW nor even a peep from any of their engineers.

But here we have it....they went out and purchased Asus routers, discovered they were more powerful and are throwing a hissy fit - not only that, but they're even watching the Asus website for their firmware releases?

A very official, WTF?!

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Modroneman

I was seriously looking into getting this router. I figured this would be the same quality as the N66U. Has MPC reviewed the AC66U router yet? I have read other reviews that give it a glowing review. But a lot of people have complained about dropped signals and dead hardware. I want to be future proof when it comes to routers, I currently have a Linksys WRT54GL with DD-WRT installed. Should I wait to buy this one or should I just get a Netgear or Dlink AC compatible router?

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tristone

I bought an AC66U several months ago and that's the best router I ever had. Never had any problem. No reboot except due to a couple of power cuts. Just that now I am a bit worried about the emission issue.

I have never had a netgear so hard to comment on it. But for DLink my experience was mostly unpleasant. So if it's up to me the choice will be quite easy.

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dgrmouse

It's pretty crazy that the companies are compelled to police each other. It seems like the only thing the FCC is good for anymore is catering to communications service providers.

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wumpus

Oddly enough, it is one of the ways that the FCC does things in a sane way. The regulations are all there, but they have no interest in enforcing things unless you actually interfere with somebody (i.e. the FCC gets a complaint), then they will test and make sure that anybody emiting radiation is within the proper limits.

Service providers, and before that broadcasters pretty much run other parts of the FCC to use to enforce monopolies and seek rents. That was pretty much what it was set up as, the parts that "wait for interference, then check, then enforce" are doing things pretty much as well as can be expected (although thier service provider overlords will do everything they can to limit citizen use).

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dgrmouse

wumpus said, "the FCC does things in a sane way. The regulations are all there, but they have no interest in enforcing things unless you actually interfere with somebody"

Are you out of your mind? Did you just make this up?

If the FCC didn't take preventative action, we'd probably have planes crashing from interference with game-boys and cell phones would probably be absolutely impossible to operate in metro areas.

There is a lengthy certification process necessary for any device that carries an FCC ID. You've gotta' take your production device to an independent lab from a list that the FCC has prepared and have it tested before they will certify it. There's also an enforcement bureau at the agency, including departments for field work and investigation. Preventing devices from generating unlawful interference is absolutely within the FCC's charter - this is why I saw irony in the fact that companies are policing themselves.

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The Mac

I think he means after certification during manufacturing...

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The Mac

Be realistic, the manpower required to enforce what you suggest would be fiscally impossible.

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Hey.That_Dude

It's called random sweeps. It tends to work well and is completely fiscally possible because you can't release a product for sale without bringing it to the FCC attention. Those that try tend to have major issues once they are caught. It becomes even more practical after you think about the fact that companies have to sell LOTS of these to turn a profit and the more devices there are, the more likely the FCC is to find them and figure out if it's still a lawful item.

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The Mac

random sweeps are fine, wumpus was suggesting full-time active monitoring.

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aarcane

Most routers can be tweaked to output increased peak power if you install custom firmware. That said, It's not a safety hazard, and it can't cause harmful interference. All it means is that you can get more bars farther away, though in general those bars only work one way because the other end of the connection is usually not similarly tweaked. The end result is a connection that LOOKS stronger but is in fact useless.

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The Mac

the N66U is 80mw stock, and can be tweaked to 200mw.

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Renegade Knight

Netgear burned me on a Refurbished router. I'll only use Netgear if it's the last router on earth.

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Neufeldt2002

Refurbished - that there is the problem, never buy refurbished unless you expect it to only last a day or two if you are lucky. I'm sure you would have had better luck if it was new.

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Renegade Knight

I know the risks. I also know they often shorten up the warranty period. What I didn't expect was zero warranty. Zero support, and zero customer service. I can get that from a no-name brand.

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bjoswald

Could you put DD-WRT on it and call it a day?

(No, it doesn't excuse what they did.)

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The Mac

it actually is DD-WRT, with an ASUS GUI on top.

I own the N66U (it not one of the ones netgear is complaining about, but the firmwares are the same).

Its a fantasic router.

i have the 270 firmaware, and its set for 80mw.

anyone have a newer one one with a different setting?

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tristone

If I remember correctly it's Tomato. Asus re-wrote the UI. Initially it was quite buggy but later a guy fixed most bugs and call it merlin-wrt. And then it became the official firmware.

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The Mac

i knew itwas one of the two.

I was under the impression it was a modified version of the merlin dd-wrt.

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gforaker

Geez, I just ordered the RT-AC66U two days ago. Anybody have the old firmware on disk?

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Cleaver

Wireless networking is serious business.

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GenMasterB

I can say this. I own the RT-AC66U, and after reading this article, I got curious and looked.. Well, yes, ASUS DID remove the router's ability to increase signal boost in its latest firmware update(If not mistaken, it allowed up to 300%).

Damn the bad luck..

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Vano

Do they allow downgrade firmware?

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GenMasterB

Only if you keep a copy.. They removed all older firmware updates from their website.. I did delete my older firmware after this was a successful update, not knowing they removed the boost portion.. I do have it on my NAS's backup drive.. Guess its time to start digging..

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rsaotome

Unless they recently removed the ability, then... yes, they do allow downgrading, since I had to with 2 of their earlier firmwares.