Microsoft Announces First Real Details About Windows 8

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thomas21

Fast launching of apps from a tile-based Start screen, which replaces the Windows Start menu with a customizable, scalable full-screen view of apps. Valentine Cards

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susan89f

Well i am a bit late but would definitely like to say that i am still trying to figure out Windows 7 and there comes a glimpse of windows 8. You guys are amazing. Try to come out with something like an add on with windows 7 which will be gr8. Angry Birds Online

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Fast launching of apps from a tile-based Start screen, which replaces the Windows Start menu with a customizable, scalable full-screen view of apps.Valentine Cards

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GordonGenius

Download Rainmeter (rainmeter.net), then get a skin called Omnimo. It (semi-coincidentaly) looks and acts like the proposed Windows 8 GUI. I'm ready for the release on my Windows 7 netbook!

Omnimo: http://omnimo.info/

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ManRay

I don't like this at all. If this is the future of computing, kill me now. These fucking tablets are ruining everything. Tablets are just a fucking fad that will drop in another year.

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wluffman

IMHO Windows 7 is "Windows done right".  I'm not opposed to having something even better, but I don't really feel a need for anything new and different on my desktop and laptop computers.  To me, it would make sense for Microsoft to first design a separate OS for smartphones and tablets, and then use that as the model for a new version of Windows for PCs (both with and without touchscreens).

I have a bad feeling that a new look-and-feel that's designed for touchscreens will be so different that a lot of current Windows users -- myself included -- will refuse to use it initially.  Of my family's six computers, not one has a touchscreen display; and since five of the six are LCDs bought within the last three years, I expect them to last quite awhile longer before requiring replacement.  Will the average business feel enough of a need forWindows 8 to replace all its current monitors and laptops just to get touchscreens, or will they wait until they have amortized the existing hardware? 

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Knoxximus

@Silencer

"PC gaming is what determines OS adoption.  PlayOnLinux and Wine are the hope of Linux."

PC gaming is just one aspect that determines OS adoption. The other aspects are industry-leading third-party applications and HTPC features, both of them are unmatched in the Linux environment.

Many people use Windows for these reasons and not all of them are necessarily gamers.

Also, Wine is, at best an unreliable way to install windows-based programs and this is coming from someone who had experiences with it.

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Trooper_One

I hope there's a way to turn these 'customization' (e.g. facebook notification, blah blah blah) off?

In case someone goes onto my comp without me knowing (or logging on as an alternate user), I don't want them to see that I got 10 msg's from hot looking friends...

Joking aside, I actually like my destop bland and generic.  I don't need help or that extra 1.2 second in going to a particular site or apps.

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gothliciouz

ugly as hell tablet interface, and it will never make it in my desktop pc.

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Fecal Face

I don't understand why everybody hates this. There was a video linked in the article (on MS's website), and when they launched Excel 2010 (Or one of the office programs, whatever) it switched to the old UI with the taskbar, so obviously you can still use it.

I think the new UI looks beautiful, and will work wonderfully on tablets / touchscreen PCs. Mouse / keyboard control will work too, as said in the video.

I personally will use the old layout, because I use NVIDIA Surround, causing my screens to be treated as a single display, so having applications always fullscreen in the new UI would be either horrendously stretched, or just a waste of screen real estate.

Basically, if you don't like the new UI, don't use it. At least be glad you have the choice. I love the new UI, but I don't see it working with my setup so I'll use the old one.

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kazik

In windows 8, will there be an option to switch between the 'standard' desktop UI and this new UI touch interface?
I prefer mouse & keyboard... and I don't like touch interfaces.

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Maxpcblocksreal...

There's no indication that the UI will be locked in and most likely be optional similar to how Media Center works like an overlay. The post that Doctor X made suguests that the start screen (aka login screen) is indeed locked in. Obviously Doc X and Silencer don't know how to read and recently it's been reported that in order to comply to the tablet UI, MS is enforcing a hardware base guideline which if not followed will in fact default to the traditional desktop so this is even more evidence that this UI will be optional. Considering that the UI is based on using HTML 5 I would assume the UI will be easily customizable also!

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dracx619

i dont know about the readers of this site but it seems every new windows the majority of them come out up in arms about how "fugly" and "terrible" the new version is going to be. on other sites the feedback is much more positive. when win 7 was announced, good god, it was a battle to the death from all the xp folk. now it looks like the story is going to repeat with the win 7 people going crazy and the xp peeps saying "i told you so!"

you people crack me up, that is all...

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monkeyboyx

This is what I was waiting for in Windows tablets. A tablet with a new GUI...similar to zune or WP7 with option to run all my apps that I have and want to run. No need to rebuy apps and or settle for some crapy no name alteranative that somebody made in his basement.  Win..win.

Where do I send the money and how much for the hardware my good man?

I'm sure the purists will be pissed but then again they should just go back to using 95 and living in mud houses. :)

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Maxpcblocksreal...

Except for pc accessories, XBox and Zune players, MS doesn't really manufacture hardware. Windows 8 is basically Windows os with a new touch UI (notice I didn't say tablet ui). You most likely already have the hardware on your desk minus a capacitive touch screen.

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maxeeemum

Looks like I will stick with XP till Windows 9 if Microsoft is still in business. Looks like a dumb move to me. Maybe Linux will go more nainstream with this. I hope MS will change course and put out something more like XP instead of this trend of treating people like dummies like in Vista than Win7.

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johnnymegabyte

looks like the Wii main menu to me.

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riopato

There's really nothing new about this concept but instead of Microsoft relying on manufactures to incorporate a touch interface ui ie. Asus, HP, and Acer etc, MS finally decided to make a native overlay much like in the style of Media Center! I've been waiting for this UI concept on Mac ever since I saw Cover Flow on Apple's iPod! It's odd that Windows has been tablet ready since xp where many HTPC users and Manufacturers took advantage of it's native "touch" interface for years yet never caught on with regular consumers while Apple has yet to make their os x tablet capable. MS's stance on tablet oses is always regarded as limited and the viability of having a universal real operating system will always be thier focus. If anyone actually listen to the video, Windows 8 is not a tablet os! It is a real running os that has a secondary UI that is native to touch and "kinect" type interface! The next Windows os will be a viable tablet os that is also the same os on your desktop as well as the same os on your laptop etc. What consumers are offered now is that windows will be as familar as their phone and I believe that those power users will in fact have the option to disable the UI the same way they can disable Media Center now.
What I wonder is will MS intergrate Media Center into this evolution of Metro and finally get rid of Media player and finally start intergrating Zune desktop the same way Mac's Front Row intergrates iTunes on os x!

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Ry03

This strikes me as a tablet OS more than anything, I would hate to use it on my gaming machine unless I can go back to the current UI. Seems like Microsoft is going the way of Apple, kinda dissapointing. 

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Maxpcblocksreal...

It's a touch UI overlay with basically the succesor of Windows 7 os underlying the new interface. Not a tablet os. MS has been very clear for years that there has been no interest in developing a tablet os and WP7 wasn't designed for tablets.

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Ghok

If you actually watch the video that's being linked to, you'll see that a lot of the questions being asked in these comments are answered.

This UI looks like it kind of just slides over the existing UI and is good for the type of quick tasks you'd want to do on a tablet. It'd also be good for people who don't have a lot of computer knowledge and who have no business ever going into a file system. I'm not one of them, and honestly hate the first month or so of a fresh Windows install where I have to constantly convince the damn computer that I'm not an idiot. Anyway, this UI is not something I ever think I'd use outside of a phone or tablet, and I'd probably turn it off. I also have to agree that it's damn ugly, but I assume I can change the colours if I want to.

I found the demonstration of having TWO WINDOWS OPEN AT ONCE AND SIDE BY SIDE!!!!!!!!111 to be hilarious. Okay, maybe that'd be impressive on a tablet? I don't know.

I bought Windows 7 less than a year ago, and as I have no tablets (and won't until the price goes down a lot) this Windows does not interest me at all.  I only liked to buy a new Windows every four years or so.  That said, I don't think it's harmful either, and the idea of a Windows that can work well on a desktop and tablet is a good idea. The only thing is that if the focus on tablet takes away from how it works on a desktop PC, that's not a good thing for me. It's also not a good thing for Microsoft. Linux becomes a more viable solution every year, as more and more things that I do no longer require Windows. Desktops aren't going away. I'm sure there's a Linux out there that would cater to those of us feeling left behind by Windows.

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Maxpcblocksreal...

What if you want a tablet and a portable pc that does both? This is what Windows 8 is!

For anyone who currently has Windows 7 Home premium and up, go to your start menu and search for Media Center and run it. Does this program look familiar now?

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j814wong

Dear god!  This is ugly!  The tiles!  Tiles work on tabelts and phones but not desktops!   I use Ubuntu so I may be biased but I'm not the only one who says Windows 8 looks horrible.  And another thing...  Looking at this, I can only imagine how much system resources Windows 8 will consume.  Just another reason to force users to upgrade to newer computers for optimal support. 

 

Honestly, the tiles jsut cramp too much together.  The tops and bottoms of the interface waste so much space.  Surely it could be less cramped.  Yes maybe it does look modern and good to use...ON A TABLET! 

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Maxpcblocksreal...

You think Ubuntu has a good touch interface? What you smoking?

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riopato

I assume you prefer static icons spaced in a grid over tiles that contain relevant information and love to go in and out of gimped apps instead of real programs also. to each is own.

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j814wong

Oops sorry for double post

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michaelh

The UI's the fugliest thing I've seen called a UI in a decade.

It may work perfectly well for a tablet GUI though.  I admit, it's a fantastic idea to have the same OS running on all of your devices - particularly if you can keep applications and information synced across them effortlessly. 

That rectangular grafitti-on-Pantone-color-catalog monstrosity is definitely nothing I want to have as my user experience.  I don't really care how functional it is if it makes my eyes bleed.

 

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riopato

Frankly I still want MS to resurrect Courier

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Columbia747

What the fuck is this shit

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Maxpcblocksreal...

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someuid

Oh my god, I just vomitted on my keyboard.

That tile UI front screen is disgusting.  It looks not like a UI but a magazine advertisement complete with happy colors and happier people all in a happy, perfect lala land were we all enjoy sunny 80F weather and moutain biking and playing with our grandkids all day long or watching the Twilight saga and wishing we were one of the main characters.

Revolting.  I hope it is fully hideable or customizable down to the colors, tile sizes and content of each tile.  I could live with a Borderlands tile UI, or something from the crazy mind of Steven King, but not that happy/shiny crap.

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ccardarelli

I'm very disappointed that Windows 8 looks like a Windows Phone 7 just started vomiting fruit loops profusely all over my desktop.

Also looks like a big white flag to me, and if Microsoft thinks they're going to be able to compete like this with Apple and Google, they are going to get slaughtered and it will not be pretty. Obviously this is early on and I am not stoked, but they do have time to win me back.

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ChyITGuru

Wow! I thought I've seen it all! Tablets are great and all for those people who are on the go a lot and only do minimal computing but my god why would you bring a tablet interface to a desktop, what a joke! I use both a PC and Mac and this is by far the worst thing Microsoft could have come up with, hell my Mac doesn’t have an interface as bad as that! I don’t understand why Microsoft would model an OS based on phone UI that no one likes and to say the least has the lowest sales and the smallest market share, way to go Microsoft, i honestly believe that if this really happens people will be switching to open source OS or Mac/OSX instead of using this pile of crap one support ends for Windows 7 which will eventually happen.

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Maxpcblocksreal...

Your Mac has Front Row and Coverflow that doesn't work with a touch screen! How retarded is that? I would like to build a touch screen HTPC with this os and have my own choice of media player and software. you also don't know how to read an article nor have the ability to listen to a video demonstration.

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DoctorX

I agree... but linux is in a bit of a pickle itself... gnome3 and unity havent exactly been setting the world on fire.

 

I saw a screenshot of Lion, and actually looks more like a tablet... not sure if that is a good thing or not..

 

Also... omfg... another app store?

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Hydra

This some what reminds me of what Ubuntu 11.04 did.  Make one OS for all platforms.  A lot of Ubuntu lovers, including me, hate the new UI for Ubuntu.  I don't see this going over very well either.  I'm not bashing Windows here, I actually like Win7, but Win8 looks like a mess.

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TerribleToaster

 

I'm amazed at how many people know that Windows 8 will fail already.

All we've really been told here is the OS will be able to act like a normal OS and a tablet OS, that there will, in fact, be a IE 10, and Window will natively support HTML 5. Giving that the second two things were pretty obvious all we are working with is the idea that the OS can work as a standard desktop UI and/or a tablet UI. That's a pretty damn vague statement.

We don't know if the tablet UI is going to be "force feed" to us, we don't know how well Win8 will perform vs Win7 in processing. We don't really know anything other than:

1. Win8, like Win7 before it, will use less resources that its predecessor.

2. Win8 is still in development and subject to change.

3. Don't expect a release date any time soon.

 

Short version:

Complaining about how bad Win8 is going to do now is like complaining about how your unborn son is a disappointment to you and your spouse because he'll never get into *insert school here*.

Personally, I'd recomend to reserve judgment until we know more. But as the maxim goes:

Haters gonna hate.

 

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DoctorX

maybe you should read some more.. The UI is NOT optional and cannot be turned off.  from tested.com (will smith's new haunt)

 

 

Here are some other notable takeaways from the interview and presentation, including how Windows 8 was and wasn't inspired by Apple's iPad.

  • Development on Windows 8 started almost immediately after Windows 7 shipped in 2009, months before the iPad's debut. The new Windows Store, however, reflects a idea that Microsoft adopted after the iPad's success.
  • Windows 8 will boot to a new lock screen that's more like a phone's lock screen than the traditional desktop login screen. It'll have a clock, calendar appointments, and notifications.
  • Internet Explorer 10 has been built as a new type of Windows app.
  • As announced at CES, Windows 8 will run on both x86 systems and ARM-powered devices. The first ARM devices will be demoed on the floor at Computex. ARM versions of Windows 8 won't have legacy app compatibility through an emulation layer, which would have been a big technical challenge.
  • Like with Windows 7, Windows 8's system requirements will not be higher than that of its predecessor, meaning systems that can run Windows Vista will support Windows 8.
  • The new Start Screen can't be turned off (no word on whether you'll be able to disable it as the default view), but OEMs won't be able to disable the Desktop, either (eg. for tablets).
  • Windows 8 won't come out this fall.

 

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Maxpcblocksreal...

It's obvious that you don't know how to read. the UI is not locked in but the start screen is. Do you know what a start screen is? This os isn't even close to final so things can change from now.

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TerribleToaster

 

I'm not going to claim that I have been following news on Win8 with any gusto (seeing as any release is far off), but from what was written in this very article, particularly:

'What sounds (and looks) a little dicey is that the awesome, modern tile UI is basically just a skin over Windows. The rest of the "classic Windows desktop" is still there, looking underneath, albeit adjusted to be more touch friendly with "fuzzy hit targeting," so regular Windows applications will work with touch or keyboard/mouse. ' 

Makes me believe that the "classic" desktop UI is there. It also doesn't make much sense to me to get rid of it, as that would take more effort on their part to get rid of something that isn't really a hindrance. And if these complaints are about the new start screen, why? Basically all it seems to be, so far, is a customizable lock screen that can display more than just a list of users and ask for a login/password key. People have been asking for that for years, so pardon my confusion. 

 

Regardless, Win8 is still in development. It's still in the rather early stage of development. Things can (and most likely, for better or worse, will) change. And yet, people are already swearing off using Win8 based on nothing more than conjecture about features that aren't clearly detailed and that may or may not be in the final build of Win8. It's foolishness. Such speculation gives no gains. When MS starts to think about a release date, then I would start to speculate on the worth of the OS. Until that time I will speak no evil, least I make myself the fool.

 

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legacy2013

I agree.

This new desktop looks great for when I want to jump on my PC quick and just get a few updates on things. Then, if I want to game, have more control, etc, I switch to the old UI and start doing whatever I want to do. Most of the people here are power users, who I can see not wanting to deal with this interface 100% of the time, and I agree,but Microsoft already stated the old UI is still there!

I'm a developer and want a development environment I can customize and make my own so its fast and has exactly what I need when I need it, but I'm also a person who wants to be able to jump on the computer, see what I need to see, and leave without having to go too many places.

I also see the new UI as a great idea for people who are not that great with computers. My parents would have such an easier time using the computer with everything right in front of them to begin with. I also help people set up and repair computer, and I know some of the older folk I work for would have such an easier time learning with an interface like this.

 

 

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dracx619

"I also see the new UI as a great idea for people who are not that great with computers."

not to mention making it so they dont have to, need to, or be curious enough to dig through the computer and muck something up and having to call us every 5 minutes

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dracx619

im with you.

from my understanding, the old ui is still there so when needed..its STILL THERE. i think it may be a good change. i actually love the metro ui it is very simple, smooth, and modern. many techies don't care for it, hate it or whatever and i can understand why and thats fine. i believe in that the everyday user will benefit greatly from this ui. really, what do people mainly use their computer for? quick browsing, videos, pictures...all basic stuff. i do hope there is something different for businesses that dont need or want touch cause i can definitely see this getting annnoying.

for when techies like us need to do something more involved, we can easily call up the old ui and do what we have to do. i really dont see the problem here. from what i understand, there isn't a native way to turn the metro ui off but really, how long before someone figures out a  way to shut it off and shares it with the world? im willing to give it a shot. for tablets and phones, its a win imo. we just have to see it and test it with a normal computer/laptop and see how it goes but calling it an immediate failure is definitely very premature seeing as how windows 8 is probably nowhere near done yet.

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ThomFrost

all i can say is ewwwwwwwwwww

if they make it so we can switch to windows 7 type look then it will be ok but still ewwwwwwwww

 

what is ms doing dumbing down the os for the slow apple users to they will cross back over?

 

ewwwwwwwwwwwwww

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