Windows 7 Review: XP vs Vista vs 7 in 80+ Benchmarks

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nekollx

 or run the games in XP MODE!

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Digital-Storm

Games aren't meant to run in XP Mode. XP Mode is still a Virtual PC, which in effect, brings all of its performance degradations.

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nekollx

 just saying...it is a option to try...hell i have a game that won't support XP :/

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Cadillac Rob

OK, I drank the Kool-Aid and here's what the trip has been like so far:

I've had beta's of 7 Ultimate 32 and 64-bit for over a year now. On my last main system (Athlon X2 6400+, Asus M2N32-SLI Deluxe, 2 GB Corsair Dominator, 2 Nvidia 8800's in SLI, WD Raptor, 750GB Barracuda 11) it was ok and since it was new I wasn't used to it. The 64 bit verion was better than the 32 but lack of drivers made things frustratiing. When the mobo puked and I upgraded a few months ago (AMD Phenom XII 955, Asus M4A79 Deluxe, 6GB Corsair Dominator 1066, WD VelociRaptor). I stuck to using XP 32 and 64 most of the time until the Seagate HD died and hosed the whole system. I wiped a 74GB Raptor clean and used it as a head drive to fix everything with my last RC of 7 64-bit installled and now I LOVE it. I'm running 4 OS's in this box (XP 32 and 64, 7 32 and 64) and 7 64-bit wins hands-down. I finally got the interface tuned the way I like it and it's FAST! Doing the menushowdelay 0 delay hack in regedit makes things almsot instant when you hit "enter". IE 8 is much more friendly in 7 64-bit than XP 64-bit, even Flash works. Using Yahoo Mail the difference in loading speed is very much appreciated, no delays any more. The Web experience is noticably improved in general.

Nero is quicker and I hope that Ahead comes out with a true 64-bit version soon. I do a lot of audio recording and editing, I'll never go back to a 32-bit OS again. The differences are more than minor, perfomance counts. The inclusion of native .ISO burning is great and faster than Nero in 32-bit. I've only managed to crash the computer once (driver issue) and I beat it at times like a red-headed step-child. So far, so good. When this RC beta expires next May I'll have to find a way to hustle up a comparable replacement at little or no cost to myself.

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JohnP

  Me, I did not find any good reason to run Win7 64. Yes, I had my 6GB of memory show up but for the life of me, I could not find an app that seemed (subjectively) to run any faster. Mind you, this is a recreational machine so no Adobe or other multithreaded apps. That lack of being able to run my most productive apps and lack of half of the drivers I needed was the deal breaker. I went back to Win7 32 without regrets.

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GuitarBizarre

Lack of drivers? THat does surprise me. I'm running a realyl bizarre set of hardware on this machine with win 7 RC x64 and I've not had anything fail to be recognized...even my external DAC set up fine first time.

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alanmc76

 Thanks for driving up prices for the rest of us.  We appreciate it.  No, we really, really appreciate it.  Come on over here so I can slap you on the back of the head.  Sheesh.

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script kiddy

im pretty new to the compute world but im taking cit classes at school but this is my first semester so i dont no much but i am learning but will someone please compare xp,7,an linux for me in a nutshell what are the MAJOR differences between them because so far all im seeing is the look an feel of the of the desktop but dont get me wrong i no theres more its just very puzzeling 2 me

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nekollx

 it's not like it's all that expensive either.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=2060350368%204811%201179212716&name=Professional

 $139 buck, for some you admit isleaps and bounds superior...thats...less then 3 games for Gate's Sake.

 

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alanmc76

 $39 for students.  But I was jus' sayin'...generally speaking.

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8bitmaster

due to being a college cs student, I have had the offical windows 7 free since september and it is as good as people say.

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nekollx

 Hi i'm a Pirate.

I love 7 64-Bit, it blows away XP 64, but i don't want to spend money on a product i admit to loving dearly.

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nsk chaos

definately better than vista on most parts but quite on par with xp aside from gaming in benchmarks...

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xchrissypoox

thats a myth, some old games do run better on xp, some new games run better on vista and 7 with DX9. But much of the times the performance is the same.

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nekollx

 Soooo the Best of Both Worlds?

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nsk chaos

i guess so, eh?

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gymbeau2000

Myabe I'm just lucky or maybe I'm an educated computer user that all Max PC readers should be, but My Launch party Win7 Ultimate was a DREAM install over Win 7 RC.  I tried the upgrade, but said I was not eligiable.  Which is sort of strange cause we were clearly told the RC qualified as a foundation.  I was happy though cause a fresh install was what I wanted, I was just being cautious.  Anyways, From disc in to Opening IE for the first time to hurry and install Firefox = 23 mins.  I'm running a simple Pent D on a midlevel Asus board with 4gb of ram and a 800GTX.  Nothing fancy.  It runs great..not even a single hiccup.  I leftit running for days, rebooted it several times...installed things...tried to see if any of the normal Vista problems were there and saw none.  Also recieved multiple hotfixes.  People complain that there should be no fixes, but i would rather be pounded with them frequently than be ignored.

Was online even before desktop loaded, wireless printing and scanning is faster than Vista and was set up fast and easy.  I think the only flaw is IE is still to bloated.

 So if you had problems, either your a doomsayer, a plant, a mac/linux fanboy or not very well educated on how to have your system set up.  I always say 95% of computer problems are user error (i.e. downloading BS, sloppy browsing, clickingthings without reading and such)

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alanmc76

Our IT department has blamed the majority of user complaints on CCD for years. (Compulsive Clicking Disorder)

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wk

a week ago i tried win 7. first thing i noticed i didn't need any driver to be installed on 3 different laptops WOW

that what u can call progress. desktop looks neat and everything work perfectly

ram usage and performance are remarkable

i didn't spend much time with it but i dislike not having an option for classic start menu, also i dislike ribbons, it is very stupid idea without any real benefit.

i used win 98 SE, ME, XP for many years and Vista (home premium) for about one year (came preinstalled on laptop), so i have to give win 7 more time to figure out all positive/negative aspects but overall it look promising and really there is progress.

MPC is my home page

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BlazePC

I'm a Windows House Party 7 host, meaning, I received a pre-release of an official copy of Win 7 Ultimate.

First I tried an upgrade, onto a completely stable and blistering fast Vista Ultimate platform.  One word - nightmare.  On the geek/proficiency meter I consider myself a 9 on the 10 scale for building rigs and configuring apps/OS's.  The Windows 7 Compatibility wizard is a joke and only flagged one potential issue out of many I experienced on the "upgrade" path.  Needless to say, I restored my Vista image and proceeded try a clean install onto a second partition - Dual Boot.  No anti-virus as it's a benign side salad build now, no apps, just a clean install with all the current Windows Updates and nothing more - not even the bogus Windows Live crap they've migrated to instead of the built in (and once handy) Windows Mail and Photo Gallery.

Even clean and pristine, I get Nvidia driver errors on each boot cycle, registry/memory leaks and some other goof crap - mind you - all utilizing the same hardware that my Vista Ultimate platform uses without such errors.  Win 7 is premature and although not Epic Fail, it just proves once more that M$ is sloppy as all get up.  Hell, HP doesn't even have printer software that's certified to work.

 ri·dic·u·lous  

I'm glad I got it for free.  This situation is no different that any prior release and demands the same prudent approach that has served me (and many others) well since the Windows Millenium debale; wait for some significant updates and/or at least until the 1st service pack is released.  Otherwise it's a situation  fraught with problems...

To anyone that says, "you don't know what you doing, my rig runs great", I would suggest you learn how to monitor your event logs...

Peace Out

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8bitmaster

I understand where you would have problems. Why not give it another shot though? 7 runs great. I was one of the people who did like vista, but 7 is a great improvment, and I do not plan to go back.

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8bitmaster

I understand where you would have problems. Why not give it another shot though? 7 runs great. I was one of the people who did like vista, but 7 is a great improvment, and I do not plan to go back.

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nekollx

 Wahhh! my instalation wasn't perfect, and as a self proclaimed expert I CLEARLY know better then everyone else with flawless installs including the site i'm blogging on. Clearly it's a soddy product and you should ignore all the praise because of my bad test case.

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BlazePC

To anyone that says, "you don't know what you doing, my rig runs great", I would suggest you learn how to monitor your event logs...

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nekollx

 and anyone who insist their results are indicititve of the norm yet are contrary to massive userfeed back i suggest you "look in a mirror" for the source of the problem.

Usually when 20 people say "this works great!" and one says "this is horible." it's not the 20 who are wrong...

 

jus' sayin'

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alanmc76

 I guess we idiots have better luck than the so-called experts.  Upgraded flawlessly from the RC to my pre-release signature edition. (after creating a bootable flash-drive and a minor tweak an .ini file).

I'm still bummed it was signed by Ballmer.  I was hoping for Eva Mendez  ;)

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BlazePC

To anyone that says, "you don't know what you doing, my rig runs great", I would suggest you learn how to monitor your event logs...

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GuitarBizarre

You are aware that copying and pasting the same line of yourself claiming to be superior to everyone here, isn't ACTUALLY an argument, correct?

 I installed RC fine, no problems whatsoever. Easiest install I've ever done. What the fuck operating system did YOU install?

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alanmc76

 yes, and it's squeaky clean.  What's the matter with yours?

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damicatz

I fail to see anything to justify spending hundreds of dollars on this.

Compiz makes these new Aero features look like gimmicks by comparison.

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GuitarBizarre

Oh my word, an arrogant linux user, I AM surprised.

 For what its worth I've tried linux a few times before. Every single time I came away with the impression its a ridiculous mess that requires an obscene amount of calibration before an end user can even approach it. Lots of things in it just don't make any sense whatsoever to boot. Like for example, support for filetypes. On windows, you install the codec and thats it. On linux there are about 4 different ways to install one thing, except that only one of them works.

 

Then theres the ENDLESS trips to terminal to do things that should already be standard in the OS.

 

Besides, most of the changes from Vista in 7 are under the hood, or minor tweaks to UI. Its not meant to be a next generation spaceage upgrade to the visuals because THAT WOULDNT MAKE SENSE.

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fnordfnord

There is progress, then there are companies trying to push the same old product in new packaging.

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alanmc76

The Ford Model A had 4 wheels, the 2009 Mustang Cobra has four wheels.  Same company, much different product.  Windows 7 is the same product in a different package?   I beg to differ.

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nekollx

 Bah it's worse then that

The Model T and Cobra both have 2 doors, roofs, engines, seats, a searing wheel and a drive train. Bah stupid repackage.

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digitalvibe

Some day people will understand that no matter what you say nor thing, progress will take place. I really whish the internet and forums were around and acessible to the masses back when I was 9 and using our 486-dx2 66mhz box with dos 6.22, imagine the b*tching and moaning that probably would have taken place when MS was hyping up windows 3.0, or even better...when they started hyping up win 95....get the hell over it you idiots, this crap has been happening for longer than most of you have been computing. If you don't like what is going on, then just man up and learn how to use linux, or get a Mac, and then throw a fit when they introduce a new OS, they have it way too easy anyway. If not, understand that your software will become outdated! Or are you still using your copies of Corel 3.1 and quark express back from 1994??

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fnordfnord

So what your saying is software just updated frequently?

 

and i did have a compaq presario 486-DX2 with Win 95, and that was a piece of crap too. Get a MAC people it just works unlike windblos.

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8bitmaster

when you can build a mac for under $1000 let me know and ill show you my flying pig.

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xchrissypoox

while I don't like macs (read: can't stand them, use them at school) they do have shitty overpriced mac minis for $600 and $800, and you can build a hackintosh for even less. either way OS X is garbage, if I ever receive a mac windows will be on there so fast.

Also at school we use tiger and programs crash at least once a week. I never ever ever have crashes in windows, even when I was using vista (which is a great OS).

"macs: they just don't work."

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fnordfnord

its a tweaked vista, its gonna flop like vista.  if people like that look just get the real thing OS X. Windblows will never come close to it.  Its inherently running on bad code, it will eventualy get corrupt all by its self,  add some viruses and malware and your formating your system before you know it.  Ask an Mac user when is the last time they formated there system.

 I switched like a year ago to a MAC, and never looked back. I used to be a hardcore PC guy, and till this day im amazed sometimes that im not running any kind of virus app or firewalls.

 

OS X rules.

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PICNIC

My family has 3 self built PCs and 1 24" iMac and I'm here to tell you the Mac and OSX are NOT the Panacea Mac zealots would have you believe.  I will have to applaud Apple for their Applecare service as they provided a completely new iMac after the first one had one problem too many.  On the other hand the Applecare service plan costed a over $200 at time of purchase.

It is humourous to see an OSX user call Vista "a flop" considering Vista has 3X the market share OSX does*.

Oh, just for the record, I've been using PCs (with antivirus software) for almost 20 years and have not encountered a single virus.  Smart computing is smart computing regardless of what OS you prefer.  Provided you do not indulge in risky online activities computing on a PC is not the virus fest some would have you believe.  I manage over 400 Windows PCs at work and even with the abundance of computer novices we have it's rare (maybe 1 or 2 infected computers yearly) to encounter a virus and even then it's been quarantined or deleted harmlessly.

If you are truly knowledgible when it comes to IT you know OSX and Linux are vulnerable to viruses - probably moreso than Windows.  Why?  Because Mac and Linux users have a false sense of security - i.e "not running any kind of virus app or firewalls".  Hopefully for you your luck holds - there have been viruses for the Mac in the past and THERE WILL BE VIRUSES FOR THE MAC IN THE FUTURE.

Don't get me wrong, Apple makes some wonderfully innovative products.  I love the build quality and aesthetics of almost everything they ship.  OSX is a fine OS for a computing neophyte with limited computing needs.  I'd be willing to bet most Mac users never purchase more than one or two pieces of software as their needs are fulfilled by iLife (included).  It's a good thing cause unless you're in one of the niches (graphics or music production) where the Mac does well you'll find a vast dearth of software for OSX.

And to those of you who buy a Mac and then put Windows on it...guess what...Microsoft couldn't care less what hardware you're running Windows on as long as you paid for it and it's legal.

*Operating System Market Share References

http://gs.statcounter.com/#os-ww-monthly-200809-200910
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_desktop_operating_system

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GuitarBizarre

So what you're saying is that you've never actually used windows 7 but you're here to espouse your bullshit as if we care? This is maximumPC. I doubt the majority of us are particularly receptive to your macfaggery here.

 

Not to mention, EVERY SINGLE TIME I have ever used a mac in the past (Including just this week) I've come away thinking 'Style over substance every time, as usual.' because of the hundreds of things apple does that make no sense whatsoever in the UI and in performance.

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8bitmaster

let me know when I can run decent programs as well as build one the way I want for under $1000 and I will show you my flying pig.

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alanmc76

 You used to be a hardcore PC guy, switched to Mac over a year ago, and yet you are still frequenting MaxPC.  Sounds like you're looking back to me.  It's ok, we won't hold it against you.  Just admit it, that's the first step to recovery.

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nekollx

 *codes virus forOSX, watches it burn in 5 seconds. Get's bored and plays Crysis*

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BlazePC

basement dwelling pud pulling boredom set in huh?

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alanmc76

 You seem awfully familiar with basement dwellings.  Does the light hurt your eyes?

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jimc52

Ok, I am a rat ass...but who cares?  I read this entire article, word-for-word and I remain deeply UNIMPRESSED with W7.  Maybe you are chakra enabled power happy about it, but my chakra level on this O/S remains at low ebb.  I am not power infused with your words.  I don't see how these meesly little tweaks amount to a $300 bill for one copy of Ultimate.  I could care less about grouping files together.  I HATE big icons!  I want tiny icons on my desktop and I wished Microsoft would quit trying to make the O/S for the BLIND.  I got rumor on ZDNET that Microsoft is thinking about eliminating the keyboard - rumor has it...and buddy, if they get rid of the keyboard, I finally am gonna get rid of Microsoft outta my life...I happen to love my keyboard and I want it!  So there Microsoft, take it in the ear.  I call your performance results paltry.  Where are the huge gains?  Barely scrubbing the bottom of the tank, Vista and W7 seem to still be struggling with XP SP3 performance levels.  Am I supposed to be impressed with the fact that Microsoft uses the compatibility layer as a carrot-ona-stick to get me to buy their more expensive version just so's I have the privilege of running older software?  I am frankly TIRED of this game of outdating software and hardware and making me PAY through my gonads for new software.  Don't they get it at Microsoft ?????  7.5 million people are out of work and wondering if they can feed their family tonight.  7.5 million people don't have money to buy new software or even upgrade their older machines.  Millions of people are loosing their homes and going bankrupt.  Tsk Tsk, its like the blinders are on full scope and Microsoft isn't looking.  Ok, DirectX 11, Microsoft wants to do in XP at last!  Oh boy!  Not yet, I am afraid, until America goes back to work again.  I am very fortunate to be one of those few Americans still working and maybe able to afford upgrading my computers to W7...but I am going to hold on for at least 6 months, maybe a year, until W7 SP1 comes out to fix all the blunders and security leaks they have every time they create a new O/S.  I want to hit Microsoft on the head with a wrench is what I want to do.  These so called "enhancements," are paltry.  Where is the huge expansion in utilities and new features?  HEY!  I am running Vista Ultimate on two of my machines and XP Pro on one machine.  But I don't like Microsoft coming around outdaing any of my other hardware, like my PRINTERS, my SCANNERS and other hardware I paid good money for.  HP is especially aggregious about not updating drivers.  I am running 64 bit on my two Vista computers, one of which I built (the other is a laptop).  I waited nearly two years to go to Vista and I hate the search function.  And, I cannot SET the view I want to see in Windows Explorer.  I want to see all of my files with small icons in a list view without having to manually set it that way...there is no way to do that in VISTA.  And I wished Microsoft would DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. 

 I am going to wait and see..no rush to buy W7.  I did check with HP on my laptop, which I bought in APRIL 2009...guess what, no free upgrade to W7 for me!  I had to buy my laptop from June 1.  So I told HP, the next time I have $3000 to spend on a laptop (yeah, I bought their most advanced HDX laptop), I would REMEMBER it.  I am more than peeved that I have a brand new $3000 HP HDX laptop computer this is not elegible for a free upgrade to W7 just because I fell 1-1/2 months short.  So now, HP is finished as far as a laptop provider to me and Microsoft can just sit there on their kissers for the next year or two before I shell out any money for W7.  You say, Oh!  That is why he is so PO'd!  Noooooo, that is not the reason why.  I read the article intently to see honestly if I wanted to buy W7 and I see no big deal about it that intreagues me to shell out $1000 for three computers in my home just so I can get bigger icons, group my files, get DirectX 11 and outdate my software and maybe some of my hardware too...I wanted to see a significant reason for a ROI, and I don't see anything...not ONE thing, that causes me to want to upgrade.

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digitalvibe

This is amazing...so Microsoft is responsible for the hardware industry building faster processors, video cards, larger hard drives. Man...those bums, if they had not been so greedy I would still be happily chugging along on my 486dx-66 with my 9600 baud modem looking at statically coded web pages full of text, and just maybe a really crappy looking picture that took 5 mins to load. Of course with my luck the cyrix chip that ran hotter than hell would have just caught on fire and my computer would have be smoked....man progress sucks.

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cuteyface

Vista ,windows 7 whatever i say its all looks.sidebar gadgets nice.but i prefer to stick with xp and use an application called rocket dock in which u can make windows look like a mac if u want. there thousands icons docklets,skins and best of all its all free u can even use stacks

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Galraedia

How much did Microsoft pay you to do this review?

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