Patriot Torqx 256GB MLC SSD

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nevrUmind

Thanks, howson - I had seen the Newegg horror stories, I mean reviews, and just grew increasingly doubtful that any of the current SSD crop truly rises to the level of reliable and consumer-friendly. And the relentless rise in RAM prices this past half-year means these drives aren't budging from their painful price points. That's a pretty lethal one-two punch for prospective buyers.

And after emailing both sales & tech at Patriot, I got contradictory responses from the two departments within the company itself! As far as I can tell, you're right about the controllers (m28 = Samsung, Torqx = Indilinx), and it appears that flashing either model with Patriot-supplied firmware updates is a huge PITA compared to other brands, and wipes the drive to boot.

The other conclusion I'm drawing from everything I've read is that the Intel 160GB 2nd-generation is still the best bet, at least right now, if your #1 priority is reliability. And not just reliability: although it may fall short on synthetic tests, if you look at more real-world stuff like PCMark Vantage, you'll be tempted to conclude that Intel's controller more than makes up for any synthetic sequential write speed shortcomings. Check out a hothardware 2/2/2010 review of the upcoming Vertex Pro -- pp7 & 8 -- Intel still rules vs. current models, and lags the future Vertex Pro on only one test.

That, blindhorizon, is why everybody tries to tout their raw synthetic write speeds vs. Intel. It's salesmanship, but it's probably not reflective of real-world use. 

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howson

I meant the utilities at the PATRIOT site...sorry for the typo...

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howson

The M28's have the SAMSUNG controller. I know--I bought one thinking I was getting the Indilinx controller. MaxPC emphasizes the "hot indilinx controller" but doesn't spell out that there is a "slower" Samsung-controller version. And yes, the Patriot site sucks. Read the reviews on Newegg!

The 64GB version of the M28 I purchased is shown in DEVICE MANAGER as a SAMSUNG MMCRE64G5MXP-0VB. With the original firmware it does NOT support TRIM and none of the utilities provided at the SAMSUNG site work with the drive.

I did find a firmware update (VBM19C1Q) at SAMSUNG's site. I installed it (while holding my breath) and now the disk supports TRIM. I probably "voided" the warranty by doing this, but without a way to "clean" the drive it was going to be worthless over time anyway.

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blindhorizon

I'm seeing more and more SSDs with really high read and writes, and they always compare them to the Intel X##-M drive with the really slow write times,  why bother comparing them the the intel if its slower in most fields anymore?

and does having a super fast write speed make that much of a differance? 

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nevrUmind

Is this the 'M28' series [model PTX256GS25SSDR] or the 'other' series [model PFZ256GS25SSDR]? And can anybody explain the difference between the two model lines? Because the Patriot site is no help at all, spec sheet links there are busted, forums there are full of contradictory statements, etc. And you can't tell from their firmware page whether any model has TRIM support out of the box, or must be flashed to get it.

It amazes me they don't have any sort of product-comparison chart there, a 'help me choose' page, etc. And I should have thought the MaxPC reviewer would specify the exact model he was reviewing.  

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lhatten

It's all about price.  I don't care if it is 2 TB, if it is more than 1.5 times a mechanical, not interested.

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SleepyCatChris

"Intel’s drive is still the champion in random-write access times"

 

Huh? .29ms is faster than .6ms.

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arch-chancellor

As I recall, you need to look at the number after the decimal. So in this case .2 is smaller than .6

My brian is starting to hert, so I shut op know.

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nsvander

It's a Typo, if you read this article it lists the speed as .09.

 

http://www.maximumpc.com/article/reviews/intel_x25m

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NicciAdonai

The Intel drive gets the best score in PCMark and Premiere Pro despite having the worst speed of the three in all but Sustained Read. What does that mean?

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Peanut Fox

The Intel drive can handle many times more I/O's per second.  Adding to that is the controller which helps manage command queuing.  When programs, or the OS start to make a lot of request from the drive the drive is able to maintain high transfer rates.  Drives that do a poor job of this will drop performance as request to the drive start to stack up.  That's why while the Intel drive doesn't have the fasted speeds, it's speed will remain mostly unaffected in most situations.

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