PC Building Guide FAQ: Part 1
Posted 07/14/07 at 10:46:41 AM by Paul Lilly
So you subscribe to Maximum PC, opened an account on the forum, and currently find yourself debating whether you feel confident enough to build your own dream machine, or have someone else do it for you. Having read guide after guide and post after post, you're fairly certain you could pull it off, but what about any tech support issues that pop up afterwards? Wouldn't it be easier to just configure a Dell and be done with it?
The answer is yes, it would, but it wouldn't be nearly as satisfying as building yourself. And tech support shouldn't be a compelling reason to go with an OEM boutique, unless you consider being told to check if the power cable is plugged in to be more useful than pinging an experienced forum base's collective experience to help you out of a pinch.
But hey, I understand that building that first rig comes with a fair share of jitters, but trust me, you CAN do it. And once you do, you get to become one of us. By us, I'm talking about old vets that, like myself, take as much satisfaction from building our own rigs as we do in helping others to do the same thing. Pay it forward, if you will. I've spent a lot of time on Maximum PC doing just that, having first registered back in 2000 when it was known as Commport. My tenure's consisted of answering troubleshooting issues and offering buying advice, while more recently contributing material to the magazine and maintaining this blog. And when I'm not bantering with fellow MPCers, I can be found over at HardwareLogic, a website I help run that's devoted to, you guessed it, helping new and upcoming enthusiasts.
In short (too late!), I, like many, have been doing this a long time, and while the components of yesteryear have dramatically changed (the race to 1GHz is but a distant memory), many of the common problems and pitfalls remain the same. It may be old hat to some of us today, but that doesn't mean we didn't have our own nagging butterflies when first starting out. But we buckled down and ignored an urge to go with a cookie-cutter OEM boutique, and with some help, you will too.
Today I'll start off with some pre-build inquiries and potential issues that plague first time builders. If there's enough interest, you can look forward to a Part 2 and beyond, where I'll go over post build problems and answer common user submitted questions. Enough with the intro, let's get started!
Intel or AMD?
That's the age old question, isn't it? The answer seems to change with each new generation of processors, as the two play a continual game of leap frog, and it's a query that's started many a forum flame war. A true enthusiast knows no such thing as brand loyalty, and if building today, you'll almost assuredly want an Intel foundation. Recent price cuts have made for some tempting AMD silicon, but you can pick up a Core 2 processor at just about any price point, and have a foundation capable of riding into the quad-core sunset. And speaking of quad-core, word on the web is that Intel's Q6600 processor will receive a price cut to $266 come July 22nd, making four cores accessible to the mainstream. Can you say, yummy!?
But is there really a difference between Intel and AMD? I REALLY want to stick with AMD.
AMD would have been the preferred route back in socket 939's heyday, and before Intel ditched their terribly inefficient Netburst architecture. With Intel's change in philosophy and the Core 2 refresh, AMD's been struggling to keep up, and not until Barcelona debuts will they have a potentially viable answer.
But if you're really intent on sticking with AMD, you can do so with the knowledge that you can still build a kick-ass rig. Truth is, outside of benchmarking, most users would be very hard pressed to tell a difference between an attractively priced top of the line AMD 6000+ system, and a slower clocked (yet generally better performing) mid-range Intel E6600 machine. So if you own AMD stock and want to support your investment, you can do so, you're just better off in nearly every area (performance, upgradeability, geek cred) by going Intel.
How much should I spend?
That's up to you! First thing you should do is identify a goal for this system. Are you a hardcore gamer, or are you looking for a casual web surfing machine? One of those will cost you a pretty penny, and the latter can be built without looting the kids' piggy banks. Other considerations include whether you're a benchmarking guru, or value real-world performance over quantitative measurements. In the end, there's no right or wrong budget to work with, and you can build just about any type of machine (gamer, office rig, overclocker, etc) on any budget, it just comes down to what concessions you're willing to make.
Should I overclock? Will it shorten the lifespan of my computer?
I'm an overclocker myself, but I don't do it to increase the length of my e-organ, rather I'm interested in maximizing the performance of my components. Many parts are sold at a particular speed to meet a demand, and not necessarily because they're incapable of running any faster. How fast a particular component is capable of running while remaining stable is up to you to find out, and while you shouldn't jump into it willy-nilly, when it comes to processors, OC'ing is easier today than it ever has been (you youngsters have it so good!). Overclocking is also a great way to learn the fundamentals of how your PC works, as it requires research and knowledge beyond that of a casual user.
With regards to shortening the lifespan of your computer, that's a debatable topic. Increasing a component's frequency can add additional stress, but unless you're planning on keeping a component until the end of time, the difference is most likely negligible. Also consider that a part may have been downlocked at the factory simply to meet a pricing demand, and could have just as easily been sold at the faster spec. That doesn't mean OC'ing isn't without risks (don't go cranking up those volts!), but when done intelligently and with a close eye on temps, you can significantly reduce the chances of an undesirable outcome. We'll save this topic for another guide...
Help me choose a PSU!
The power supply is probably one of the most misunderstood components out there, and marketing does little to educate the end user. Choosing an appropriate PSU comes down to a few key factors, so let's look at them one by one.
First, choose a brand. And yes, brand does matter, as generic companies are notorious for skimping on quality parts and misrepresenting the specifications (more on that later). While not an all-inclusive list, I generally limit searches to (in alphabetical order): Antec, Enermax, Fortron, Corsair, OCZ, PC Power & Cooling, Seasonic, Silverstone, and Tagan.
Second, decide if you want modular (detachable) cables or wired. The idea behind modular cables is that you would hook up only the ones you intend to use, and leave the rest unattached. This results in a less cluttered interior and potentially better airflow. Critics of the technology will point to power loss and less reliable power from having detachable connections, but these effects tend to get exaggerated, and a quality modular unit is more than capable of running a high end machine. They do cost more than their wired brethren, and if you intend to use all the cables anyway, a modular power supply loses its benefit
And finally, pay attention to the amps on the +12V rail(s). Wattage is important too, but equally so is how the wattage gets distributed. Today's systems feed heavily on +12V amps, and generic companies often overload a less crucial +5V or +3.3V rail, which allows them to technically claim a high wattage rating, but it's all for naught if the +12V line lacks sufficient amperage. As a general rule of thumb, look for at least a mid 30 amperage rating for a modestly powerful rig, and 40 and above for a high end machine.
How many +12V rails do I need? I see some with as many as six!
Another hot debate in computer circles, Senior Editor Gordon Mah Ung covered this topic in a previous blog, so I won't rehash it here. The only thing I'll add is that when looking at multiple +12V rail power supplies, you don't get the total amperage rating by adding up the specs on each +12V rail. For example, many power supplies will list four +12V rails at 20A each, which when added together equals 80A. But what they're telling you is that each rail is capable of supplying up to 20A at any given time. The total +12V amperage depends on how the wattage gets distributed. Looking at the OCZ 780W ModXStream, 720 watts are allocated to the +12V rails, and since Watts = Volts * Amps, we would divide 720 (watts) by 12 (+12V), which gives us 60A (amps), a typical amount for a high end 750-800W PSU.
So I picked up a good power supply, hooked up all the parts, and my PC won't turn on. What did I do wrong?
Do'h, you should have gotten a Dell...I jest, I jest! It could be a number of things. First, check ALL cable connections and make sure you've plugged in both the main ATX connector (20 or 24pin) along with a secondary motherboard connector, which will be either 4 or 8 pins. Next, double check that your PSU's switch is turned on. If everything's hooked up correctly and your motherboard's receiving power, there should be an LED that lights up.
Next, verify your case's power and reset switch are plugged into the correct headers on your motherboard. Consult your manual (download it from your mobo maker's website if you no longer have it), and don't feel bad if you've doofed up the pins, as even long time vets are prone to hooking these up incorrectly.
Finally, check for a grounding issue. You should have installed standoffs in your case's motherboard tray before dropping in your mobo, and you'll want to verify they're lined up with your motherboard's holes. If a stray standoff comes in contact with your motherboard's PCB (Printed Circuit Board), it will cause the system to short and either not boot, or worse yet, damage your mobo. Check for any loose screws or other pieces of metal that may have fallen onto the motherboard.
My motherboard's LED lights up and I checked for a grounding issue, but my system still won't stay on. When I hit the power switch, the heatsink's fan spins for 1-2 seconds, then turns off. What gives?
If there's no grounding issue going on, this symptom almost always means that your heatsink is not making sufficient contact with your processor. As a safeguard, your system will turn off if your processor rapidly heats up (in the days of old, you could fry a processor by turning it on without a heatsink attached). Remove the heatsink, and if necessary, clean and reapply any thermal goop (don't overdo it, you just need enough to fill in the microscopic grooves and pits). Reattach the sink so that it doesn't wiggle around, and don't forget to plug the fan's 3 or 4 pin power connector into your motherboard.
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And that's it for this week. Comments are always welcome, and if you have any post build questions you'd like to appear in a Part 2, send an email to One4yu2c@gmail.com
RE:PC Building Guide FAQ: Part 1
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CPU
Submitted by ricco48442 on Tue, 07/24/2007 - 10:44am
When I buy an Intel CPU, it comes with a fan and has a little pad on the CPU. Am I supposed to remove this pad and add Arctic Silver if I'm going to use a different cooler?
Pad or Paste?
Submitted by One4yu2c on Wed, 07/25/2007 - 2:33pm
When purchasing a retail CPU, the thermal pad will come pre-installed on the bundled heatsink's base, not on the processor itself. If you plan to use the stock cooler, you can opt to use the pad, or clean it off and apply thermal grease, such as Arctic Silver 5. Same goes for some third party coolers - grease/pad will either come pre-installed, or they'll sometimes throw in a tube of their own stuff. In either case, I personally prefer to use Arctic Silver 5, and always have a tube on hand.
To clean off the pad, I recommend gently scraping it off the surface with a non-abrasive material, such as a plastic library card. Then moisten a q-tip with isopropyl rubbing alcohol (preferably greater than 90% concentration) and clean the surface in a circular motion. Follow that up with a dry q-tip and repeat the process until no more gunk is being pulled up. Alternately, snag a kit of Arctic Clean and follow the provided instructions (the stuff works great).
And finally, following Arctic Silver's instructions for applying Arctic Silver 5, which can vary by CPU. The method's changed over the years, from applying a thin layer over the surface, to using a small dab roughly the size of a grain of rice in the center, to now recommending you apply a thin line across the IHS for multi-core processors. Be sure not to use too much, as the goal is to fill in the microscopic nooks and crannies.
Great info, thank you
Submitted by theqman on Thu, 12/27/2007 - 11:16am
Thanks One4yu2c. I was just about to apply some grease to my newest Xmas build and thought I'd check to be sure the amount to add was still "about the size of a BB".
Now I find it's a thin LINE for dual cores.Thank you VERY much for the link!
Nice article
Submitted by suckyn00b on Mon, 07/16/2007 - 6:26am
I find it funny that people are arguing over OEM vs DIY. Basically, if someone is reading this magazine/website, then they are above the average OEM level. They either already are DIY (like myself), or people who genuinely have an interest in learning how computers work. They may not know the hardware side of things yet, but obviously they have an interest. Its nice to see that Maximum PC continues to submit articles once in a while for the new computer builders/modders out there. I know when I first started reading this mag several years ago, I was way over my head. Over the years I have learned most of the terminology, but it can be very frightening for new people. I salute Maximum PC for writing content to help new people into this exciting area. As long as there are humans on this earth, DIY will never die out because this is where innovation comes from
DIY vs. OEM
Submitted by EvilHomerGD on Mon, 07/16/2007 - 6:03am
I've been building my own PCs and PCs for friends now for almost 8 years. I like the fact that I can pick and chose EVERY component of a system when I build it myself. Instead of getting stuck with proprietary or crappy hardware, I know that I am getting good quality hardware that I can easily upgrade whenever I choose. If all you want to do is surf the web, then by all means, go for that Dell... But if you want to be able to play all of the latest game titles, including yet-to-be-released titles, you're better off building your own rig. I can easily swap out my 7900GS for that 8800 Ultra (which is coming soon!) to get better frame rates in BF2 or what ever game I am playing at the time because I took the time to build my system with my needs in mind, carefully selecting the hardware that was right for me.
porer but no light
Submitted by schneider1492 on Mon, 07/16/2007 - 2:16am
If you plug a usb header on wrong your mobo led will stay off and your computer will act like the psu is dead. i swapped psu's twice then figured it was the mobo, the usb header was the second thing i unplugged and the computer started booting.
Nice article, but...
Submitted by sc123 on Sat, 07/14/2007 - 7:47pm
You left out the number one reason people don't build their own computers any more - cost. It's simply cheaper to buy a computer from Dell (for example) than to build your own. You may find the odd configuration that is the exception to this rule, but generally speaking the days of being able to DIY and save are over. I won't even go in to the difference in hardware and software warranty between the two options.
That being said, I have built several of my own computers and it is an interesting experience. As time progresses however, it is a less necessary experience. As any techie will tell you, the vast majority of troubleshooting these days revolves around software - not hardware. In the future this hardware will become even more reliable, as will their drivers - thus removing more of the need for greater hardware understanding.
Still, for those out there still interested in the "experience", this is a great starter article.
I call Bull$#!%.
Submitted by schneider1492 on Fri, 07/04/2008 - 1:58am
I call Bull$#!%. i built a grate gaming rig over a year ago for less than $1500 (that includes a retail OS) and almost all of my components have a lifetime warranty (this isn't generic stuff either: EVGA, Corsair, Western Digital...) dell still cant offer something comparable for that price, not to mention the crapware you have to remove, and no OS disk only a restore disk! on top of that, with a Dell, stairing at it wrong can void your warenty. Unless you wand a $200 glorified web browser Dell is a total rip!
OEM Costs
Submitted by One4yu2c on Sat, 07/14/2007 - 8:40pm
There can be a cost advantage in going with a big boutique OEM, but for those tempted by price, I'd warn that you're often locked into proprietary parts and ho-hum components (think Celeron and integrated graphics) - much of the 'value' stems from the bloatware.
The DIY route is still capable of building a mini-powerhouse on a budget, including a modest gaming rig, and I'd put an comparatively priced homebrew up against a cookie-cutter OEM any day...
RE:Use PC Decrapifier to easily
Submitted by big_montana on Mon, 07/16/2007 - 10:31am
The only time anyone would be saving by purchasing from Dell, is the time it takes to order, receive and assemble your rig. Now, your own home brew rig will more then likely out perform a Dell, and will also be more reliable. You also do not have to worry about dealing with Dell tech support when something does go wrong (and believe me, something WILL go wrong) and try to translate what Minesh in Mumbai is telling you into coherent English.
Use PC Decrapifier to easily
Submitted by sc123 on Sun, 07/15/2007 - 7:24pm
Use PC Decrapifier to easily remove bloatware. Proprietary parts can be a drawback, granted, but I'd rather have one source for hardware warranties than a more flexible motherboard. At the rate sockets and slots are changing, motherboard upgrades are less and less important. I'd be willing to bet that I could price a Dell cheaper than a comparable DIY rig nine times out of ten and that the Dell would perform just as well as the DIY rig and save the owner a ton of time.
Just my thoughts...I wish they weren't true!
Let's Compare
Submitted by One4yu2c on Tue, 07/17/2007 - 11:32am
"I'd be willing to bet that I could price a Dell cheaper than a comparable DIY rig nine times out of ten and that the Dell would perform just as well as the DIY rig and save the owner a ton of time."
That's a bet I'd be willing to take (minus the time factor, obviously). Dell's lower end machines sport both Celerons and onboard graphics, and even their base $1K rigs don't get away from craptastic graphics. Let's look at what $1K gets you from Dell versus DIY:
Dell
Intel Core 2 Duo E6320
Windows Vista Home Premium
2GB DDR2-667
GeForce 7300LE
320GB SATA
16X CD/DVD burner (DVD+/-RW)
19" Widescreen LCD
Keyboard/Mouse
1 Year Warranty
$999 + tax = $1,058.94 shippedDIY
Intel Core 2 Duo E6320
Windows Vista Home Premium
2GB DDR2-800
EVGA 7600GT
500GB/16MB SATA
18X DVD/CD Burner w/ Lightscribe
19" Widescreen LCD
500W Fortron PSU
$1,041 shipped (Newegg)I won't quibble over pennies and over-emphasize the DIY configuration actually saves a few bucks, but I will focus on the bang/buck. The DIY sports a stronger, more upgradeable foundation (including SLI support), faster RAM, almost double the amount of hard drive space, much faster videocard, Lightscribe burning capability, and though the Dell centralizes the warranty process, some of the DIY components come with up to a lifetime backing (RAM and videocard) compared to Dell's 1-year.
I'm not saying there isn't a market for bulk OEMs (they obviously exist for a reason), but for those willing to go the DIY route (the intended audience of this blog), you can outclass the prebuilt guys with a little bit of elbow grease.
1: Your DIY list doesn't
Submitted by sc123 on Mon, 07/28/2008 - 2:24pm
1: Your DIY list doesn't include a keyboard, mouse or motherboard. There are usually other small cables and components that are needed as well that you didn't mention. This would easily add another $100 to the cost of your DIY machine.
2: I was able to build an Inspiron 530 with your DIY specs or better for $839.00, and Dell doesn't charge tax unless you live in TX. That's 20% (or more) less than you DIY machine.
So you see, you simply can't build a system cheaper than you can buy it from an OEM these days. I'm sure there are some exceptions, but I believe that is the general rule. I think it's fair to tell people that they can build it themselves, but it will cost them a bit extra to do so. You can IM me on the forum if you want to see the exact quote from Dell.
Um...
Submitted by One4yu2c on Mon, 07/28/2008 - 8:16pm
You're taking prices and parts of a DIY build from 2007 and comparing them to the price and parts of a prebuilt one year later? That's not just wonky, that's misleading.
Now more than ever you can build a very capable PC on an extreme budget. DDR2 is at an all time low, Intel and AMD are engaging in a price war, and components in general are very affordable. And that says nothing about the many mail-in-rebates that are out there.
My original quote stands: "The DIY route is still capable of building a mini-powerhouse on a budget, including a modest gaming rig, and I'd put an comparatively priced homebrew up against a cookie-cutter OEM any day..." But since you're dredging up a post from 2007, let's go ahead and see if my same sentiments still apply today:
Dell Inspiron 530
Intel Q6600 (2.4GHz, 1066FSB)
2GB DDR2-667
500GB/7200RPM
16X DVD Burner
Intel 3100 Integrated Graphics
Keyboard/Mouse
19" LCD
Vista Home Premium
$805 shippedPrebuilt (Newegg)
Intel Q6600 (Retail)
Gigabyte P35 Motherboard
2GB OCZ Gold DDR2-800
750GB/7200RPM
20X DVD Burner
Nvidia 8800GS Videocard
Antec Sonata III Case w/ 500W PSU
Keyboard/Mouse
19" LCD
Vista Home Premium
$779.40 shipped after MIRSo for less money you get a better motherboard, faster RAM, a bigger and faster hard drive, a faster DVD burner, far superior graphics, a non-proprietary and reliable case/PSU combo (this aspect can't be stressed enough), and all the other essentials. Take away the mail-in-rebate factor and the prebuilt jumps just above the Dell, but that can easily be negated by downgrading the videocard (which would still beat Dell's solution) or going with integrated graphics, like the Dell does.
On top of it all, the above comparison represents a budget matchup, an area where OEMs typically hold an advantage. The gap only gets wider once you move up to a midrange or high end PC. Not only that, but I unnecessarily pidgeon-holed myself when configuring the prebuilt so we could have an apples-to-apples comparison, but another positive in the prebuilt's favor is that your component selection is much wider. Had I set out to build the best possible PC at a comparable price point, I would have ditched the aging Q6600 in favor of a more modern dual-core in Penryn flavor and spec'd out a budget box with a healthy dose of overclocking headroom.
In short, the same sentiments that applied last year still apply today, and then some. Or should we wait another year before pitting the above DIY to a prebuilt machine? ;)
Oops..
Submitted by sc123 on Mon, 07/28/2008 - 10:12pm
Lol - that's a big "oops" on my part, I didn't check the date - I was wondering why you chose that processor :)
Anyway, I went back and put together a machine on the Dell site based on your revised specs and came up with a matching system at $1,019. The only thing slightly lesser in the Dell system is the video card, which is an ATI HD 2600 XT. I didn't take the time to double check your Newegg pricing, but I would like to know what the "before mail-in rebate" pricing is. MIR's suck - I really despise them and would be willing to pay a few dollars more not to have to deal with them.
However, if your price is correct then it is clear that at least on this particular configuration the Dell system is $100-$200 more. I think that the more high end you go the lower that margin will become until you get to around the $2,000 mark and then you'd probably be unable to build a machine cheaper than an OEM.
Did I mention my Dell comes with Micrsoft Works 9 and outsourced tech support? :)
I think a very interesting article would be me vs. you in a pricing war. Several different types of systems and see who can outprice the other. I bet I'd win most of them :)
Before Rebate
Submitted by One4yu2c on Tue, 07/29/2008 - 5:52am
It was $857 shipped before rebate. That's slightly higher than the Dell, but again, better parts all around.
sc123 wrote: "I think that the more high end you go the lower that margin will become until you get to around the $2,000 mark and then you'd probably be unable to build a machine cheaper than an OEM."
Quite the contrary. Let's go ahead and configure a $2,000 Dell and see how it compares to a DIY machine:
Dell XPS 730
Intel E8400
2GB DDR3-1067
Radeon HD3870 (x2 in CrossFire)
750GB / 16MB Hard Drive
16X DVD Burner
Creative X-Fi XtremeGamer
Mouse/Keyboard
19-in-1 Media Reader
Vista Home Premium
$1,959.95 shippedDIY (Newegg)
Intel E8400 (Retail)
2GB OCZ Gold DDR3-1333
Asus HD 4870 (x2 in CrossFire)
Gigabyte GA-EP45T-DS3R Motherboard
Samsung 1TB / 32MB Hard Drive
20X DVD Burner
52-in-1 Media Card Reader
Creative X-Fi XtremeGamer
Logitech MX518 Gaming Mouse
OCZ Elixir Gaming Keyboard
Antec 900 Case
Antec TPQ-850W PSU
Vista Home Premium
$1,760.83 shipped ($1,675.83 after MIR)As previously stated, the higher up the pricing tier you go, the larger the separation between a DIY rig and a prebuilt OEM. Not only does the DIY cost $200 ($285 after MIR) less than the Dell, but it absolutely destroys it in performance. Once again, we're looking at a bigger and faster hard drive with more cache, faster RAM, a better motherboard, faster optical, and the HD 4870 videocards downright demolish the HD 3870 parts in the Dell. Even the mouse and keyboard are better than what you get with the Dell, and with the prebuilt, you still have $200 more to play with. Or drop down to a pair of HD 4850 videocards and increase that budget to $400. Either way, you can start looking at the X48 chipset, 4GB of RAM, a digital camera, 5.1 surround sound speakers to complement that soundcard (onboard audio would have been fine, but the XPS 730 didn't give that option), and a wealth of other options to choose from.
Differences...
Submitted by sc123 on Tue, 07/29/2008 - 6:29am
I get $1,849.00 on that Dell system. I don't know what we're doing different, but your prices are consistently higher when you're configuring Dell systems. I wonder if it is because of CA's various additional environmental fees being factored in.
It should be noted that if you are willing to give up some speed in the RAM you can get an otherwise comparable XPS 630 for $1,659.00 - which even beats your MIR price.
I actually went to Newegg and built exactly what you did, and my final price was $1,839.36 ($1,754.36 after MIR). I'm not sure what is going on, but it seems that your prices are always different than what I get - higher on your Dell pricing and lower on your DIY pricing.
Based on these price differences, if averaged out, it's pretty much a wash. I guess it just comes down to a few simple factors:
1) Do you WANT to, and CAN you build your own machine?
2) Are you willing to put up with the annoyance of having to call different vendors for each piece of hardware should you need support.
3) Do you mind not getting a 1yr warranty on everything you purchase, as you would get with the Dell machine.
4) Do you mind not having any kind of OS support, as Dell provides during the warranty.
I suppose if someone answers "no" to 2-4 and "yes" to 1 then they should built their own machine, otherwise I think Dell is a better choice.
I admit that I was suprised to find the DIY as low as it was - I expected it to be much higher.
Tax
Submitted by One4yu2c on Tue, 07/29/2008 - 7:32am
Be sure you're entering your ZIP code with the Dell - my quotes include both shipping (free) and tax (not free), and $1,849 represents a pre-tax price. As for the Newegg parts, sign in to Newegg and then click here.
Nice
Submitted by Pureoverclocking on Sat, 07/14/2007 - 6:40pm
i be waiting for the next part can wait good job maximumpc
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Submitted by brucelocious on Sat, 07/14/2007 - 2:46pm
So you subscribe to Maximum PC, opened an account on the forum, and currently find yourself debating whether you feel confident enough to build your own dream machine, or have someone else do it for you
Yeah Yeah, this is Definitely me.
Great
Submitted by TheDude on Sat, 07/14/2007 - 8:07am
Great start can't wait to read more!!!
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