No BS Podcast #87: The Zombie Defense Initiative Edition

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Nevins

Just a little FYI, a prison was used as a defensible place to defend against the zombie outbreak in the comic book The Walking Dead, so its not a new idea

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simplymortified

Yes you can kill a cow with a .22; if you press it up against or very close to its head. Move much further away,  the ballistic energy drops away, and the bullet will fail to penatrate. It take a higher calibre for Deer (for bigger Deer, .270 & up) because you are shooting at a distance, the bullet has to travel 100 or 200 yards or more and still maintain the energy to pentrate thick bone etc. Somebody quoted the figures of a 120 foot lbs of energy for a .22, that is measured at the muzzle, every yard beyond that point there is energy loss. Compare this with a .357 mag handgun, which has between 500-600 foot lb at the muzzle and a .44 mag which approaches 800+ foot lbs, and you get an idea of how low powered the .22 is. The .223 has anywhere up to 1300 ft lbs, & at 300 yards is still carrying around 4 times the muzzle energy of the .22 . 

In short, yes you could kill Zomies with a .22, but you risk letting them get to close. Use a .223 or a .308 and you can (with the .308 and telecopic sights) kill out to 1000 yards. 

Cheers,

Richard. 

 

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Keith E. Whisman

Let's agree that a .223 is a great round. I myself have fired many thousands of .223cal 5.56MM rounds out of the M16A1 and the M249E1 SAW.

I made a load out for killing humans and zombies on last podcast blog. It consisted of many guns. The idea is for quick access and quick reload. The ammunition has to be in large quantity and small enough and lite enough to carry and still be capable of killing humans/zombies. .22 and .223/5.56mm are perfect people killers. Even at 100yards a .22 will cut through your clothes and penetrate your skin and cause fatal injuries. We are talking about humans. The .22 is an excellent people killer. The .25 is not at all a great people killer. 

I had a .25 cal pocket pistol and I fired it level over a lake. The bullet hit the water 20yards in front of me. That is seriously low muzzle velocity. 

When I was in the Army 1989-1993 we were issued bandaliers of 5.56mm rounds in stripper clips with a loader that attached to the mouth of the magazine. Each bandalier carried 120rounds. We had two magazines a 20 round and a 30 round mag. I was issued 2 mag pouches and I purchased 2 more for a total of 4. each mag pouch can carry two M26 Frag grenads and three either 20 or 30 round magazines. So I would carry two and try to get two more ammo bandaliers for my M16A1 and as much 9mm ammo for my M9 Berreta Pistol. 

I never did see combat. I got to see the aftermath of combat but never actual combat even though I was always loaded up like Rambo. Beside my bayonet I carried a Hitler Youth dagger on my LBE that the sargeants always tried to get me to take off as it wasn't part of the uniform. I would always tell the sargeant that I would remove my knife back at the barracks but I never did. It was a knife given to me by an uncle that fought in WW2 and he brought that knife back and gave it to me when I joined the Army. He killed a Nazi to get that knife.. 

 

Sorry if my comment was offensive. I felt I needed to explain further my story. 

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nekollx

but how likly are you to be 1,00 feed fro mthe bain eating hordes? Really 75 feet is plenty and in a zombie invansion you want a lighweight quickly to reload weapon. Is that the .22?

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simplymortified

I wouldn't call a .22 quick to reload, the ammo is tiny & actually quite annoying to stuff in a clip (in the past I did a lot of target pistol shooting, 9mm and .45 was easier to load into a clip than .22). In the Zombie Apocolypse you may have a lot of ammo, but chances are you may only have so many clips, so instead of dropping them on the ground like the movies, you may have to manually reload them.

I think sniping would be very relevent during a zombie apocolypse, If I was trying to forage for supplies it would be handy having a buddy watching my back from up on high.

In the slightly ludicrous catagory, something like a Thompson sub machinegun circa WW2 would be quite good, it can be fired from the shoulder, and at short to medium range (within a building, confined urban environment)very efective, the .45 acp carries a decent punch. Very 'Call of Duty', getting one might be a problem though......... 

 Cheers,

Richard. 

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Keith E. Whisman

Thompsan is actually short range. It's heavy and subsonic and has a very low muzzle velocity but it has a lot of Energy. 

I once shot a .45ACP +P FMJ from a Colt 1911 at a car door that was laying in the desert at a range of about 3 feet. It came from an early '80s late '70s car. The bullet penetrated the outer skin but didn't penetrate the inside of the door. I shot that door with the rest of my mag with the same effect. If that door were attached to a car the occupant would be safe unless I shot threw the window. It a short range people killer and that's all it's good for even the Thompson it has a longer barrel but that barrel isn't all that long. Not long enough to give you anytype of range because of the muzzle velocity. 

One of my uncles that fought in europe during WW2 told me he threw his Tommy gun away as soon as he got his hands on a burp gun, the German MP40. It fires a 9mm para round again has a very short barrel like the tommy. However the MP40 9MM round has a supersonic muzzle velocity that affords the MP40 a short to medium range that kept alot of Germans and some lucky GIs alive during WW2. 

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simplymortified

Thanks for the info Keith, quite intersting, I always thought the .45 had more grunt, i stand corrected. I know the Australia Army in the second world war initially used the Thompson but found them unreliable, and instead designed and locally manufactured the "Owen gun" (named after the designer) it was reputed to be able to be fired after being submerged in muddy water.  It comes down to velocity verses projectile weight I suppose. Apparently some special forces in the middle east (Australian SAS in Afghanastan I think) have stopped using the HK MP-5 (9mm) and switched to the AR-15 (5.56mm) carbine for improved hitting power. After seeing what a .357 mag can do, I could definitly recomend one of those as a sidearm. As far as locations of refuge during the Zombie Apocalypse, I am a fan of the small to medium shopping centre (mall). Cheers, Richard PS - if you are going to cancel the podcast can you guys please post a warning. 

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simplymortified

It is true Paris does have a lot of dog shit, Vienna was the same. Berlin was ok as the turds were frozen solid(it was winter).

All these people saying how great the .22 is, please, they are only good for rabbits and other small game; don't expect mutch hitting power beyond 75 metres. The .223 (5.56mm NATO) would be the best option. There is literally tons of the ammo around, and it is still quite light (compared to 7.62mm) to carry.

In regards to melee, how about a Samuri Sword?

Cheers,

Richard.  

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Keith E. Whisman

It's funny that it doesn't take much to kill a human. It takes a high powered rifle to kill a deer but a mere .22cal will easily kill a man. A zombie is just a living dead person. What kills a man will kill a zombie. Also a .22cal will kill a cow as I was invited by a mexican friend to witness him slaughter some animals and he used a .22cal 10/22 ruger rifle to kill a cow with 1 shot and a pig with 1 shot.

About 15years ago I saw a guy get shot by a gangster with a .22cal pistol. I rushed to assisst the victim and he died in my arms.

If your hunting for bear a .22 is not very good. If you want to kill a person from more than 150yards then a larger round would be preferable as the .22 loses it's energy rather quickly. But in the ferocious fire fights that exsist in  Left 4 Dead it's all close range so .22cal is excellent. I do a double tap one in the head and one in center mass.

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Queenof1

Aussie accents rock, mate! And my gmail theme is graffiti. And I totally agree with Gordon about software tricking you into d/l other software like Toolbars. ugh. those things are already checked off. Some software even tricks you into providing your email for software updates. ah, can't you check for software updates WITHIN the program itself?

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nekollx

with all the Zombie Love i thought id post some links to some zombie pics i commisioned

 

 http://crazycowproductions.deviantart.com/art/Zombies-Final-82065707

 http://crazycowproductions.deviantart.com/art/Nekollx-Zombies-alt-ending-79755872

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 http://crazycowproductions.deviantart.com/art/Zombie-Invasion-oh-noes-78113368

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The_Crank

In Response to Gordon's hate for Social Networking and his comments on the show I have created the "Gordon Mah Ung Hates Social Networking" Group on facebook, so join up and help piss him off.

 

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Gordon-Mah-Ung-Hates-Social-Networking/63585705128

 

 

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Ricochet_Saw

about the guy who has steam crashes.

update to the latest BETA drivers... he should let the pcc sit until it bluescreens(and it will bluescreen) i had this error with any game running directx a while ago and using beta drivers seemed to work(please note, i havnt checked the newest driver updates.)

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Keith E. Whisman

About the T-Mobile Google Android G1 phone. Did you check the Android market on the cell phone? There is an app that makes your phone capable of syncing with Exchange. This app was available the day the phone was released.

Also as of two weeks ago there is an app on in the Market that gives you a touch screen keyboard. So I don't know why you said these things were not available as they are. All you have to do is check out the Market on your phone and Install these apps. 

Thats pretty easy. My favorites apps so far are the Bubble Level and the Magic 8 Ball. As far as games go there is a game called Zombie Run. 

As your heading for work you can run the game on your phone and your phone will tell you when your near a zombie and you have to run away from it to escape. Also there is a Mario Bros game where you have to jump to get coins that hover over your head. When you get a coin it makes the noise. Just some of the great things available in the Android Market.

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Talcum X

 My wife had this done back in '89 I believe, when it was new.  She described the procedure to me, and I finally got to see it on TV some months ago.  It looks savage.  First you get 2 pills to calm you. (1 for about an hour before your appointment, then 1 just before), then you get the numbing shot and one eye gets into this cage thing to keep it open.  Then the "guillotine" gets placed over your eye and it sliced about 85% across and they lay the flap over to expose the innards.  The laser does its magic, then they lay the flap over and it seals up.  A few drops of medication to help healing, then repeat to the next eye.  All, of course, while your awake and ready to jump out of your skin.  I'm sure you feel like your living a scene from "Saw".

 My wife's vision has since failed from the procedure ( so much for that lifetime guarantee).  But she says she wouldn't do it again.  

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Keith E. Whisman

So what does she get with that life time guarantee? New eyeballs? A coupon for a penny off on a .99Cent ice cream sundae at McDonalds?

 

BTW I've got cataracts in both eyes. It's worse in my left eye. The doctor want to do surgery in both eyes and I'm only 36years old. Kinda scary. Is it just the Laser that causes blindness or does the lense replacement cause blindness as well?

While I was in the Army we were given lots of mystery pills and shots that we were told not to question. This was at my Permanant Party Duty Station after boot camp. I was in Combat Arms but not an important role. Field Artilllery Meteorology. I've often wondered if some of my health problems are a result of those drugs. 

 

 

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Talcum X

 At least, that's what the place she had her Lasic calls it.  It may be called something else at other clinics.

You have to be a candidate for it, just like Lasic.  I guess there are some restrictions and/or requirements. But they prep you the same way is Lasic (I think) and extract the lense and replace it with a glass or other clear material that wont erode.  

The lifetime guarentee meant that if it failed in the future, they would re-do the procedure for free.  But she wont go thru that again even if they did hold to it, which they didnt.

My wife was a Marine in the early 80's, so she knows of the mystery pills and shots.  Tho she claims, she never even got the common cold for 10 years after that...so they did something.

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"In Ireland, there are more drunks per capita than people."  -  Peter Griffin

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