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A rift may be forming between Piston Console maker Xi3 and Valve.A partially transparent veil of secrecy hangs over Xi3's pint-sized Piston Console. When first unveiled at the Consumer Electronics Show (CES) earlier this year, some surmised it was the official Steam Box, though Xi3 never came out and said it. And now that Xi3 is taking pre-orders, there's still no mention of it being a Steam Box, though it's clearly intended for living room gaming using Steam's Big Picture mode. Xi3 released a statement today that adds a little insight into its relationship with Valve, and also hints that things aren't as rosy between the two as previously thought.
"The assumption of many in the media has been that Piston is the 'official' Steam Box. We've never said that and neither has Valve. That hasn't changed," Xi3 President and CEO Jason A. Sullivan said. "But just because Valve may not 'currently' have any 'involvement with any product of (ours)' doesn't mean that such involvement won't exist in the future."
According to Xi3, it received an investment from Valve, a fact it's able to divulge with written permission from the Steam publisher. Furthermore, Xi3 confirmed it was "asked to build a product specifically for Valve," which it showed off at CES.
"Then, during a meeting with Valve at CES, Gabe Newell personally asked me that we not disclose additional information about our relationship with Valve. We have honored that request and will continue to do so," Sullivan added.
What Xi3 is willing to clarify is that the Piston Console allows gamers to access Steam regardless of its relationship with Valve. it will also support a "raft of other Internet-based gaming and entertainment platforms" beyond what Valve currently has planned for its official Steam Box.
Xi3 then hinted at a bit of disagreement with Valve over the future of PC gaming.
"Contrary to Valve's vision, Xi3 believes that the way to take this to market today is to do so with a Windows OS at the core, coupled with the ability to not just get to one platform/store for games, but to get access to all game stores/platforms," Sullivan said. "Studios should have the option to go through Steam if they choose or to go direct to the end-user if they so choose. That will be the difference between Piston and other Steam Boxes. You'll be able to access Steam if you choose, but you'll also be able to access other platforms as well—all through the Piston Console."
So to recap:
"In closing, what Valve does or doesn't do with its Steam Box will be up to them. So Gabe, it's up to you. The ball is in your court," Sullivan added.
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Warrior247
March 14, 2013 at 9:13pm
"See, I am like you now."-Paper Jam
You'll never be like me. For one, you need some good old fashion common sense, and you have none.
"This is what your lessons have taught me, oh great one."-Paper Jam
They should've taught not to open your mouth unless you know what you're talking about.
"Why couldn't I see this sooner?"-Paper Jam
Because you're blind to that facts... and you're stupid!
Paper Jam
March 15, 2013 at 12:58am
Teach me the way of console. Teach me the benefits of the eight year product cycle. Preach to the masses about the benefits of using the same tech for eight years. Preach the gospel of MS and the book of Sony. Share your wisdom about how bad it is to have too many option. Tell us how the Xbox and PlayStation are superior to all other options in every way. Preach, brother.
legionera
March 17, 2013 at 2:33am
"Preach to the masses about the benefits of using the same tech for eight years."
This is a good question that you could ask Atari, Gamecube and Dreamcast.
RUSENSITIVESWEETNESS
March 14, 2013 at 7:17pm
I have a feeling Microsoft had a hand in shifting Xi3's target.
Once games leave Windows, Windows is fucked.
PCLinuxguy
March 18, 2013 at 9:16am
for the most part: many people I know only use windows for games, no other use comes from it. Other than the console market, I could see MS taking a good hit if another platform scooped all the gamers from it.
legionera
March 17, 2013 at 2:35am
That explains why millions of business use Windows and other even invest in Windows! They were just playing COD all day long!! (sarcasm)
Cythrawl
March 14, 2013 at 7:55am
Valve is being really quiet about the steambox in general though, so this should be no surprise.
Let be totally honest here Linux is a total clusterfuck when it comes to GFX drivers, sound drivers, etc etc and unless this is all unified its going to be just as bad on the Steambox. This is totally not plug in and use and user friendly by a long shot and will distract customers.
Just trying to get Steam for Linux working on some hardware configs (some of which are either too new hardware wise or too old) can be like strapping broken glass to your feet and walking over hot lava at the same time.. I am not saying its like that for everyone (and it isnt) but to even have that level of uncertainty is going to doom it right from the get go.
I think, personally, that for the Steambox to be successful with Linux is that Valve needs (and may well be doing) its own Linux distro that is made exclusively for the Steambox (and its partners).
Also if they do this, bake down the hardware that is required for a "Steambox" maybe then AMD and Nvidia will have drivers more at the "top of priority" for that same Steambox (and I wouldn't be surprised if those drivers would not work on other distros either).
Warrior247
March 14, 2013 at 1:28pm
"I think, personally, that for the Steambox to be successful with Linux is that Valve needs (and may well be doing) its own Linux distro that is made exclusively for the Steambox (and its partners)."-Cythrawl
Does it really matter? Is Gabe going to stop supporting Windows? Nope! Steam will still be avaiable as it is now. This whole phony Jihad against Windows and the expectation of this great migration over to Linux is a sham, a joke. IT AIN'T HAPPENIN'!!! So far this whole stinkbox thing is confusing and fragmented. They're selling you the same stuff that you already have or can get at outrageous prices! Just sit back and watch the freak show.
H1N1theI
March 14, 2013 at 8:15am
Agreed, mostly.
Linux drivers are... Well... Lacking, but I believe that Valve is actually writing it's own drivers or something.
And it's often not too difficult to modify the base linux kernel (hey, Archlinux did it) to make a new distro.
Hopefully, NVidia and AMD will see that linux is the future, and make drivers for it.
(Although, IMHO, the hurd kernel is even better.)
LatiosXT
March 14, 2013 at 6:57am
With the PS4 using PC hardware, and I'm sure Sony isn't licensing DirectX for the graphics API, we might have the day again when game companies offer a choice of renderer. Not to mention that I'm led to believe the OS for the PS3 was based off portions of FreeBSD (considering their licensing acknowledges it)
Linux based gaming might be in the future.
Arbartenn
March 14, 2013 at 5:49am
The idea of the steam box in theory is a good idea, but if it is restricted to only using the steam platform, then it creates a disadvantage for other games released on different platforms such as origin.
Another problem I can see with the piston is the fact that the possibilities for upgrades on things such as the GPU would be limited because of the size. If the console is a steam box then there should be a decent amount of room for PC upgrades because it would be running PC games instead of console games which means the graphic settings are more resource hogging.
In my opinion, I see the steam box doing fairly well in today's market because it is a cheaper option to get started involved in the PC gaming community and play with other friends who play PC games. However, I think the the "PC console" idea will prove to be a great success long term because of it will create a PC gaming standard for graphics and will create a cheaper alternative to a gaming PC without sacrificing the market for big, beefy custom builds.
Arlips
March 13, 2013 at 10:35pm
As much as I hate to admit it, Valve is on the wrong side here with Linux.
Sure, they can port all their games to Linux to try and create incentive for customers/developers to use it, but at the end of the day 95% of developers ignore it and no matter what Valve does that won't change as long as Direct X is Windows only. Linux's market share for gaming is completely under Microsoft's control. Gabe is kidding himself if he thinks devs will all be convinced to choose Open GL over Direct X considering just how far behind the API is to its MS-owned competitor.
Valve's games will be ported to Linux, and a handful of other devs maybe, but that's it. They're not changing the game here and they're just digging themselves a hole by going with Linux if Valve truly intends to do so with their Steam box. With 90%+ of Steam's games unplayable on Linux, they won't be luring Steam Box customers in any time soon no matter how they price the thing.
Paper Jam
March 14, 2013 at 5:51am
I just want to add to what H1N1thel said by pointing out that someone has to take the first step, or nothing will change. First Valve moves to Linux, maybe next EA ports Origin to Linux, and then somebody else, and then all of a sudden there is a reason to choose Linux over Windows beyond wanting to be different.
And look at it this way, if this doesn't work it is likely that with Windows 9 all games will have to be purchased through the Windows Store. Do you like MS good enough to only want to do business through them?
H1N1theI
March 14, 2013 at 5:27am
I'll counter you on the GL point. OpenGL is actually *ahead* of DirctX, performance-wise and also in implementation. The problem is, you're comparing GL2.1 to DirectX11/11.1, which is not an accurate comparison. GL4 has all the goodies DX11 offers, and a bit more, tessellation, etc.
That being said, even with the handycap of the user/kernel space switches that GL has to do, it outperforms DX in ever single unbiased implementation.
That being said, if you were a good developer like valve or any other game that allows renderer switching, you abstracted over the API you're using, so it is nearly trivial to implement OpenGL by swapping the calls your abstracting over with the new calls.
90% of games are unplayable because they either use DX (Most major games do, but not too many indies), compiled for windows only (and the devs are too lazy to make a linux compile), or use windows-only frameworks (MS STDlib, .NET, etc.)
The Valve is mediating a great step forward for linux, because it's bringing attention to the platform, OpenGL, and POSIX.
legionera
March 17, 2013 at 2:41am
A lost cause. If you have 99% of the gamers using Windows, your path to the worldwide markets is broadly open. Why someone would invest in an exotic platform such as Linux? How many gamers are actually using Linux distros for gaming if gaming is mainly on Windows?
Fray
March 13, 2013 at 10:04pm
I love how I can buy games from Steam at low prices, and that the games are still there years later if I want to play them. No old CDS or codes needed.
I would be tempted to buy a Steam PC with email, a browser, a word processor and Steam games.
No MS Windows? Good, it serves them right for taking away the widgets from the desktop and making Windows 8 a pointless 'upgrade' for my money.
AFDozerman
March 13, 2013 at 9:11pm
I don't blame Mr. Newell for wanting to go with linux for the steam box. It's hundreds of dollars cheaper and completely open to change. It's the perfect platform for creation and new ideas, an obvious choice for anyone who wants to do something radically different.
Biceps
March 13, 2013 at 6:11pm
Some good comments below. I haven't gamed on Linux, buy would, as per the comment below, be interested to see what kind of differences exist between Linux and Windows (so OpenGL and DX9/10/11) in terms of graphical quality and fps. Might make a good (great, awesome, helpful, worthy) article for an upcoming MaxPC issue!!
H1N1theI
March 14, 2013 at 5:58am
Really, it's a matter of which API you prefer, and the market base of the game.
DX: Better hardware support (Modern hardware support at the very minimum, DX9), runs faster on windows, has an easy to use render call (a really direct render call, if I remember correctly).
OpenGL: Better implementation, faster (on unbiased tests), technically cleaner to work with, and there's always the OpenSource appeal.
They both have their strengths, but DX's biggest weakness is it's lack of open source. Within a month of DX11's new features, the Kronos group implemented a draft of GL that include the same features. The only reason MS's DirectX is still popular is because they had to *cripple* GL on windows in order to compete.
LatiosXT
March 14, 2013 at 11:01am
OpenGL isn't open source. It's an open standard. Khronos provides a sample implementation that is open source, but another group's implementation (say NVIDIA's) can be closed source.
An analogy to this is HTML and CSS, they're both open standards, but there are both open source implementations (Gecko, WebKit) and closed source implementations (Trident) to rendering HTML/CSS web pages.
H1N1theI
March 14, 2013 at 11:12am
Ah, apologies.
Yeah, I suppose, but usually, GL drivers and bindings are transparent and open-source...
Unlike, say, DirectX.
That was more of the message I'm aiming for.
Warrior247
March 13, 2013 at 6:08pm
It seems like Valve started this BS!!
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-03-13-xi3-piston-maker-counters-valve-claim-over-unofficial-steam-box-issues-stark-message-to-gabe-newell
"Valve began some exploratory work with Xi3 last year, but currently has no involvement in any product of theirs," he said.-Valve's Doug Lombardi
Paper Jam
March 13, 2013 at 7:04pm
We can read, console troll. We don't need you to quote the article we just read for us. Run along back to your mom's basement to play Warioland on your Gameboy.
Paper Jam
March 14, 2013 at 5:38am
I'm just poking a troll. At this point it doesn't matter what he says or what I say. But your right, I didn't go to Eurogamer. But are you like him, and just blindly going to hate Xi3, Valve, and the Steambox just because they aren't traditional consoles, because that is this guy's MO. Yeah, it's expensive, and yeah Valve is pushing their luck with Linux. But I like the idea of options beyond Nintendo, Sony, and MS. That's what Xi3, Valve, nVidia, the Ouya guys and whomever else I have forgotten are trying to do. So unless you have an unnatural love of consoles like Wario247, there's no reason to hate.
PCLinuxguy
March 15, 2013 at 8:06am
Considering the Xi3 Piston is about the size and spec of an Intel NUC, the price really isn't too bad. Yes it's expensive but I just read about Maximum OC's Intel NUC build in the April Mag and including a Windows OEM OS, it was about $800. Until these very tiny PC's become more prevalent, the cost will remain higher than what people believe it should be. Not to mention Xi3's Piston is a concept machine still, as atleast Intel is selling their NUC at places like Newegg with a "mass production" of them to lower the cost some.
I've been tempted by consoles, but my problem is, I have a ton of PC games (many of them old (1995 +)and it'd cost just as much to get a console to play all my game titles, then there's the cost of buying the library of games I already own. it's cheaper just to build a gaming rig and play what I've already got without having to scrounge ebay in hopes of finding a console version of what I've got.
YouAreAnIdiot
March 13, 2013 at 9:32pm
You are an idiot. His comment did not contain a quote from this article. He clearly stated that the quote in question was from eurogamer.com. If you were capable of understanding English at more than a second grade level, you would have understood that. Please go back to school so that you do not have to continue suffering as an idiot.
Paper Jam
March 14, 2013 at 5:40am
Read my above comment to Arlips...unless you are Wario in disguise. Then just get bent.
Philippe Lemay
March 13, 2013 at 3:24pm
<< Xi3 believes that the way to take this to market today is to do so with a Windows OS at the core, coupled with the ability to not just get to one platform/store for games, but to get access to all game stores/platforms, >>
But... that's exactly what Windows is trying to prevent. "Just one platform/store" is exactly what Gabe is worried about, he's concerned that Windows 9 will be a completely closed system with all games that might run on it only available through the "Windows App store".
The only reason Windows seems "open" at the moment is because 92% of everyone uses it. That's not really open-ness, that's a monopoly that's being forced on the industry.
brc1980
March 13, 2013 at 3:15pm
The thing no one seems to be talking about is, it doesn't matter what valve really wants to do. Yes they can port there own games and make future games for linux. But until the other studios get on board. Windows will be the place to game on a PC.
EKRboi
March 13, 2013 at 3:45pm
Yup, pretty much my thoughts exactly. Of the 73 games I own on steam only 5-6 of them are available on linux. The other big elephant in the room is the fact that the games that do run in linux do NOT looks as good running on OpenGL as they do with DX9/10/11, no matter what some writer says in some article. I have screenshots somewhere that I took of serious sam 3 in the same place from both linux and windows.. there is a big difference... its in the details. If I wasn't into the details I would be playing on an xbox or a ps3 and wouldn't have spent buckets on my gaming rig. On top of that SLI performance is pretty much horrible. My sli 580's slaughter SE3 in windows, in linux im lucky to get 40fps.
I for one like linux and use it regularly and would love for linux gaming to catch up to windows.. I would do away with windows entirely. But it is years behind I would say.
Deanjo
March 13, 2013 at 7:36pm
" in linux im lucky to get 40fps."
Well something is seriously screwed with your setup then.
Real SS3 figures from Linux
All eyecandy cranked to the max including bloom @ 2560x1440 (vsync disabled)
3824 frames 14.299 seconds 267.43 fps ( 3.74 ms/f) 26.501 fps variability
Warrior247
March 13, 2013 at 3:01pm
It seems nobody wants to be part of Gabe's "personal" war against M$, consoles, Windows, EA, the gamer, ect, ect, ect! This is starting to look like a fail before anything is even announced!!
Paper Jam
March 13, 2013 at 7:01pm
Console troll, go away. Go back to your mom's basement and play your NES.
MageSTYK
March 13, 2013 at 2:58pm
Xi3, sounds like they lost Valve by trying to push Windows OS. I remember reading that Gabe/Valve want to ship the SteamBox'es with Linux.
By doing so the Piston could have been cheaper because no fee was going to Microsoft, Also it makes all the sense in the world to slowly creep away from Windows too.
WretchedSoul
March 14, 2013 at 5:59am
Most companies today I believe, look to start making money fast. To get the fast dollar and then get ready for the next best thing. Xi3's ideas of using a Windows OS would be the fastest way to get their money back though in the long run could possibly hinder them. While Linux is still needing a little bit of work to transfer the triple A games, which most people want anyway. Thus hindering themselves from making the almost guaranteed fast buck using Linux other than Windows. I also believe the future is in Linux. I'm all in favor of using Linux and will be following this plan as it unfolds.
Peanut Fox
March 13, 2013 at 3:11pm
I don't know if not having a Microsoft license would have helped the price much. That thing is crazy expensive considering the hardware.
Warrior247
March 13, 2013 at 2:58pm
"The assumption of many in the media has been that Piston is the 'official' Steam Box. We've never said that and neither has Valve. That hasn't changed," Xi3 President and CEO Jason A. Sullivan said. "But just because Valve may not 'currently' have any 'involvement with any product of (ours)' doesn't mean that such involvement won't exist in the future."-Xi3 President and CEO Jason A. Sullivan
Waaahahahahaha!!! Where is that clown Paper Jam?!! What a moron! No involvement with "ANY" products of "ours"? Ouch!!
"there's still no mention of it being a Steam Box"-MAXIMUMPC
This just made ALOT of people look stupid!!!
Paper Jam
March 13, 2013 at 6:58pm
@Wario247, the console troll,
Here's the clown.
What I took away from this article is that Valve was an early investor and that the Piston will run Steam. That looks like they contradicted their selves and are making you foam at the mouth by keeping talk about the Steambox alive. Why would Gabe ask them to keep quiet about a nonexistent relationship? Sorry, I forgot that you don't understand English well enough to read for subtext.
With yet another post, you have succeeded at making yourself look infantile and petty. Quit hating on Gabe for having a business while you are stuck living like a troll in your mom's basement, and quit hating me for looking forward to something not called Xbox or PlayStation. The whole world doesn't have to be a console.
Warrior247
March 14, 2013 at 6:42am
Yes, you are a clown. Thank you for finally admitting this. You also admitted to being an idiot, "I'm that idiot"-Paper Jam. So I guess that would make you a stupid clown!
"What I took away from this article is that Valve was an early investor and that the Piston will run Steam."-Paper Jam
You still don't get it. So what, your own PC will run Steam...and?!! What your ignorant ass should've taken away from the article is this, "The assumption of many in the media has been that Piston is the 'official' Steam Box. We've never said that and neither has Valve. That hasn't changed,"- Xi3 President and CEO Jason A. Sullivan.
I told your dumb@$$ this from the beginning!! I don't know how many times or in how many ways you have to be told that "Nobody", announced sh!t!! You just "assumed" like a bunch of people have, thus you started running around your room and pointing at the monitor screaming "steambox, it's the steambox" everytime you saw a picture or heard mention of this thing!! But that's to be expected from a moron.
"That looks like they contradicted their selves and are making you foam at the mouth by keeping talk about the Steambox alive."-Paper Jam
What did they contradict? Pull the quote. Prove it. They just contradicted an assumption made by a snaggle tooth baboon, but that's about it. Foaming at the mouth? That actually sounds like you, "it's the" steambox!!" "It's the steambox!!" "Hey everybody it's the steambox!"! Eeeeeeeeeeyaaaaaing!!
"Why would Gabe ask them to keep quiet about a nonexistent relationship?"-Paper Jam
Because he asked them to!! Maybe he had them sign an NDA on certain things? He's in development, so maybe he doesn't want his competition to know what he's working on? Maybe he didn't want to have to release a statement in the media to contradict a rumor spreading Gibbon? Or maybe he's treating Xi3 like your woman treats you? "Hey, we're going to this party and "you" ARE NOT with "me", got that?!!" Then of course you start spreading rumors. "Hey everybody,guess what... "it's the "steambox"!! Eeeeeeeeeeyaaaaaing!! Now she has to release a statement, via microphone. *AHEM* "Excuse me, may I have your attention please?" I AM NOT with this knuckle draggin imbecile...thank you!
"Sorry, I forgot that you don't understand English well enough to read for subtext."-Paper Jam
I did a helluva lot better job than you did, and always will. That's why you're being made a fool of...again!
"With yet another post, you have succeeded at making yourself look infantile and petty."-Paper Jam
Yet another post where I'm right, you're wrong, and you've been b!tch slapped with the truth. Then had it rubbed in your face...just they way you like it!
"quit hating me for looking forward to something not called Xbox or PlayStation. The whole world doesn't have to be a console."-Paper Jam
Looking forward to...WTF?!! The whole world doesn't have to be a console? Isn't the "Piston" a console you MORONIC FOOL?!!!
Paper Jam
March 14, 2013 at 7:24am
"I did a helluva lot better job than you did, and always will. That's why you're being made a fool of...again!". Petty
"Yet another post where I'm right, you're wrong, and you've been b!tch slapped with the truth. Then had it rubbed in your face...just they way you like it!". Infantile
"Looking forward to...WTF?!! The whole world doesn't have to be a console? Isn't the "Piston" a console you MORONIC FOOL?!!!".
I'm a moron? You can't have it both ways. Either it's a console or a PC, but you can't troll me on the merits of consoles over this and then turn around and call this a console. Pick a side. As for me, I stand by what I have said; more competition is good, options beyond Sony, Nintendo and MS are good, Valve pushing Linux as a gaming platform is good, your unnatural obsession with consoles is bad, your unhealthy obsession with me is disturbing, and you are a troll and a douche.
The whole world doesn't need to be a proprietary system with no upgrade options and you aren't changing my mind by calling me names. The PC is superior. Period. Will the Piston crash and burn? Most likely. Will the Steambox fail? Maybe, we'll see sometime this year. Is it good that companies are challenging the status quo? Without a doubt. This is what drives innovation. But simple minds like yours are content with products like the current generation of consoles that haven't been refreshed in over seven years. What's the opposite of progress? You.
Warrior247
March 14, 2013 at 9:15am
"I'm a moron? You can't have it both ways. Either it's a console or a PC, but you can't troll me on the merits of consoles over this and then turn around and call this a console. Pick a side."-Paper Jam
Let's see...
"Pre-Order your 'PISTON Console"-Xi3's pre-order page!!"You'll be able to access Steam if you choose, but you'll also be able to access other platforms as well—all through the 'Piston Console'."-Xi3
"The 'Piston Console' will ship with Windows but can also run Linux"-MAXIMUMPC
"Xi3’s 'PISTON console' has been the most promising OEM Steam Box on our radar, and as of today, it’s finally available for pre-order."-MAXIMUMPC
Your idiotic, imbecilic, and moronic. "I" can't have it both ways? They're calling it a console you ignoranus!
"As for me, I stand by what I have said"-Paper Jam
http://i1218.photobucket.com/albums/dd420/CharzyCharChar/WHEEEEEEE.gif
IT'S A STEAMBOX!!!!, IT'S A STEAMBOX!!! EEEEEEEEEEEIIIIING!!
"The PC is superior. Period."-Paper Jam
Bringing out the fantard in you!!!!
You are without a doubt THE dumbest dude here!! Easily so.
Paper Jam
March 14, 2013 at 5:58pm
Blah blah blah...turdbox...blah blah blah...you're an idiot...blah blah blah...consoles are king...blah blah blah...Steambox is vaporware...blah blah blah...Piston is a Steambox...blah blah blah...
Keep talking in circles, console troll. Maybe you will trick some people into believing you are smart, and that you don't live in your mom's basement with a couple hundred consoles that you call "friends".
But you have convinced me. Now I am with you, and hope that nothing but the Xbox and PlayStation ever exist for gaming. That way nothing will ever improve unless MS and Sony say it will. Hooray for eight year console life cycles! That is what you want, isn't it? Because that is what MS and Sony want us to have.
Warrior247
March 14, 2013 at 6:06pm
"Maybe you will trick some people into believing you are smart"-Paper Jam
If I couldn't convince them that I am smart, I damn sure convinced them that you're stupid!
Paper Jam
March 14, 2013 at 8:31pm
Why are you mad at me? You've converted me to console. I hope nobody but MS and Sony get through the next generation. Long live the eight year product cycle! Down with upgrades and innovation! Death to all products not named Xbox or PlayStation. See, I am like you now. I hope tablets and smartphones go the same way. One phone for the next seven years of my life. Why would I need it to get faster or more powerful any quicker than seven years? This is what your lessons have taught me, oh great one. Stagnation is salvation. You are so wise. Why couldn't I see this sooner?
skinwalker00
March 14, 2013 at 9:11pm
I'm sorry Paper Jam but you totally look like an idiot. Your claim that warrior is a "console troll" is very unfounded. His point is that this box is not the "steam box" and that there is no "steam box" currently being made(that we know of).
Many of you comments just don't make sense. You said "you can't have it a console and a PC". Why not. Before Sony decided to be lame they were actually calling the PS3 a PC. You put Linux on it and you have a pretty good "PC".
Anyways, get over it man. While I like the direction companies besides the big 3 (Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo) are taking in the gaming industry and agree with you on that point, you attack on warrior is just plain dumb.
Paper Jam
March 15, 2013 at 1:05am
Dude, unless you have been reading this guys post for a few weeks, you can't understand. He makes it a point to call me out. This goes back several articles and trust me, Warrior loves nothing but consoles. He has even said that the PC can't compete with consoles in performance. With his trolling Warrior has made me a troll, so I'm going to stop.
