Microsoft Announces Xbox One Console

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RUSENSITIVESWEETNESS

How many tards will shell out a monthly fee to play their console games?

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sundropdrinker3

Who pays a monthly fee for Live? I spend about $42 and get 13 months. NEVER have had a problem with Live, and I usually play a game everyday. I know too many people that have had nothing but problems with Sony's version. You get what you pay for.

Also, Sony has plans that you pay for. It's not like Microsoft is the only one. I wonder how much money Sony loses on server-related expenditures since they charge nothing.

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DarkStarX

Exactly, Sony's free offerings suck.

I used to think I would never pay for XBL, but after trying out Sony's free overings I decided that $45 for a year of XBL was worth every penny.

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RUSENSITIVESWEETNESS

And then there's the additional $50-100 per month for Internet access that a lot of people can't afford.

Microsoft execs are slitting their own scissile throats.

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big_montana

Sorry but that is a weak excuse. People have internet whether they have a game console or not. And who pays $50 to $100 a month just for internet? I pay $35 a month just for 30Mb internet, and $15 more gets me cable TV. Sounds to me like you are getting ripped off.

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Vecna6667

My family does, because the ISP has my town in an exclusive contract so there are no competitor products, not even DSL(well no towers close enough to make its speed relevant.) So it is either them or Dial-up. I guess the contracts can expire because they actually provide service when needed.

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azzazin5577

Sorry but the xbox live fee is not defend-able. It used to be a good a service 4 years ago but sony has caught up with its free service (online should've been free on the xbox from the beginning though) and exceeded it with its premium psn+ service. What reason is there to keep paying xbox live on the xbox one unless they are saying that every game will have dedicated servers which, lets be honest here, will not happen. The ps4 will now be able to do what the xbox 360 only had advantage off; cross game chat for free. Btw xbox live (a service that you pay for)does go down from time to time as well.

As for me I play mostly PC but do own all systems for the exclusives but even in that area sony is winning.

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Dexter243

AMD is making out like a bandit
doing XBOX and PS4
i know intells cpu is bad ass and kicks AMDS ass but you have to admit amds APU/CPU is a much better combo then intell 4000 graph chip

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wolfing

Definitely not for me. I like to play lying on my bed, so having to wave my arms around to play is not something I want to do. Let's see what the PS4 brings, but assuming they won't charge a fee for online gaming, it's already more than $200 cheaper than the Xbox One (at $40 or 50/year vs. nothing).

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EKRboi

it does have a controller... just like the 360 with kinect, it is there for "kinect games". The laying in bed or sitting on the couch games will still utilize the controller. Possibly allowing you to use the kinect as an addon if you want like skyrim.. but it was optional not mandatory.

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Red Ensign

Got a question I'd like to ask before I send a letter to my local US Senator. Am I correct in assuming that the Kinect Camera will always be on and the console will always be connected to the internet? If so, MS will be breaking laws when it comes to any minors that decide to game naked. Whether anyone ever views the video feed or not, a camera will be recording/monitoring minors naked which is against the law in all states including those that allow you to marry your cousin.

If this turns out to be correct, I advise everyone to write your local US Senator to have this looked into. Perhaps one of you MaxPC guys can see if MS has a response?

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Dexter243

like others have seed it is not a camera and records nothing
may want to reserch the technoligy before you start talking about it
easy to tell you are a conspiricy nut

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wolfing

I think there is a difference in that the camera is not recording or monitoring, it's basically more like a motion detector that can identify shapes. That is, the actual image is never recorded or transmitted.
A worse offender would be any of the web cameras that point to the street, after all, kids could decide to run around naked in the same way.

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EKRboi

you are only half correct if even. It has a full 1080p camera built into it that is obviously capable of full motion video.. thats how it will do skype video chat.. while it might be always on monitoring for hand gestures to wake it up or voice commands... no company in their right mind would make it possible to pull video feed without permission. That would be suicide.

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Vecna6667

You might want to watch this then.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5F9Dvf-O64

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lunchbox73

You lost me at "minors that decide to game naked."

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Xiinc37

I'm going to assume the "5 billion transistors" is the 8 core cpu + some kind of GCN based graphics in an APU config like the PS4. Otherwise a cpu alone with that many transistors would be gigantic at ~28nm and would put this thing into the realm of some kind of IBM supercomputer.

Also, assuming the cpu is ~1.5 billion, that would leave ~3.5 billion for the gpu, putting it between the 7870 XT and 7950 in terms of power. Just thinking out loud...

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PCLinuxguy

For all the "features" this has, I'll just stick to my PC, as it can play multimedia and games just fine without a yearly subscription fee to a useless service.

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RUSENSITIVESWEETNESS

+1

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Engelsstaub

I think I may have to do both. I prefer the PC but I don't really want my kids messing with an expensive build. It's nice to have a console in the living room too. Hopefully they can still rent games.

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dillinger

I will wait to buy this until I find out if the only way to play single player mode I will have to pay for xbox live, that would be utter crap! I can't stand having to pay for xbox live and pay for cable too. I have an xbox 360 and only use it to play games that are made for it & I only play the singleplayer modes. I will never pay extra to be online, I already pay 180 bucks to my cable company & those greedy pricks want more? I'll wait to see. I like my PS3 as I can play all my multiplayer game for FREE!

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John Pombrio

Heh, I gave up the cable. What a ripoff, $60 MINIMUM for basic TV with Cox. A Good media player and EZTV can get you any show you would ever want...

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John Pombrio

Yeah, sports IS the game changer with cable. Watching the college basketball playoffs on the monitor is very poor, you can hardly see what is going on.

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limitbreaker

I love EZTV but the legality of it is very questionable.

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drevas

" A Good media player and EZTV can get you any show you would ever want..."

I like EZTV as much as the next guy, but if you are a College Football nut like me, not an option to cut the cord.

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thematejka

Wow, the thing sounds pretty good, except for the fact that they haven't dropped those stupid subscriptions. By the sounds of it, this does sound like a unifying living room device, it even looks like a device I want in the living room. Good job Microsoft. I just wish they'd fix bad software (Skype).

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LatiosXT

I hear there's a fee to pay if you buy a game used. This also implies the console is always-online.

How do I figure? Well the system needs to know which games it touched and if it was new or used. To figure that out, each game has say a unique serial number and it has to connect to a server to check if the game has been activated or not. And every subsequent time you want to play the game, it has to make this check.

So it's like Steam when buying hardcopies of Steam games... only more draconian.

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maverick knight

What this article failed to mention is that Xbox One will require games to be installed or partially installed. If the hard copy game is to be installed using another account then Microsoft will impose a fee for it to be installed in the new account. It is unclear whether this "new account" refers to a different console or just another account in the same console.

Also, there will be a cloud system called Azura or something like that that Microsoft encourage developers to create games that require communicating with this cloud server for better performance (a la Sim City).

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crimson49er

no 802.11ac? if i can't stream HD to it, it wont replace anything but my old xbox (and maybe not even that).

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someuid

From this article:
http://www.engadget.com/2013/05/21/xbox-one-runs-three-operating-systems/

Microsoft now has three primary OSes: Win8, WinRT and this new XboxOS. According to Microsoft, apps developed for one OS are not directly compatible with the other two.

What a freakin' mess.

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lfd1351

At this point it seems to me that the PS4 is looking better the the XBOXone

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lunchbox73

Watched the event live while I at my lunch. They had me interested until the EA guy came on and played pre-rendered game videos. Lame.

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everettehouse

+1

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silent_sentinel

Microsoft is almost literally running themselves into the ground with these terrible releases

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n0b0dykn0ws

Does it play HD MKVs and bitstream HD audio?

n0b0dykn0ws

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Engelsstaub

Very doubtful on the MKV-part.

Microsoft (and Apple for that matter) never seems to want to support open-source codecs. Same thing with FLAC. It would be easy as hell and license free to support that codec on Apple devices or the Zune or whatever but none of them ever do. Come to think of it: I remember the XBox 360 not even being able to properly play WMA Lossless from my Zune when I had one. Their own freaking codec for the love of life.

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The Mac

i hate to be a nit-picker, but mkv is a container, not a codec.

mkvs require an encoded audio/video stream inside - usually ac3, and h.264

however, native mkv support would be nice.

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froggz

My one and only question, does it have a cablecard slot? Because I'm not seeing how this is suppose to replace all the living room gadgets.

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Incognito

I was thinking the same thing but I can't see how it could since that would most likely drive the cost way above $400. In the unlikely event that it does have a cable card slot than it'll probably be single tuner with no DVR function. Looks like I'll be keeping my HTPC with 4 tuner Ceton InfiniTV.

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The Mac

not a chance. see my post on page one.

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Engelsstaub

I've had the XBox 360 since three weeks after it launched. I initially had no problem paying the sub for online gaming. I'm quite tired of it now as they just take away more and more in an attempt to bully people into maintaing their subscriptions even when they are not gaming online.

What other console device denies you access to Netflix?? We already pay a sub for Netflix access. This and a lot of other issues I'm dead-tired of have me thinking my family may just be looking at a PS4 this time around.

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PCLinuxguy

That's why alot of coworkers I know have the PS3. It seems stupid to pay a fee to watch a service that you're already paying for through the vendor. it'd be like buying gas for your car by the gallon (as we do now) but also having to pay a fee just to pull up to the pump before you start filling the tank.

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dillinger

not to mention the money you pay to your cable company.

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Engelsstaub

@PCLinuxguy & dillinger: I completely agree.

I would rather be rewarded with value for paying a sub (Playstation) than punished for not paying one (XBox.)

...at this point it would take a hell of a lot for Microsoft to retain my loyalty to their console.

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gmvolk

Don't think I would care for the voice commands. Don't really care for Skype either. What about the always on network, no mention of that. Sounds like it will be to be able to pull up tv guide information.

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PCWolf

They did mention it. It must connect once a day & call home, so a Net Connection is Mandatory.

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Mikey109105

Built in skype? Well OK then, this console has lost a buyer. Unless of course skype is able to be turned off only once and forever, then I'll never touch this console. Sadly I was looking forward to this until I heard about the built in skype. I hate skype (I know I'm probably the only one, but oh well), and wont touch anything its built into unless it can be turned off.

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EKRboi

maybe I am missing something here.. why would you not buy it because it has Skype? it doesnt sound like you have a problem with skype at the company level just that you were not satisfied with the service. They aren't forcing you to use it. So dont use it and go about your business.

On a completely different note I wish there was more in game footage revealed. Way too much pre rendered crap you can only take with a grain of salt.. after all Pixar has been producing awesome pre rendered graphics for YEARS. Being a PC gamer and having a sweet HTPC already I cant say for sure if I will buy one or not to replace my hardly used 360 in the living room. What I cant wait for is for all of the gaming world to finally catch up to what us PC gamers have been seeing for a while now in games specifically designed to use our beefy hardware. At least now when we do get stuck with a console port the game graphics will be nice and not just crappy 2005 console graphics with better AA and possibly slightly better textures thrown in. So whether or not I buy a next gen console at all I am still excited for them!

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jimmthang

I have my beef with Skype to (I think its UI is a bit clunky), but I wouldn't say I hate it. Why don't you like it?

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Mikey109105

I tried it twice on my PC (as recent as last month), and I pretty much just hate the UI, same as you. That plus I dont like the sound quality, and the video calling quality kind of stinks too.

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