"X-Men: Wolverine" Movie Uploader Gets 1 Year Federal Prison Sentence

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win7fanboi

Feel free to send whatever message you want to 20th Century Fox.

 

Also, on the same note : Fight SOPA

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For our international friends, there is a petition here that has got a tremendous following.

EFF has another avenue to have yourself heard : https://eff.org/r.C8A

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robains

It's a crime, it needs to stop, it's not stopping, so the penalty gets harsh and will continue to increase in severity if the crime "theft" continues at the current rate it does.

What I don't understand is why people see a difference between going to your local DB/DVD store, and stealing DVD/BD vs. someone who copies the movie and distributes it on a computer and those who download the copy and watch it?  Why are so many people having a problem with this?  It's theft, plain and simple, just different methods of theft, but the end result is THEFT!

Boggles my mind how and why anyone could or would even defend Mr. Sanchez.  Maybe in 3rd world countries theft is common an accepted, but not in the United State.  And these same folks posting in defense of Sanchez ... would you work for free?  You're basically suggesting that the many folks that have put a lot of time, money, effort into producing entertainment should be expected to do it for free?  So please, who's the first one to line up and go work for 2 years for nothing???  Any takers?  .... crickets ...

Stop diverting the issue at hand with irrelevant comparisons to Wall Street, Banks, Mortgage companies.

 

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bling581

"What I don't understand is why people see a difference between going to your local DB/DVD store, and stealing DVD/BD vs. someone who copies the movie and distributes it on a computer and those who download the copy and watch it?"

Since when did shoplifting land you in Federal prison for 1 year?

People are not disputing the crime, but rather the sentences that are being given. People are going to jail or being fined tens to hundreds of thousands of dollars for downloading a few songs illegally. It's just ridiculous.

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kris79

Reminds me of the T-shirt that says "The beatings will continue until morale improves"

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win7fanboi

You're basically suggesting that the many folks that have put a lot of time, money, effort into producing entertainment should be expected to do it for free? 

It opened at the top of the box office, and has grossed $179 million in the United States and Canada and over $373 million worldwide.

So please, who's the first one to line up and go work for 2 years for nothing???  Any takers?

Come and get me :)

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win7fanboi

"What I don't understand is why people see a difference between going to your local DB/DVD store, and stealing DVD/B.." - Do you get a year in federal prison for shoplifting a movie? What asinine logic.

Here's an analogy, jay walking is a crime that hasn't stopped. Lets throw the next guy that jay walks in fed pen and watch people tremble.

As far as the message goes, how about sending the Studio (20th Century Fox) a message by taking 5 of their new movies and sending it to someone who uploads movies for free.

 

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godsdog

"Maybe in 3rd world countries theft is common an accepted, but not in the United State."

 

You just keep thinking that USA is not 3rd world, at least most of 3rd world countries have free medic care... i'm just guessing that your ass never left the countrie unless it was to assalt other countrie claiming to be patriotic.

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warptek2010

Last time I checked X-Men Wolverine still made a few hundred million dollars worldwide combining theatrical release, Cable, PPV and DVD sales. Although what Sanchez did was illegal it did not in the least hurt sales so you're argument about hurting the people that made it is absolutely ridiculous. They DID NOT work for free. They got paid, and rather handsomely at that. Uploading non physical property (or virtual data) is an arbitrary act. The only crime here is this man got a 1 year jail sentence in a Federal Prison as if he committed a murder or a bank robbery.

You sir, are perpetuating this tired argument about piracy. The way piracy is being handled probably turns more people off and they end up staying home or not buying a movie for $20+ you see once and it sits on a shelf forever. The best thing any media company can do about piracy IS IGNORE it, and watch how quickly they're profits will go back up

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West996

No one is suggesting Mr. Sanchez not be punished. What we are saying is that Federal Prison isn't the answer. 

I'd rather see the guy work 60 hour weeks for the next 5 years and only get paid for 30. That is a fitting punishment, and it won't expose Mr. Sanchez to what is probably going to now make him a more serious and possibly voilent criminal by the time he is released. 

No one is suggesting that we condone is his actions or that anyone should be working for free, so your semantics on that subject are wasted on all but the dull witted. 

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win7fanboi

@ shotgun-eddie : While it might give you a feeling of self importance by looking down on someone who has broken the law. You can shove your 'holier than thou' attitude in to crevice of your choice.

When thousands of home loan paperwork were being sent to the 'art department' to get fixed which let the morons who should be turned down for high priced house instead doom themselves, where was the law. Not saying some dumb asses didn't bring it on themselves by making stupid decisions but I didn't hear about a single crocked banker go to prison.

What about Bush, who committed the lives of US soldiers claiming Iraq had WMDs? How many lives were lost there? What was his punishment?

The dude uploaded a movie. He didn't make $$ off of it. If he had gotten punishment that fit the crime it wouldn't scare the shit out of other uploaders. So RIAA's bought justice decided that he should be made example out of. This has been done before : RIAA Still has a Point to Make, Appeals Jammie Thomas Verdict

What federal prison did the BP CEO go to when the tanker hosed up the ocean, messed up livelihood of thousands of people, killed hundred of marine lives?

Wannabe judge/jury/executioners need to stfu!

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godsdog

I subscribe entirely to your comment.

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bling581

What happened to the punishment fitting the crime? I didn't realize someone uploading an illegal copy of a movie was so much worse than being an actual criminal. I bet I could come up with at least a page of crimes that are more severe than simple piracy and have a lesser sentence.

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EdgeTrigger

If you think that punishment fits the crime you are a moron.  Wow!  maybe they should have cut both his hands off for pirating a movie, but it is okay for 100's of CEOs to steal millions from taxpayers during this housing mess.

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West996

I would let them cut off one of my hands in lieu of going to Federal Prison for a year.

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Holly Golightly

I think the sentence is a bit overboard. Gosh damn, pretty much 2 years of his life will be hell. I have no idea when this new X-Men movie came out. All I know remember is part one and two. To be honest with you, I say all super hero movies are corny and unoriginal. What Hollywood needs to do is watch some TCM and learn from the original blockbuster writters. Not all these super heros with endless sequals. To put this guy in a federal prison for something that will suck is just plain wrong. Although the guy who got arrested for this is a pure idiot as well. If I were to commit a cyber crime, I would go to a cyber cafe, pay in cash, and create a completely new account just to upload the video. Nothing personal about me could be traced. Just the IP address of the cafe itself.

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Hoodsey

Just want to point out this was X-Men Origins: Wolverine, a minor nitpick, put at least get the title straight.

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welderboie

THANK GOD I live in canada.....I doubt this would even go to court here....That Judge is a C@#$ and she herself should spend some time in the pen!!!!!

 

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win7fanboi

I heard it's a cool place to live. Not sure about the job market though.

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West996

I agree that something needs to be done to protect copywrites. There are all sorts of things wrong with someone spending a year in Fed Pen for it  though.

I think that sending non violent criminals to Federal Prison is almost always wrong. I remember thinking this when hearing about someone going to prison for Tax Evasion. Its just backwards and it is not going to make these people better citizens. 

On top of the phsycial and mental abuse they will suffer in prison, they are going to learn how to be come better, more serious criminals.

Prison is suppose to be about rehabilitation. Do any of you honestly think spening a hear in Federal Prison is going to make this guy more functional in society? I think that you just took a guy who would probably never commit a voilent crime in his life, and made the chances of him commiting serious and voilent crimes go up, not down.

Not to mention the monetary cost to the government which translates to the cost for tax payers to put this guy up for a year in Federal Prisoin. Its damn expensive if you ever care to research the numbers.

Its not about what kind of sentense this guy diserved, it is about what the consequences of this sentense will be. IMO it will do more damage to a human being then what the crime he committed to send him there did.

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KenLV

“Prison is suppose to be about rehabilitation.” "IMO it will do more damage to a human being..."

Man, everyone is always worried about the “harm” it will do to the poor convict who goes to prison and how can we best “fix him”.  No, prison is supposed to be about punishment.  Yes, the punishment should fit the crime, but there should be PUNISHMENT.  If the convict then choose to rehabilitate while in there, i.e. “learn your lesson”, you might just manage to square you life away and get straight.  If not, well, you are entitled to make the same errors in judgment over and over with similar results.

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Ghok

Actually, I'm not all that worried about the convict. I'm worried about what he's going to do once he gets out, I'm worried how much he's going to cost the system, and I worry about the state of society as a whole if all we do is punish people.  Especially people who just upload movies.

It's very simple to say we should just send bad people to jail to punish them in hopes they don't do it again, and just not worry about rehabilitation... but don't act like there aren't any repercussions to doing so. If nothing else, it's a sure fire way to to turn minor criminals into major criminals.

 

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West996

I do feel sorry for him. You would to if you had even an inkling of what Federal Prisoin was like. The reference to the reality TV show "Beyond Scared Straight." doesn't even scratch the surface. You mentioned punishment fitting the crime, well this doesn't even come close.

You want to punish the guy? Make him work 60 hours a week and only pay him for 40 until his 'debt to society is paid."

They are turning this guy into a criminal for real, mark my words.

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kevaskous

Someone gets it

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kris79

Then make the punishment fit the crime. I think everyone with a little life experience and who didn't miss the normal apportionment of common sense gets that. The act was obviously stupid, illegal, probably altruistic, and totally misguided. He didn't do it for monetary gain. Nevertheless, there are multiple ways to discourage this bad behaviour that don't involve a prison sentence. One such sentence apparently should be to become the Treasury secretary for tax evasion or perhaps even made a gun runner for our durg cartel amigos down south a la attorney general Holder.

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shotgun-eddie

I am amazed by these comments.  Do you all purpose to just disregard and abandon all copyright laws?  Have you really thought out the implications of that?  Most of you sound like a bunch of unproductive fee-loaners with negative tax liabilities that think you deserve what other people work to produce.

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warptek2010

There is a huge difference between the LAW and AUTHORITARIAN punitive measures in violation of said law, and the latter is what this is. The imposing of an authoritarian draconian punitive measure for a legal matter that bears no resemblance to reality. Violation of copyright law should only be a misdemeanor or simply a violation at most and not a felony.

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someone87

+1!!!!

It's called the law, like it or not, we are all to follow it, or reap the punishment if caught. 

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godsdog

You can both suck ass.

Hope some cop beat you into a pulp next time you jaywalk, maybe then you understand what is being discussed here. The f**** judge is on the rag and takes it on the guy... or just got some $$$ to do so.

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someone87

Well I don't jaywalk, and obey the laws to the best of my knowldge, every day.

No matter if you think it's wrong or not, the laws of the land say it's wrong (just like smoking pot, I think it would be legal, but if I get caught doing it, I get in trouble), thus it is, and punishable by the court system.

This guy has the right to apeal the case, but he broke the law.

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Gezzer

A bit off topic, but I've always wondered how the guy got his copy in the first place. I mean it wasn't the final edit, or the DVD/BR master. It was a mid production copy. You just don't rip those puppies, you need to be part of the production team. I'd say he had something to do with the CGI because that was were it still needed work. Yeah I saw it, the plane sequence looked like a bad Linux game.

I agree that a year in jail, even minimum secuity is a bit harsh. But I wonder if all he was charged with was the file sharing or was there a breach of contract of some nature in it as well. 

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Brad Chacos

He claimed to have bought a DVD for $5 off some dude on the street. He ripped and uploaded the DVD to MegaUpload.

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Biceps

He probably should have done that in a less-traceable way.  Hindsight is 20/20.  

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KenLV

@Biceps, No, he probably should NOT have done that, at all.  THAT would certainly avoided spending the next year in Federal Summer Camp.  LAWL

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Biceps

@KenLV:

I hate to break it to you, but you are actually a criminal.  While I agree that piracy is wrong, I actually disagree that it is a problem that needs attention from the Federal Gov't.  The article I linked to below is the simplest of the arguments, but keep in mind that there are lots of draconian laws still on both state and federal books today that can be applied (if they want) to make pretty much anyone a criminal -even you, Mister.

Our corrections system is broken - there are numerous cases of judges taking bribes from for-profit prisons in order to give harsher sentences and to put more people in prison.  There are countless studies that show that prison does not reform people.  You assume that criminals either cannot be rehibilitated, or refuse to be rehibilitated.  However, other countries around the world have had success with rehibilitation.  What do they get in return?  Productive members of society, fewer broken families, and less tax money spent on keeping people locked away.

http://articles.cnn.com/2010-05-18/opinion/alexander.who.am.i_1_law-abiding-felons-criminal?_s=PM:OPINION

Treating other people like humans instead of treating them like animals would go a long way towards creating a better world.

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godsdog

By the way, still waiting to see the bankers that got us in this crap economy to even see the inside of a court room.

And they are going after this guy... nice priorities.

 

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Biceps

Yeah, the DoJ is willfully ignoring the real criminals and going after people who hurt the corporate bottom line instead.

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livebriand

The US prison system is really fucked up. Seriously, even if this guy didn't upload the film, someone else likely would've.

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Biceps

Seiously, even if I hadn't responded to your not-very-well-thought-out comment, some one else would have.  "Some one else would have done it if I hadn't" is not an excuse for bad behaviour, particularly considering there is no evidence some one else would have done it.

Federal prison sucks, and this is a very harsh sentence for a non-violent crime. They are trying to set an example, obviously.  While I don't agree with the sentencing, it is in line with that warning from the FBI that has been shown at the start of every movie since the 70s.  Do the crime, do the time.

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godsdog

People need to pull a "FREE MITNICK" to help this guy

 

 

Apparently they have more than lawyers in the payroll.

The FBI have nothing better to do.

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kris79

Holy, f...in s..t! (appropriate exclamation to appease the media mobsters) - How many pieces of silver did this judge take to come up with this entirely inappropriate sentence? The payoffs and obvious control over our court system has become cartoon-like. It would be more appropriate for someone totally insane to preside over these cases. Without the money control that big business asserts, an insane judge would be right at least part of the time.

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jaxsteven

The movie generated over $60 million and it wasn't that good; Who's to say his upload didn't HELP the movie get more money?

If I went to a theater and spent cash on a terrible movie, I'd tell my friends (and social media) that the movie was a turd and don't waste money on it. If I saw an illegal copy of it before it was released, and it was a decent film, I would still go see it in theaters for the "theatrical effect", along with my friends.

Sanchez likely boosted the movie's profits, albeit unintentionally. His year in prison is very undeserved.

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someone87

 

Stealing something, giving it for free to others, is ok, so long as the ends justify the means?

I agree this is all messed up, but there is never a reason to disobey the law. It's called the law, and it shoudl be followed, no matter how stupid it may be.

 

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warptek2010

No reason to disobey the law? Then I guess in your world there are absolutely no stupid laws and no immorally stupid laws that shouldn't be followed. If the law said turn in anyone who speaks ill of a public official I guess you would do it cause afterall it's the law right?

This country was founded on people disobeying the laws they didn't agree with or thought were morally wrong.

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supercourier

Okay, then...thank you Mr. Goebbels! Or for a more culturally relevant case in law, see Dredd Scott v. Sandford.  People exist for the almighty laws that pre-govern them, not the other way around.  Remember that, you unexamining farm animals!!!

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kris79

Your sarcasm is supreme...

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MrHasselblad

I haven't been scared this much since Bush sold the world on the "reasons" for america to go to war with Iraq.

But for real... It's quite unlikely that this person will be sentenced with ANY hardened convicted and sentenced criminals. What... Doesn't anyone remember Martha Steward serving her time at a minimum security *country club* federal prison (all without fences btw) in rural West Virginia  - of all places. Only to be eventually picked up afterwards by a private corporate jet.

Only in america

 

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Engelsstaub

Bush didn't sell the world on reasons for America to go to war with Iraq. He didn't sell Germany or France most notably. Also America is a proper noun and should be capitalized just as Iraq, West Virginia, and Martha Stewart.

Are you basically saying that "only in america" people serve in minimum custody for non-violent crimes such as this? Help me understand your point... Do you think he should do his year in segregation or solitary confinement for uploading a movie? Labor camp??

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JohnP

Just reading about Federal crime punishment in the WSJ. It is true that most folks go to a low key Federal facility for nonviolent crimes rather than max security.  No fence, dorm like living and a strong willingness to obey the rules to avoid going to a harsher facility.

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MrHasselblad

Yes, the poster named "JohnP" is quite correct.

... And although I'm most definately not a lawyer or legal professional; I know more than a fair share of people on both sides of the legal fence; prosecution and defense sides, and naturally throughout the process system. It is sad to see how many cases (a majority) in both criminal and civil get pleaded out or "resolved" before full resolution.

Yes there are a few cases that do slip through to full resolution. To prosecute this case mentioned in the article would cost a small fortune. Even IF the person were to get one year - very unlikely... I'll still stay the story, they'll do it in a country club federal prison - one even without walls for barriers. They'll also most likely do a small fraction of that time.

BTW as for the rather purposeful "possible typo" in my spelling errors, it naturally was NOT an error. There was/is a reason I did not capitalize america and did in fact capitalize everything else  - even West Virginia

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supercourier

No, you're surely NOT a lawyer.  You can't even spell "definitely."

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