Windows President Steven Sinofsky Leaves Microsoft

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DoctorX

since the high on oct 26, ms stock has dropped 10%. How is that Windows 8 being accepted again?

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maxeeemum

Despite the Microsoft spin (damage control) I am sure there is a lot more to it. Steven Sinofsky was at M$ for over 23 years and suddenly he doesn't work well with others. Give me a break! And he was once considered Ballmer's successor.

He was probably given a big bonus to shut up and go away. He may have been against the Win8 final release or being blamed for it's not ready for prime time short comings at release. Or they can see already Win8 will be a huge failure and it was his idea.

And as far as Microsoft's claim sales are good and other claims of the opposite I still have not seen any numbers. Just remember M$ said the same thing when Vista was released.

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DoctorX

apparently the mainstream press thinks the same way as me.

http://www.nbcnews.com/technology/technolog/key-departure-microsoft-comeback-looks-u-turn-1C7040452

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Cregan89

In contrast to everyone here shouting from the "hate Windows 8 bandwagon", word from the tech sector seems to be that Steven Sinofsky's departure was already pre-planned due to his close minded attitude for managing the Windows team. Microsoft is trying to move towards interconnecting and unifying all of their different products, and Sinofsky isn't the right man for that job. It sounds like they were actually keeping Sinofsky around to finish off the development and release of Windows 8 due to his experience and proven reliability in big software releases before parting ways with him.

This idea is further strengthened by Microsoft's choice to replace Sinofsky, Julie Larson-Green. Julie is (you guys are going to LOVE this haha) the driving force behind the Ribbon UI in Office and bringing it into Windows, and also unifying and simplifying the interface across all Microsoft products.

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RUSENSITIVESWEETNESS

Sinofsky was behind the ribbon interface.

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wolfing

The next 10-15 years are going to be interesting. With Microsoft's complete failure with Windows 8, Linux too fragmented to get any real adoption and MacOS still only available through Apple computers (and their Apple tax), I'm not sure what the future will bring. It almost feels like Game of Thrones' Westeros after king Robert died, a civil war of desktop Operating Systems.

For gamers, Microsoft should still reign for the next few years on Windows 7 or 8, but maybe Linux opens up as an alternative if devs start coding for OpenGL (still, I see the problem of distro incompatibilities as a major hurdle).

For businesses, Microsoft should still reign for the next few years exclusively on Windows 7. I don't see them switching to Windows 8, and when W7 support ends, maybe Microsoft gets smart and creates a new business Windows OS.

For casual users, they'll probably finally switch to Android/iOS as all their computing needs are handled by tablets and phones. I don't see casual use people switching to Windows 8 devices.

An interesting thing could happen if Apple opens their MacOS for non-Apple hardware.

My crystal ball is really cloudy.

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Bullwinkle J Moose

Good Move!

First they send their buddies in Israel a bunch of Valid Certificates "off the books" to help them spy on a shitload of people with Flame and all the other Government Sponsored Malware

Then they deny knowing anything about the malware and say some unknown miscreants cracked their unbreakable encryption

Then we find out they lied and it turns out it was a joint U.S. Israeli operation with Microsoft's help

Then after the spyware was used "FOR YEARS" without Microsoft noticing anything wrong, they simply invalidate the specific certificates that were used with the spyware that we DID find

They then promise to invalidate any other certificates that we find being used for Gov't sponsored malware even though it will be used again for several years before we find it, while Microsoft still see's nothing wrong with this

Then Mr Stevens gets whacked in Libya because the CIA can't track jack shit when everyone on the planet knows Windows 7 & 8 are Gov't Sponsored Spyware Platforms (That is, everyone except for Microsoft, the U.S. and Israeli Governments and the Windows fanboys A.K.A. stockholders)

Then we all do a simple Google News Search for "Microsoft Israel" to see if they actually DO have any such connections

and then......

It's time to RUN LIKE HELL
Good Move Sinofsky!

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anc51699

I'd love to see a Works Cited page with reputable sources for your nonsense rants.

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Bullwinkle J Moose

me too

I give you guys so much $hit just to to see if you are intelligent enough to spot the irony

When I started coming here, the writers as well as the commenters were posting so much Pro-Microsoft Crap that they simply could not back up with evidence of any type

Since Windows is Closed Source, I decided to do the same, but anti Microsoft

If anyone here can post Pro-Microsoft statements that cannot be backed up, then I can certainly do the same as an anti-Microsoft spokesmoose

In all the time I have been here, nobody ever "Got-it"

All I get from this group is "Prove it" yet none of the fanboys ever play by those same rules

The simple fact is, I WILL NOT BE DICTATED TO by ANYONE who cannot back up what they are shoveling around here and if you feel that is unfair then so what

Cregan caught me today but nobody noticed and thats why I'm telling you now

At least he has a brain

Thanks for playing, and remember.....

Windows REALLY IS Spyware!

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anc51699

I've read these same anti-MS posts from you for years now. If you've been trying to be "ironic", it's because of an inside joke between you and yourself. Maybe that's why no-one "gets it", and why you come across as a tin-foil wearing, satellite-fearing, crazy person to everyone. Maybe no one laughs when you respond to their posts with "Cool Story Brah", either.

Maybe instead of posting things like this, you can carry out a discussion properly if you feel someone is BS'ing, like I do when you post your "irony".

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Bullwinkle J Moose

Nah, you guys were right

MS Security Essentials couldn't possibly make a back door through my firewall in XP like I said it did

After all, You guys told me so

I tested it and it updated just fine even though it was blocked in the firewall, but you guys just say I'm wrong without testing anything

So you're right and I'm wrong

In fact, the latest poll shows that 9 out of 10 terrorists actually prefer Windows 7 and 8 due to the advanced security features

Because Microsoft Cares

See what I did there
I just say stuff now without any research, just like you guys

So now we can all be pals

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Cregan89

Microsoft didn't send Israel valid certificates "off the books". The malware authors exploited a PUBLIC Microsoft Terminal Server licencing certification authority which was inadvertently enabled for signing code while still using the outdated and widely replaced MD5 hashing algorithm.

At no point was Microsoft signing the malware itself. The issue was that they provided weak MD5 keys that were enabled for signing code, something Microsoft thought was impossible. With valid Microsoft signed MD5 keys in hand, the malware authors performed a successful collision attack on the keys, which means they were able to systematically add and flip arbitrary bits in the malware code so that it would have the same MD5 hash as the key without changing the underlying function of the code.

Once Microsoft found out, they invalidated the keys (obviously), modified the Terminal Server licencing certification authority to make it unable to create code signing keys at all, modified the Windows Update service to use a completely separate licencing service, and I believe they even invalidated MD5 keys for all code signing making this type of attack 100% impossible in the future.

Based on the fact that the malware authors had to resort to a key collision attack in order to gain access to a Windows system, and not one of your hypothetical "Microsoft backdoors", I think we can safely assume that Microsoft is NOT a government sponsored spyware platform.

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Bullwinkle J Moose

Cool Story Brah

Quote:
"Based on the fact that the malware authors had to resort to a key collision attack in order to gain access to a Windows system, and not one of your hypothetical "Microsoft backdoors", I think we can safely assume that Microsoft is NOT a government sponsored spyware platform."
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Can you prove that the malware authors had to resort to a key collision attack in order to gain access to a Windows system instead of getting help from Microsoft?

NO?

Then how is it a FACT?

You "THINK" we can safely "assume" that MICROSOFT is not a Government sponsored spyware platform?

I think you are right

It is WINDOWS that is the spyware platform

If you simply mispoke and meant WINDOWS instead of MICROSOFT, then please show us the sourcecode to every version of Windows before asking ANYONE to make such assumptions

It's so funny that these morons in Amerika can never seem to stop an attack when the alledged terrorists refuse to use your spyware

Sure is a mystery

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legionera

I completely agree! Microsoft is the government's way to collect data from everybody's computers around the world. Why otherwise 10 processes would take up so much processing power? it does not make any sense! remember the old svchost issue in XP? That was their biggest failure to cover their intentions. I start believing taht MaximumPC is actually a way for M$ to make me write my stuff so they could trace me down and the government could brainwash me! Bra, hold yourself! You are not alone! I see them too!

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anc51699

All the Win8 hatred for removing something as minor as the Start Menu. Honestly, not that big of a deal, since the same functionality of the old Start Menu is in the new Start Screen. Despite the fact that it's lighter and faster, no start menu = PMS time. I can't even read MPC comments anymore without feeling angry about how people can get so upset about it. Switch to a no more tears shampoo already!

Note to Power users: right-click where the Start Button used to be on the toolbar, and you'll find a new menu you'll love even more than the old Start Menu. See, it's going to be OK!

From TheVerge: "However, multiple sources within Microsoft describe Sinofsky as abrasive and off-putting". It's very simple, he was a dick in the workplace. If he gelled better with other MS staff, he'd still be there. That's how it goes, they'll be just fine without him.

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bigrigross

I have all three of my computers on 8, but only because Stardock made Start8 and it makes 8 usable. When running on 6 monitors, the start menu is essential, metro gets in the way.

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Andrew.Hodge

I also have an eyefinity group. Three screens. Know what I did when I got windows 8? I got a 40 dollar low-res screen second-hand and mounted it off to the side. I run all of my metro apps on it, and I keep my desktop on the Eyefinity group. Not once has metro ever gotten in the way, and the start button was never essential, even before I got #4.

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Andrew.Hodge

Seems the computer world is more polarized than America.

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igoka

The funniest part they put the same Metro UI on Windows Server 2012. This is where you start wondering what exactly they being smoking ? Some defenders can say " Well you gonna use Remote Desktop anyway so you won't see Start screen " but question still why in a hell you would do this for server OS.

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Cregan89

Because they expect a lot of IT professionals to manage Windows Server through Remote Desktop on tablet devices.

We are already using this functionality at my workplace, its a complete game changer...

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Jasker

The woman with the auburn hair is cute. She could be my boss!

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Nastyman

...like a couple of people said, when you installed the os they should have given you a choice to use the old win 7 interface with aero enabled or the metro interface. I would have bought the os in a heartbeat because it ran the AMD machine I tried it out on much faster than XP ever did. I am running win 7 on my main machine and went back to XP on my backup machine. Why? Because I tried the pre-release version and couldn't remove Metro in the same fashion that I removed it in the beta version that let me go back to win 7 mode.

Don't give me any crap about resistance to change because I have seen and embraced more change in my lifetime than you ever will. Microsoft made some very bad decisions in putting out this os, won't admit it and fix it and that may be the reason he left.

Nasty

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Cregan89

Well clearly you haven't embraced more change than I have as I have embraced the change to Windows 8 and you have not...

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I Jedi

"I have seen and embraced more change in my lifetime than you ever will"

That's pretty presumptuous of you to think no one can measure or rise above you in embracing change. :P

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wolfing

Thing is, he came in after Vista to make Windows 7, but really Windows 7 is almost the same as Vista (after the service packs). Many said W7 was basically Vista SP3 but with a different name because "Vista" was just a failed cause, name couldn't be salvaged. So maybe he didn't really have much to do with W7, and the utter disaster that is Windows 8 is really his doing. Sales are abysmal and he's responsible for that debacle.

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Cregan89

"Sales are abysmal"? Where did you hear that? That only sales figures that I have heard were from retailers where 75% say Windows 8 and Windows 8 device sales are meeting expectation and 25% saying they are exceeding expectations.

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Blues22475

Source?

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Eagle70ss

It's like this dude took a big ol' dump(Win 8) at the Redmond toilet and then moved out in the middle of the night.

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ddelrio

I actually quite like Windows 8. It's smooth and responsive and not as difficult to use as some claim. When using the traditional start button, you have to navigate the hierarchy of folders and applications--and there's not much else you can do while doing so. If your mouse happens to slip when navigating via the start button method, you have to start all over again (no pun intended). With the Metro UI, you can easily find your most commonly used applications without cluttering the desktop, and, if necessary, refer to the major list to find what your looking for. Items such as the control panel are also more accessible. Furthermore, Windows 8 is fast and responsive. I've seen numerous videos of people claiming certain items such as printers can't be found. It's humorous because I figured out how to find such items almost immediately. It took less than a week to fully adjust and appreciate the OS--and I wouldn't go back.

With regard to this particular departure, it could very well be Windows 8--but I'm wondering if it doesn't have more to do with the Surface. Google is beating them to the punch with the Nexus 10--and with a much higher screen resolution and what I'm certain will be a lower price tag. I myself was going to wait for the Windows 8 Surface release--but now I think I'm going to go with the Nexus 10 and just RDP to my desktop when I need to. 32GB is fine if it saves hundreds of dollars--especially when you can RDP when necessary and get a higher screen resolution. At least in my case, a sale was lost--and I'm sure others will follow suit.

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Andrew.Hodge

Agreed. Windows 8 is and will be a sucess. It has already proven to not be the "Vista part 2" that most of the haters were claiming it would be. Windows 8 was nothing to leave his job over. This was something else. I'm curious as to what this "personality clash" was that they were talking about. Sounds like a bigger story waiting to come out.

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maxeeemum

It doesn't get any better than this!

It's his fault! LOL!

Here comes the blame game! Windows 8 was Sinofsky's idea!

The soap opera has just started. Episode 2 is coming soon!

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nlst

If you have no use for the Metro UI and its "Apps" what the heck is it all for? Always trying to make the Win8 Desktop look like Win7. What a mess.

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Ghost XFX

Not buying it. That is, him being the reason why Windows 8 failed so badly. How can you go from keeping things simple, with W7, into this disastrous OS?

This OS may just become the reason I switch to Linux. I've contemplated in the past, and even now, to use Linux just to see what it's like. Particularly thanks to my PC gaming habit. But W8 is really prompting me to give it a go. I don't see what I'll lose in the deal.

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warptek2010

I take it that not too many people are storming the barn to purchase Windows 8? Maybe Microsoft needs to hire some of those focus groups the Republican party is going to be needing soon. Just saying.

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aarcane

I'd be willing to wager dollars to donuts this is over DirectX 11.1. Smart money is on either 1) some leak confirming that he was fired over refusing to provide DX111 for WIN7, or 2) a quiet blurb or announcement that DX111 will indeed be available for WIN7, or 3) the same as 2, but with more fanfare.

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Bullwinkle J Moose

Excellent

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Hilarity

Look at all the pissing and moaning. Tell me, what OS should I use that is very flexible, and very well supported across a whole range of uses and hardware? Not Linux, not Android, not BSD (HA!) and Apple can go fuck itself. What is left? Windows. Windows is not going anywhere anytime soon. Its too entrenched.

I've installed 8 on every single one of my three systems. Fuck 7, fuck XP and absolutely fuck those who can't accept change, the pitiful retards.

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GuNNuP

You sir are what microsoft wants us to feel, That is why im holding my resurvations. when a company has to TELL us somthing is the way to go, There must be a problem. I was a little to young when vista came out to notice the marketing strategy there. But i know for a fact that 7 had people loving it, and they did not need to do all this stupid stuff.

On a side note there was windows xp 64 bit, but the catch was to play all the lattest games you had to have service pack 2 (or three i forgot) so in order to have some epic stuff like more than 4 gigs of ram. you needed vista.

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DoctorX

how old are you? 10? grow up. Us retards are the reason why Microsoft is as big as it is. Until windows 8, when we found the direction microsoft was going, they would listen. So go fuck yourself. Some of us have made our living on microsoft and now they tell us to take a hike? I accept change just fine. Have you even used DOS? Windows 3.1? Nt 3.5.1? 4? There has been change every time along the way, but always in the way to improve. I even run linux and I have been critical of the same bullshit there too: gnome and unity are just fucktards. What is common with windows 8, gnome and unity? They are all vying for touch interfaces that noone wants. The only one to do touch right is KDE and they dont force it on you. You have Kwin and Active. Why the fuck didnt Microsoft just give us a way to turn the fugly off? I ended up hacking windows 8 to disable Metro and I have been happy since. But why should i? And I have been running windows 8 since CP came out. I gave it an honest try. And I even tried an RT tablet last weekend. And you know what? It still sucks. So again, go fuck yourself and get off your high horse.

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Hilarity

Moan moan moan. Stop wearing panties and grow some balls you retard. Nothing wrong with Metro. RETARD. Evolve or die.

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steven4570

you're the type of person who shouldn't be allowed on the internet.

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DoctorX

i stand corrected.. 8 years old... time to go to bed you fucktard. if this was such a great idea, why did ms stock dump 3% today? Apparently the stock holders are not buying the bs either unlike you. I know more different os's than you ever will and I have adapted better than you. Go the fuck home.

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Pulagatha

Yeah, totally dude. Like whatever. They just don't get it. They just need to steroid up so Metro. Bro. ---- Metro is for a mobile operating system and even then, it isn't that good. But you go ahead and apologize. Microsoft needs all your sympathy right now and certainly not your criticism. How well are they doing right now? They're a running joke. They're making Linux look like a viable option. Yeah, but what you should do is threat people that you want to use the same operating system as you? They're going to evolve right on to another UI, if someone doesn't do something quickly.

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Happy

Name calling is the last refuge of a man with no ideas and no argument.

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And3rs0nTX

I second this

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joshnorem

Doctor - please calm down. There's no need to be this angry.

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DoctorX

normally i am calm.. but shit like this can calling everyone who has an opinion different than this idiot a retard pisses me off. I would really like to know how many os he is proficient at? Me? I have used every os except Acorn and Mainframe. I think I understand what change is.

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Happy

Call me immature but Hilarity started it. Perhaps he gets a good chuckle out of it when he says something inflammatory and then someone responds (i.e. maybe he's a troll).

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DoctorX

i dont buy the clash of personalities excuse... just saying.. of course they will not say that windows 8 is selling bad.

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GuNNuP

They Know the first people that usually upgrade to the latest and greatest. Thats usually the power user, and the gamers. The companies berily use 7 most never touched vista. The ones that switched to seven are the reason why they wont switch to 8 because the new OS is to flashy and too different. They want an os that most people know how to use. My dad would rather use XP than any other OS and he is in his Fifties. So the older people will not switch to the younger flashier one, the gamers have devs support on not buying the new os.

Microsofts strategy.

1.) No service pack 2 Because they can... so now every time i install windows seven it is going to take forever, because the patches are not in a pack. it's almost anti consumer.

2.) directed at the gamer, Good luck with 11 over here the grass is more pretty and 3D with 11.1. Reminds me of the marketing ploy that AMD used with their 4xxx cards this card is 10.1 that means it has a ton of dx11 features. Though none that i heard of used the 10.1 feature other than maybe 1 game.

I will hold off from getting Windows 8 till i see some games i cant get that i want. and some Niceness to the people that bought your older windows 7 OS. We are the reason why you contenue to make money. Im sure xbox mad a little but your OS is your main stream of revenue. The zune failed (though i liked it a good amount.

I remember when i got a new computer, Windows vista was on it. I hated it. Liked xp, was happy they used blackmail to make vista a we bit more attractive and braggable.(yeah i made up that word) But all it was was a bloated mess. Then 7 came out it was like vista but in every way vista was bad 7 made better.

Im starting to think windows works like intel with the Tic Toc approch.
Me horrid 2000 lil better then XP great, then vista horrid, 7 great, 8 I dont know im going to wait it out. and see. It seems like they are doing all the same stuff that made Vista a bad OS.

although all windows systems are better than macs, Im sure 8 is still better. Though its not better than 7. Hopfully 9 will not be like the movie 9.

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