Windows Blue Alpha Build 9364 Leaks

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fung0

Microsoft under Ballmer will never "adapt and over come" because Ballmer is not a 'tech guy,' but a bean counter who makes tech decisions based on his mystical reading of the corporate balance sheet.

Under Ballmer, Microsoft has shown an impressive ability to steer it's own wacky course, regardless of how loudly users protest. This Blue leak confirms that Windows as we know it is dead. And that the logical upgrade from Windows 7 will therefore be GNU/Linux. The UI in Mint is looking really tasty, while the UI in Windows 9 is looking really god-awful.

FOUR windows at a time?? Gosh, thanks Microsoft!! Welcome to 1985, Metro fans. When your next PC crashes, good luck finding a geek who'll know or care enough to fix it for you.

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ftldelay

My main problem with Windows 8 is for business usage. I'm an IT guy and some of our core software just isn't being updated for use with Win8. We're just now getting versions that work with Windows 7. The other part is we've got lots of users that just aren't very computer literate. The last thing I need is to have things change so drastically away from what they're used to and have to support that. I also hate how they've change where things are and how to configure things. It's like they couldn't care less about those of us that have to support this. They think they're making it easier, but for who?

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stige

it's actually staggering how computer illiterate many corporate business people are.

my personal opinion is that Windows 8 is a simple adaptation the truth is people are stupid, and they want to stay that way.

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dtourond

Couldn't of said that any better.

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roleki

Corporate users can adapt to Windows 8 without problem; the issue is not with the users refusing to adapt, it is with the thousands of LOB software packages that simply aren't Win7 compliant, let alone Win8.

On its own, Windows 8 is pretty simple for the average user to understand. But once they need to do something other than browse the web or dink around in Excel, all bets are off. Blaming users for a strategic blunder by Microsoft isn't doing much good for anyone.

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stige

i'm absolutely not laying the blame at MS feet. that observation is simply commentary on what i perceive to be the skill set of the average corporate employee. it was meant to be commentary on how surprising it is to find people working at large, global companies who just don't care that they don't know how to use basic excel functions, save a file to a specific drive, or even make sure an AV program is running, etc.

I like Win 8. a lot. all the wailing and gnashing over the stupid start button cracks me up. people need to get over it. especially the supposed "tech" crowd on all the forums. the crying is just embarrassing the rest of the people who consider themselves tech savvy.

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Eoraptor

so, some modest improvements, but still no start button, and still no booting to the desktop...

what I would like is windows 7 with the windows 8 onscreen keyboard and OS recovery options. that seems a far more elegant solution that continuing to flog the dog on this schitzophrenic mess.

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dtourond

"still no start button, and still no booting to the desktop... " Oh c'mon.. Were you really expecting them to do that, I mean really..

"what I would like is windows 7 with the windows 8 onscreen keyboard and OS recovery options. that seems a far more elegant solution that continuing to flog the dog on this schitzophrenic mess." Or you could just appreciate what you've got and realize that no company will ever make a product that's exactly what someone wants.

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danwat1234

What about the Start Menu? Microsoft is still being stupid?
Yay for start8/retroui

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lindethier

I don't see Microsoft ever returning the start menu at this point. They have a vision of what they think the future of operating systems is meant to be, and they are going to stick with it, even if they have to drag all of us kicking and screaming.

The Modern UI would make a whole lot more sense if every desktop had a touch capable monitor, but the problem is that they don't.

I applaud Microsoft for being forward thinking, but think they should have eased it's customers into this new interface by giving people the option of using one or the other. They could have then waited till the next version of Windows to force the Modern UI.

TL;DR: Microsoft should have given people a choice between the Modern UI and traditional desktop.

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Formedras

They DID. Sure, they got rid of the old Start Menu, but the traditional desktop is otherwise still there, pretty much in its entirety. (And the Start Screen is pretty much just a fullscreen Start Menu, with some better stuff and some worse stuff.) And you can still use the desktop while using a snapped Modern app.

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dtourond

"Microsoft is still being stupid?" You may think they're stupid for not keeping something that's almost 18 years old and lacking some important qualities that the Start Screen provides.. Yes, I'm talking about the Start Menu..

"Yay for start8/retroui" People who use programs like that are one of the reasons why there's really no hope for humanity..

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fung0

new ≠ better

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dtourond

Wrong. There's actually no real answer to that.

Since Windows 8 comes with improvements to the security, stability, performance and functionality to the OS, that alone means that it's better. So, that + the features it comes with makes it even more better.

Now, some people don't need something that's better. Some people don't mind using inferior software. In that case then, (for that person) new doesn't necessarily = better.

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roleki

If you actually use your PC to do something other than post unnecessarily-condescending messages on the internet, you might understand why the departure from the Start Menu paradigm is a bit problematic in the real world.

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dtourond

I understand how it can be a problem, but let's go back 18 years when people were still using Windows 3.1. How do you think they felt when Windows 95 was released? Over the years, they grew to love the changes that were made. I bet you any buck that at first, there were people who hated the changes and swore that they'd never use Windows again (just like some people are doing now). Now, let's move ahead 18 years. We see a lot of users who love the Start Menu and are once again making a big issue out of nearly nothing - just like they did 18 years ago.

If it's really that hard for someone to take 10 minutes of their own time to learn how to use the Modern UI, then by all means download a third-party app to restore the Start Menu.

If people aren't willing to learn something new, and instead, choose to stay in the past, then they'll never be happy. 18 years was long-enough for the Start Menu i.m.o.

Let me ask you something: Were you expecting it to stay forever..?

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RichieB07

So Windows 8 becomes Windows Phone 8 with some added stuff? I'm not sure if I Like that or not. However, killing Control Panel like that is a disaster. I use Control Panel on a daily basis, and it's a must have for any OS.

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dtourond

"However, killing Control Panel like that is a disaster. I use Control Panel on a daily basis, and it's a must have for any OS." All they're doing is getting rid of Control Panel, NOT the settings. What they're doing is simply moving the settings from Control Panel to PC settings. It's still going to be in there.

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Carbira1

I don't understand all of the hate towards Microsoft and Windows 8. No one is making you use it. If you don't like it I'm sure that there is a Linux distro that will fit your needs or you could use OSX. Please stop complaining. If it is/was so bad then no one would buy it.

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DoctorX

you just do not understand. WE are the ones that made MS successful. Now they are turning their backs on us and the IT dept. I DO run linux and I do run windows 8. I very much enjoy the performance boost, but i hacked the hell out of it so I do not have to touch metro. I never see it and do not want it. I do not like it on a phone or tablet. I want control of my computer and not the other way around. This is the major point. It isnt the romper room interface. It isnt metro using 12G of my 16G of ram. It is about the choice to do with our computers what we wished. This is how MS got where it is today... choice. MS is trying like hell to make it a closed system and this is what has everyone including me pissed off. There is not an OS i have ran that i did not customize the interface to my tastes.. this is going back 20+ years.

I feel the same way about my android tablet (Nexus 7) and my android phone. I will not buy either if i cannot load what i want. I do not buy anything that locks me out of what i want to do.

Why dont you just STFU. You have no idea WTF you are talking about.

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dtourond

Actually he (Carbira1) knows exactly what he's talking about.

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Carbira1

I like to think that I have somewhat of an understanding of what I am talking about. You complain about not being able to change Windows to how you like but then you go on and state that you have changed it to the way that you like. I don't see how you have any less control of your computer just because the interface has been reworked.

With over 40 tabs open in Waterfox, Steam and Origin open in the background, Kaspersky, and Vision Control center running I am using 5.5GB of my 8GB of RAM. You might want to double check what's using all of your RAM as it isn't Windows.

Windows is very far from a closed system. You get to change just about everything that you want if you know how to do it. What exactly about Windows 8 can you not change to your liking? You already stated that you changed a bunch of stuff because you didn't like the Metro interface.

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DJDeCiBeL

Because W8 is most useful on a touch device, of which, the only type that most people own is a smartphone or tablet. For "normal" PC's, it's just annoying "fluff" that makes things more difficult to navigate and use than it should be.

Now, can people "get used to" it? Absolutely, but I for one never want to. I enjoy W7 and will use it until MS stops supporting it, or they get away from the current direction of their design. I just have no real use for the ridiculousness that is W8 or anything like it.

Also, I HAVE used W8 for a short period on a normal PC, as well as a touch enabled PC, but that was enough for me. No more.

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eastbayrae

This.

Most them don't have a legit reason to hate on Win 8. I use it and I love it. I hated the old Start menu, and rarely used it.

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dtourond

You're right. Most of their reasons aren't legit. It's like they almost made some of 'em up just find a reason to hate it. I never liked the Start Menu, and I'm glad that it's gone.

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fung0

If you think this is about the Start Menu, you are clearly the target audience that Microsoft is aiming for: users who deal with their PCs only in the most superficial way. Who are happy choosing between two or three near-identical appliances, that allow 'apps' to be purchased only from their makers, that allow no customization or modification, and which refuse to access any content that's not officially approved. You are going to be one happy little camper.

If you are that person, then I doubt you really care to understand the hostility towards Microsoft's new direction. You'd need to grasp that Windows isn't the Start Screen, or Metro. It's an operating system, a software platform that became near-universal because it followed certain broad principles: openness, flexibility, low cost (amazingly enough), accessibility to developers, appeal to 'geeks' and IT. Windows gave users the flexibility to work the way they wanted, the power to access all the data resources they needed. And it created an open and vibrant software marketplace.

Now, Microsoft is abandoning all these principles, as well as the audience that originally drove its success. They're saying "We don't need the geeks any more. The computer is now going to be just an appliance. We'll give you pretty 'tiles,' and you will happily give up freedom, flexibility and capability."

If all that sounds good to you, swell. But the fact is that if you happen to enjoy closed systems with rigid, inflexible UIs and a closed programming model, you've always had lots of options. Windows was the chief alternative to all that. Microsoft closing it down is a slap in the face to the original core audience, and a disruption to the whole market.

I've used a LOT of different operating systems, and was not eager to switch, yet again. But Microsoft is actively pushing me away, and GNU/Linux is looking better all the time. When the last of the actual 'computer' users has departed, I'm sure you'll be happy with your multicolored toy. And never understand what you've given up.

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djrebelion

I'm confused at why they are going against what a PC excels at.... The modern UI would be fine if it had a way to get rid of it. I understand a lot of people are idiots and need something extremely simple. I don't know if MS know this but even kids don't like Windows 8. We just got my 14 year old son a Dell and he asked me if he could take 8 off and put 7 on. Microsoft I must say you guys are idiots! You nailed it with Windows 7 and instead of building off it's success you make something nobody wants.... Who is the idiot that took the tablet build and decided to make it a OS for PCs anyway?!?!

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Cy-Kill

'Who is the idiot that took the tablet build and decided to make it a OS for PCs anyway?!?!'

That 'idiot' is Steven Sinofsky, who got fired!

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djrebelion

In these troubling times I hate to see someone lose there job but in this case he deserves it. Windows 8 sucks.

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dtourond

"Windows 8 sucks." Well, if you think it sucks, then I guess you don't like all the features it comes with; all the improvements over 7 and the new UI that improves on organization, customization and features..

Let me guess, you hate it just because of the UI. You'd rather use something that's inferior just because of one thing.

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jonahkirk

dtourond, your right. Windows 8 does come with many improved features and I don't understand why people can't see that. It comes with the improvement to not natively support DVD playback. It comes with the improvement of no Windows Media Center unless you upgrade to pro (after they spent so much effort developing it in the last versions).

Speaking of WMC a lot of HTPC enthusiasts (myself included)use this feature (I know many use XBMC or Myth or others also). I could never figure out why Microsoft didn't improve everyone's experience by forcing WMC to open on boot-up. Of course it can be made to do this just as Metro could have been made a module enabled by default on tablets and phones. I installed Win 8 on my daughter's computer because it is how she uses a computer-facebook, skype, messaging, chat, you-tube, pandora. But for me, it is a pain to administrate, settings are moved or buried taking more steps to find.

Microsoft created a niche with WMC which it has slowly been abandoning (first internet TV native plugin was ditched, now WMC is not even included with Windows unless you upgrade; then they created a home server niche with WHS 1 and then WHS 2011 which they are now abandoning. Finally, they have abandoned a great many of there users by not offering an integrated module for phones and tablets and touch pcs but a forced exodus from what its customers have grown to expect.

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roleki

Install any application that isn't a game, and you'll understand why the complaints about the Win8 UI are legitimate, and not the result of closed-minded paranoia.

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savage4naves

Is this the equivalent of SP1 for Win8? I wonder if Blue will also include hotfixes.

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Leo Scott

The idiots at Microsoft are driving Windows into the toilet. If we wanted an oversided cell phone we would buy one. That's what Windows 8 is.

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dtourond

"The idiots at Microsoft are driving Windows into the toilet. If we wanted an oversided cell phone we would buy one. That's what Windows 8 is." It's actually not going in that direction, but okay.

How is it in any way, an "oversided" cellphone?

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Dorito Bandit

Windows 8 Blew

Now there's a fitting name!

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PCWolf

LOL!! I see what you did there!

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JLMarshall

There isn't a single thing that I like about Windows 8. I'll stick with 7 until it gets so outdated that I'm forced to make a change, and if by then, whatever version of Windows isn't any better than the abomination that is Windows, I'll make the switch to, and this isn't easy for me to say, some form of Linux or for that matter, even a Mac. That's how much I hate Windows 8!

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dtourond

"There isn't a single thing that I like about Windows 8. I'll stick with 7"

I guess that means you don't like all the improvements that they've made regarding security, stability, performance, etc. I guess that means you don't like all the new features that it provides. If you prefer to stick with an inferior OS that lacks all of those important improvements and the features, then be my guest.

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Neufeldt2002

There is going to have a drastic must have feature for me to go this route. It very much looks like 7 may be my last MS OS, especially if they continue to lock down the OS and force feed the modern UI, which should be called the Fisher Price UI.

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dtourond

Just because they added the Modern UI, doesn't mean they're locking down the OS.

And really, Fisher Price UI.. How old are you, 12?

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Neufeldt2002

Over 40 thank you,

I know a Fisher Price look when I see it. Obviously you have never seen a Fisher Price anything to not recognize it. I'll explain it for you since you never seen it. Fisher Price was famous for making toys that had blocky things in different colours and sizes to attract children to play with it. Just like the Modern UI, the look is to attract children. Maybe a different comparison would be more to your liking. The link is to an AOL Kids only page from the 90's that failed.

http://cdn.ientry.com/sites/webpronews/pictures/AolWindows8Pic5.jpg

If you like it fine, but just don't assume that others will.

As for the locking down, What would you call a company that introduces an interface that the only way you can have new programmes function on it is to buy them from a store you provide that only has programmes that you approve? Apple and MS is the answer. IT IS LOCKED DOWN.

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Hilarity

Modern UI is useless, but be honest, how often do you use the Control Panel? This is exactly why I switched to OS X. A PC is a tool, not something you endlessly fiddle with. Microsoft is heading in that exact direction. Simplifying everything down to the bone.

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dtourond

"Modern UI is useless" How is it useless?

Here are two main examples of how the Start Screen can be useful for people:

- Having all of your apps, websites, and folders right there for you
- Being able to personalize the Start Screen to your particular style
- Being able to customize the tiles [Modern apps] (such as making them smaller/bigger, or by using Live tiles)
- Being able to organize all of your apps, websites and folders into separate groups, and being able to name those groups (ex. social, news, etc.)

With the Start Screen, you can customize it in more ways than the Start Menu, and you can also organize it and personalize it better. Since you can do a lot more, then there really isn't a reason why people shouldn't use it. Unless though, they're afraid of change.

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PCWolf

Hilarity, I use the Control Panel A lot, specially to make adjustments or fiddle with certain settings when needed. It's made for those who want to "Fiddle" with things. Since it seems you have no understand as to what Control Panel is for & why anyone would want to use it, then it's a good thing you went & got a Mac. It's made for Simple people like you who don't understand things & want it "Simple". Enjoy your Mac.

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Jox

Computers made by Leapfrog are undeniably simpler. I would argue that this does not automatically make them better.

-Jox

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DeltaFIVEengineer

That all depends on what someone values, doesn't it?

Maybe a Leapfrog computer that makes noises when you push buttons is all you need to be a productive member of society. Some people want to micromanage their PC. Others certainly don't. I think the beauty of OS X is that you can have it either way through a terminal window or System Preferences, but it's by no means as integral to the user experience as Control Panel is in Windows.

Different strokes, my friend.

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mbreslin

Kill it, please. Put it out of it's misery.

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dtourond

I don't know if you're trying to be funny, but it's not working. And, they're not going to be putting it out of it's misery any time soon.

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Mikey109105

Oh good God, kill it now!!!

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