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T-man0717

Working on computers for the last 15 years I've heard user's complain about their computer getting slower time and again. They want it to be faster. So I fix it and they are instantly happy. As we all know this is called a user experience. When our customer is unhappy they are having a bad user experience. When they are happy it is a positive user experience. At the end of the day isn't that what this Windows 8 debate really boils down to? There is no tech on here who "can't" use or service Windows 8 machines. That includes the ones who say they hate it. Power Users want to do whatever they want with their OS. That includes using a start button if they so desire. Does this make them backwards or foolish? No. So does this mean that Microsoft screwed up? Yes is the only answer I can give on that one. Not because they have given a sizable majority of their customers an unhappy user experience, but because they seem to be making no effort to rectify the end user experience. This is evident in the new Windows Blue this article refers too.

Now before anyone starts to believe I'm going to jump on the Hate Windows 8 bandwagon I must admit that the operating system does have benefits. USB 3 transfer speeds are definitely up. That in my opinion only, is the best feature Windows 8 brings to the table. There can be an argument made that the security is better, but what Windows patches don't secure to our satisfaction other software vendors can. There have always been better defragment, cleaning, organization, and even file transfer programs available from software vendors that are better than what came with our operating systems. Anyone who doesn't believe me can easily verify this with a few web searches. This takes Windows 8 and Windows 7 to a fairly equal playing field, where the 2 of them run almost identical. Windows 8 will win some battles and lose to Windows 7 in others. The margin of victory is small in most of if not all tests I've seen. That's because Windows 8 is built mostly from Windows 7 code with a few slight changes here and there for improvement. Such minuscule improvements can be overcome by merely adding a program from a software program that might even be free.

Now on to the newest complaint. Renaming the Control Panel as PC Settings. The biggest defense here is that all of the things currently available in Control Panel will also be available in PC Settings. My question is, how do you know that for sure? If you are on the design team, then please accept my apology as I will accept your proclamation as truth at that point. Otherwise, we must all entertain the possibility that we may in fact lose some of the tools and functionality of the Control Panel in this change. It wouldn't be the first time Microsoft has taken away or hidden a tool deep in the OS. And if you are thinking that I'm talking about the start button you are wrong. The thing I fear the most is seeing PC Settings resemble the Settings in my cell phone. I fear it because Windows 8 seems to be aimed at being the "Lord of the Operating Systems". The one OS to rule them all. It's designed to be an all in one OS. Even the most stalwart defender of Windows 8 cannot deny that tiles is very similar to the app tiles they use on their cell phones and tablets. On a side note, I think Windows 8 would sell better if Microsoft packaged it with an official Windows 22-24" touch screen. The new UI is ahead of its time, it's just ahead of the money people are willing to spend on a new touch screen monitor to accommodate it in these hard economic times. Truth be told, the interface really isn't any different than the iPhones and Android phones we use today.

And now we move on to the programs available in Windows 8. Microsoft created the App store. A place where we buy apps "approved" by Microsoft. If you think this right then you are wrong. If I was a developer who worked hard on getting my product ready for the market place and was denied because Microsoft didn't like my product or what it did I would be upset. You would too. There's no sense in denying it. It's things like this that make people wonder if Microsoft is slowly phasing out their privilege to use the OS they bought with their hard earned money however they like. This is why many people are now starting to talk about switching to Linux. Steam a hot gaming client is now switching to Linux. Why? Because they aren't "Microsoft Approved" for Windows 8. If Microsoft continues on its current path of not caring about their end user experience, how long before "Administrative Privileges" are no longer Microsoft Approved and our desktop's are no more, replaced by cell phones and tablets? Think that last statement is over the top? Flip through news feeds on yahoo, magazine articles and the web itself. Desktop sales are down and everyone is trying to break into the tablet market, as well as other small form factors. And Windows Blue, the replacement for Windows 8 looks a lot like another all in one OS with a few more bells and whistles. Am I foretelling the end of desktop computers? No. Linux is out there to cater to those who don't like the direction Microsoft is going, and Power Users will still demand the best available within their funds.

In closing, I will say that Windows 8 is not a crappy OS. It just wasn't marketed right, and lacked the necessary ability to provide an easy alternative to the UI. These minor changes that catered to the end user experience rather than forward movement might have removed the resistance that prevents it from ascending to greatness. Packaging the OS and a touch screen together might have made it more appealing, as long as it wasn't over $4-500. People know how to use their cell phones, so a touch screen package would've made this more successful in my opinion. I use Windows 8, Windows 7 and a few Linux distros, so I feel pretty neutral in this. What I have attempted to do is make a neutral case that shows the pros and cons of what's available and what might be in the works. I have not named or attacked anyone, because that's not what these posts are supposed to be. If you disagree with me on any point, you have the right to respond. I however have made my points and will likely not. Respect and best regards to all :)

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maxeeemum

I agree with most of what you wrote and it is well said. It's too bad you posted this 3 days after the article was written and many will not read it. In fact I almost didn't read it because it is so long. You should consider re-posting it on another Windows 8 story.

The problem I have with W8 is its sole purpose is to sell Windows Phone, tablets, Xbox, etc. but mainly WP8 to get into the mobile market. But It has had the exact opposite effect.

If Microsoft had put out Windows 8 Desktop with start menu and W8 improvements (Home, Pro & Ultimate versions), Win8 Tablet w/start screen (Pro & RT) and WP8 they would have knocked it out of the park. But for me Win7 may be the last M$ product I ever buy.

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T-man0717

Unfortunately for Microsoft, many people will feel just as alienated by their chosen path. It really is too bad that they didn't roll out an OS where you could choose Home Premium and Professional, with the option to choose the proper set up for tailored individual set up. Thanks for the reply :)

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sojrner

Windows 8 is fine... as long as you run the old desktop. The good thing is that w/ dual monitors the "modern" UI is so broken that staying on the desktop and using that metro thing as your start menu and search is easy enough. Before they add new things, FIX WHAT THEY CURRENTLY HAVE!

All PCs are not glorified internet appliances, nor do they all have a single screen. Some people actually do work and use a windowed UI as it is intended... you know... with multiple windows open that are not full screen.

Honestly, if they'd just allow that modern UI to stay open when I click on the desktop (so I could leave it on my second monitor) I'd use it more. I use Rainmeter, did use widgets and like having info, feeds and system stats on a second monitor while surfing and gaming. Developing tends to cover much of that up at times, but still... That metro thing would fit the bill perfectly... but alas win 8 is still borked for that. It doesn't look like this update will change that.

a deeper look at my foray into win8:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/110683124650920598379/posts/HmecgPgk6GV

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Ryan5609

Windows XP - Great
Windows Vista - Shit
Windows 7 - Great
Windows 8 - Shit

I guess we are following the normal pattern. I will be waiting for Windows 9, as long as you can easily bypass the metro UI.

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rsaotome

Wow, the hate for this OS is unanimous, no matter what tech site I visit. Do you think MS is trying to continually piss off the tech community, by not listening?

Eh, well, here's a little video I'm sure many of you have seen, but for those that haven't, it's quite amusing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTYet-qf1jo

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Fray

This is a good video that goes through the incredibly stupid design decisions in Windows 8.

I think Maximum PC should step up and have a "Windows 8 Sucks!" cover story.

Use your influence to help Microsoft stop killing themselves. Don't be editorially mealy mouthed just because we can use 3rd party solutions to avoid Metro.

Dvorak has stepped up:

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2417020,00.asp

Let's get Metro properly labelled, derided and sent the way of Clippie.

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zcpro

I have been using Windows since the good old days of MS-DOS 6.0 with Windows 3.11 for Workgroups. Now Windows 95 came along and my grandmother could use a computer just by clicking the “START” button. Right?! ….ok!
Today, if I buy my grandmother a Win 8 PC and sees the “START SCRREEN” she will scream WTF is this @#$%!!??
Go buy me a MAC or install Ubuntu on my S.h.l.T!!!

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dtourond

Oh yeah, I'm sure she'd say that. Because the typical senior will know about Ubuntu.. /s

Windows 8 is a great OS and if people aren't going to use it just because they're either (a) too afraid, (b) too stubborn, or (c) all the above, then that's their loss.

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John Pombrio

funny, Stardock just released ModernMix, which goes a LOT further to fix the ills of The Modern UI than does Windows Blue. Geez MS, a $5 program is better than a full patch release for you guys. Get a clue...

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dtourond

Oh, I've gotten the clue already. I've found out that people really are getting dumber today. They'd rather not take a few minutes to learn how to use the Start Screen, and instead either (1) downgrade to an inferior version of Windows, (2) buy a Mac, or (3) use a third-party app to bring back the Start Menu..

People like that are the reason why our future is doomed as far as intelligence is concerned.

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TheFrawg

I'm hoping over time Metro will become more intuitive. I helped a friend buy a new PC last month and was fumbling to help her get the basic of her computer set up. Metro just wasn't clicking for me. I'm not sure if that is a reflection on my intelligence, the design of Metro, or lack of experience with a new interface.

I'm hoping it's the latter. I'm a Microsoft fan and have used every version of Windows since 1.0. So far my Win 8 licenses sit in my

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DeltaFIVEengineer

One only needs to look in a mirror.

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hypersonic

I think your right about the intelligence or lack there of.

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Synux

Thanks to title kerning I thought this was an article about a Modem.

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jgottberg

The biggest improvement they could make is NOT launching apps on the desktop. Once the app is closed, you are sitting at a blank desktop. Having to swipe and click on the Start icon or clicking the Start button on the front of the Surface tablet to get back to the start screen does NOT make sense. Once an app is closed, the user should RETURN to the Start screen. That is my biggest annoyance with Windows 8 so far.

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livetalk125

WE are the ones that made MS auspicious. Notwithstanding Theta Healing they are playing Judas on us and the IT dept. I DO run linux and I do run windows 8. I extremely much appreciate the exhibition support, yet i hacked the heck out of it so I don't need to touch metro.

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LatiosXT

So much dichotomy over a GUI.

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HVDynamo

I for one don't like the new UI, and will be sticking with Win7 for a while it seems. I like the start menu and the fact that it doesn't take up the entire damn screen. The under the hood enhancements on win8 are definitely awesome, and had they left the UI alone or at least given us the option to make it look/work like Win7 without resorting to hacks and aftermarket software I would have bought it day one. I do think control panel needed some work, but I don't like how everything metro has to take up the whole screen when half of what I am doing and want to refer to while I change settings is on the desktop. Granted you can run two apps, but it's just easier working with actual windows in my experience. Then there are the ads I noticed on in metro, I am not going to pay $130 for an OS to have advertisements on it. Plus, I liked the Aero look better. Basically what I am trying to say here, get rid of the ads and give me a win7 look option, I will buy it tomorrow for the other improvements.

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dtourond

"I for one don't like the new UI, and will be sticking with Win7 for a while it seems." Have fun using an inferior version of Windows.

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hypersonic

Well the only use win8 seems to have had is its ability to run on older laptops, which is doing quiet nicely on my friends HP Pavilion 2006 ! Other than that the metro is useless. Win8 should have been split in two where metro should have been purely for mobile users called 'windows mobile' leaving the desktop part for the rest of us. And yes, I installed the start button as well !
I love win8's ability to function flawlessly in resource starved environments and want to see this functionality expanded to encompass even old desk and laptops together with multicore and multithreading enhancements. I'd have to agree with most people that the removal of the start button & addition of metro UI was a disaster. But that's good for win7 users as we'll get an extension before MS abandons us. I would love to see more development, integration and use of GPU rendering in IE11.

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Neufeldt2002

I have talked about MS pushing ads in Metro before as an option that they might do like the Xbox Dash, which to me would definitely mean I will never buy another MS product. Have they really started to put the ads on Metro? or are they still limited to inside the "apps"?

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HVDynamo

I was just setting a PC up for someone the other day and saw some xboxish like ad's somewhere in metro. I don't remember where it was, but I remember it distinctly reinforcing my dislike for windows 8. They weren't that intrusive, but it's just the fact that it means the beginning of ad's built into an OS which scares me.

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Johmama

I have Win8 on my laptop (my "guinea pig" computer, where I do stuff like take the new Windows for a spin, dual-boot with Linux for the heck of it, etc. and if I install something I don't like or it otherwise needs an OS reinstall, I don't need to preserve any data) and I haven't seen any advertisement tiles a la the Xbox Dashboard. I have another Win8 key for my desktop, so when I want to take the plunge I can, but if I ever find an advertisement tile on my laptop, I will either give that key to someone or maybe hold on to it for the day that maybe MS takes them back out.

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maxeeemum

Looks like more fail for Microsoft!!!

They will have to bury Windows 8 sooner or later because of money. When the OS is not selling (worse than Vista) then they will get it. As for me I will boycott all M$ products till they get it. I refuse to buy any Apple products and I will not buy any Apple clones.

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dtourond

Yeah, that's not going to happen.

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maxeeemum

Hey why don't you STFU Mr. Know It All 20 plus comments on everyones opinions.

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dedgar

Please stop feeding the troll.

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maxeeemum

This is the perfect example of the M$ plant. This guy registered as "dtourond" over a year ago and never posted anything. All of a sudden with news of the release of the second coming of Win8 he posts over 20 comments to defend M$. LOL!

My submission has triggered a spam filter!

You can't use the word defend i n g !!! But it's funny how MaxPC can't block a certain .com

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AFDozerman

You can only boycott the whole computer industry for so long. Until then, have fun playing with your Commodore64!

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maxeeemum

@AFDozerman

Think before you comment!!!

"severnia" pretty much covered it. Well said!

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severnia

so MS and Apple are the "whole computer industry"? I guess you have'nt heard of Linux? or how about Chrome OS? Android? As consumers, how else are we to vote if not with our wallets?

Windows XP held on for well over a decade and is still out there in noticeable numbers because people liked what they had and did'nt WANT to change. It took Vista failing to meet MS's sales targets and Apple's ad campaign making them look like fools on global television before they tried again. Remember the "Im a Mac, and Im a PC" commercials? How will Windows 8 be any different? The "whole industry" will stay on Windows 7 and any of the other OS's until MS comes out with something WE WANT. Besides, MS has a history of making every other OS release a POS. 95, good. 98, shit. 98SE (another hey we tried again) good. ME, BIG shit.XP, good, Vista, shit. 7, good, 8 = SHIT. 9(?).... well, lets hope the pattern continues...

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maxeeemum

Yep! I'll stay with Win7 till 2020 if I have too. Love Linux Mint also as well as other distros.

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PCWolf

First they kill the Start Menu, now they trying to kill Control Panel? Talk about Microsoft trying to cater to the idiots who would otherwise run out & buy a Mac!

No wonder people are returning the slate back to the stores in droves! They think its Windows 8 & that it runs windows 8 apps when it does not.

I will stick with Windows 7 until I no longer have a choice. The sad thing is, thanks to all the Morons & Social media Addicts who love Windows 8, I feel that day is coming soon....

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dtourond

If you can get the same settings in "PC settings", then why are you whining about the Control Panel disappearing..?

"No wonder people are returning the slate back to the stores in droves!" That's the dumbest thing someone could ever do. I guess those people don't mind downgrade back to an OS that's inferior. And OS X isn't really better, nor is Linux. They can all pretty much do the same things.

"They think its Windows 8 & that it runs windows 8 apps when it does not." What the hell are you talking about..? Windows 8 *does* run Windows 8 apps (aka Modern apps)..

"I will stick with Windows 7 until I no longer have a choice." If you prefer an OS that's slower, has less features, and comes with less improvements; then by all means, have fun.

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maxeeemum

@dtourond

So how long have you worked for Microsoft????

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dtourond

I've never worked there in my life.

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jbitzer

Yeah douchebag, I'm an ms stockholder with a vested interest in them succeeding and I think win8 sucks donkey balls. I can't help but wonder if you go to burger kings page and comment about how Big Macs are better because you say so too. Fucking toolbox. You're nothing but a troll and doing pretty well getting a rise out of everyone here, but you know why smart guy? Vista ha a lot of improvements over xp too and what happened to that universally reviled os? It lasted maybe 14 months on the market? Your one man ms ball gargling crusade isn't going to save win 8, corporate America doesn't have the time to retrain all their users on a new ui, and they aren't going to lose the money while their employees are trying to figure out how to open a program. Win8 is frustrating to use unless your a Facebook and email only using grandma somewhere.

It'd be different if more people were familiar with windows phone to THEN make a similar os, but changing the first place operating system to match the last place phone and tablet ui in hopes it will somehow boost sales of your mobile platform is retarded. There's a reason Zune and windows phone were in last place with that interface, no one likes it.

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maxeeemum

Could have fooled me M$ shill!

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dtourond

If you can get the same settings in "PC settings", then why are you whining about the Control Panel disappearing..?

"No wonder people are returning the slate back to the stores in droves!" That's the dumbest thing someone could ever do. I guess those people don't mind downgrading back to an OS that's inferior. And OS X isn't really better, nor is Linux. They can all pretty much do the same things.

"They think its Windows 8 & that it runs windows 8 apps when it does not." What the hell are you talking about..? Windows 8 *does* run Windows 8 apps (aka Modern apps)..

"I will stick with Windows 7 until I no longer have a choice." If you prefer an OS that's slower, has less features, and comes with less improvements; then by all means, have fun.

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jbitzer

Holy shit, people don't like the UI, which is the part they interact with most when using their computer, get over it. Do you have to reply to every post and point out how they're wrong for having a different taste than you? You fucking dick.

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dtourond

Well, here's the thing. If they're allowed to bash it, then I'm sure as hell entitled to defend it and prove why I think they are wrong. Freedom of speech, remember that.

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phoenixjc

In order to prove something, you need to cite credible sources as examples, or provide indication as to why you are a credible source yourself. So, really, you have proved nothing other than how you can argue like a child. The only thing you have done to indicate why you think other people are wrong is to insult their intelligence, which is a tactic of those who fall into the quantifiable description of unintelligent.
I strongly suggest that you exercise your freedom of speech by quoting "famous" white supremacists as loud as possible in south central L.A. or Harlem. Please feel free to cite the 1nd amendment when they start exploiting the 2nd against you.

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HVDynamo

"Holy shit, people don't like the UI, which is the part they interact with most when using their computer, get over it. Do you have to reply to every post and point out how they're wrong for having a different taste than you? You fucking dick."

Apparently he just doesn't understand the concept of people having different opinions. But you nailed it on the head right there.

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Scatter

I wonder if Microsoft is planning to break the many third party Start button replacements.

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Scatter

I also wonder if we'll see a bunch of new apps that will replace the Control Panel and Desktop that MS plans to now kill off as well.

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stige

"To crush your start buttons, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of the women who can't let them go."

- Microsoft, 2013 and beyond

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Meat_Juice

I always loved that line.

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Drew10th

I really hope MS proves me wrong and shows some ability adapt and over come. I have started to by into the hype and think MS is really living in a glass bubble separated from there customers. It did take most of my MS product's being put out to pasture and me even looking for a PS3 to make me think that.

TL;DR version, awesome freaking quote.

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stige

maybe i was too subtle. that was actually a jab at people crying over the start button. it was my way of saying, "get over it".

from the early 90's through mid 00's MS was a stagnant, beached whale. their products were stagnating. (if you launched IE the police could charge you with necrophelia. true story.) and everyone was pissed off at them. people hated MS for not caring that their products were dated.

some people were so fed up with MS that they created a little company called "Google" that has challenged MS in almost every field.

now MS is feeling the heat. and changing. they are finally getting off their laurels and adapting their products, trying new things.... CHANGING. and now that there's progress, people are STILL mad at MS. this time it's for doing the opposite of what they were doing before, which was nothing. i don't get it. which is it?

suffice to say, my opinion is that MS is doing the right thing. their products may not be all that great, they may not compete head to head with the best. but at least they're trying. at least they're no longer satisfied with the previous decade of success.

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