Windows 8 Off to a Worse Start Than Vista

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MrGeek

Ok... Win 7 64 bit rocking on my self built gaming rig, most of the parts BEST OF THE BEST MaximumPC.

Along comes the Evil Empire and like the Corleone family, makes me an offer I can't refuse...

Win 8 Pro $39.99 AND Media Player thrown in...

HELLO??? Is this on?? If you guys want to pay a few hundred dollars... sure... wait until Jan 31 passes by!

The enhancements to DX11 (Win 8 exclusive) are worth it! And have not crashed yet! Smooth as it can be. I use DESKTOP 99% of the time... after all it boots to START which is just the same START found in earlier versions of Windows, except big tiles now! So boot, 6 seconds, START, DESKTOP, business as usual!

Skyrim, Guild Wars 2, A-10 Warthog, Rise Of Flight... all smooth... even my very very very old Sidewinder 2 joystick works fine!

My social media apps (ISPQ, Pal Talk, Skype desktop, Yahoo Messenger, Windows Live Messenger) all work great and my Logitech C920 kicks ass with them...

So yeah.... I am glad I took the offer made by Sith Lord MS!

And just because I want to be different I think I am the only human being that does not uses Facebook or Twitter!

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whr4usa

DirectX 11.1 isn't exclusive to windows 8

8 can be configured in-box to boot directly to desktop

Media Player is always "thrown in"...Media CENTER is what's included for free which will become paid soon

MaximumPC's Best of the Best list hasn't usually included the actual best for a very long time sadly

I mean I don't have a problem with 8 but you do not help our case

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RUSENSITIVESWEETNESS

Did they tell you that if you use the word START in your damage control, that consumers will think Windows 8 retained the Start menu?

Oh, and well-planned: throwing in the social media catchphrase. The whole thing nearly comes off as natural.

Moron....

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whr4usa

it is a Start SCREEN...not a Start MENU ...having whole screen to display everything on your computer is better than some tiny legacy text menu

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profdlp

Not if you are trying to do more than one thing at once. Some people can do that you know.

Pretty and shiny colors are nice, too. My dog likes them.

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whr4usa

speaking as an entrepreneur and collegiate with *3x Samsung BX2231 monitors connected to 2+ computers whom can multitask in the digital world better than most women can in the non-digital world I do know about doing "more than one thing at once" and Windows 8 helps greatly, unfortunately I'm still constrained to Windows 7 primarily for the time-being until some further testing for the optimal configuration of both storage infrastructure and third-party business-dependent apps are finished

i hate pretty and shiny colors ...the theme defaults fails, StarDock saves us all!

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TheMiddleman

I haven't yet upgraded because I see no reason to. I'm happy with 7, and I don't have a touchscreen, so why pay for something I don't need that offers no added functionality?

Perhaps when they release the first service pack for 8, which does away with the pointless Tablet-centric Metro UI, I'll consider upgrading. Until then, 64bit 7 is more than adequate.

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Hilarity

Moan moan moan, $15 for 8, $5 for Start8 if you want the identical Windows 7 menu back. Start 8 murder the hot corners and you never see Metro unless you want to. Boots straight to desktop. All in 7MB.

Only problem I've had in 8 is occasional USB 3 glitches. Drives drop, performance spikes like a crack baby. Still a fuck ton more solid than XP and worth an update over aging 7.

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Bullwinkle J Moose

More solid than XP?

I haven't had a bluescreen of Death or a single Lockup for several years since I switched to portable app's
Many of those app's do not run on Windows 7 or 8 at all

I also appreciate the Absolute security I get with XP running Driveshield (which also does not run on Windows 8)

I am still looking for a virus or worm that can survive a reboot with driveshield installed but can't find any

Not even Flame or it's updated cousin now in the wild

When you get as much security with 7 or 8, we will all know your a damn liar

Oh Shit.....

Hey Ballmer, these meds are wearing off again

HEY! DOPEMAN! I'm talkin to YOU!

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AFDozerman

No disrespect, Bullwinkle, but personal experience has served me differently. I worked for the Navy for a few years on a base that made a transition from Air Force to Navy. Before the transition, the computers that I was using to fill out work orders on were Phenom (as in TLB bug Phenoms) triple cores that ran Vista. After the transition, we had XP running on Core i3s. I spent two years pulling my hair out because of restarts and blue screens of death, not on the Vista machines, but on the XP machines. I actually *missed Vista.

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Bullwinkle J Moose

Maybe you should stop using software that causes Blue Screens

If a software application gives you one Blue Screen, it will happen again

Making your applications portable with either Thinstall or Thinapp will prevent registry conflicts because the registry settings are in the portable app instead of Windows

Many app's that conflict with each other from shared DLL's and reg setting conflicts can be made to work together without problems by simply making them portable, and those that don't need to be eliminated

Once you eliminate the causes of Blue Screens, you will never get another

No offense, but XP was not the cause of your Blue Screens, it was your lack of understanding the problem

Thinstall was sold to VMWare and they have a 30 day trial of ThinApp if you need to research this a bit more

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whr4usa

+1

NT5 was a joke

Vista SP1 x64 was actually an excellent OS but even SP0 x86 was an upgrade from XP especially on a custom system not an oem box improperly in-place upgraded off the shelves of best buy

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Andrew.Hodge

Not to say that XP was a bad OS. My family ran it for years on a box our neighbor built. It served its purpose well as a family computer, especially considering it was an upgrade from ME (of which I can barley remember). It's just that after a few years, bugs start worming their way though the holes and software begins being written for better OSes with modern dependences and more up to date techniques that eventually breaks compatibility with the older system. Sure, if you want to build a moat around yourself and milk your cows into a wooden pail, by all means, knock yourself out. The rest of the world will move on without you.

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whr4usa

you're "a damn liar" if you think xp with or without any third-party utility can be securable like 7 nevermind 8; either that or you know nothing about computer science or information assurance

if you've got a portable app that won't run on vista or higher then you must have never updated in a very long time - most portable apps now are the other way around... they won't run on xp but will only run on vista or higher...

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TrollBot5000

pssssst hey over here. yeah you. over here. what'chu lookin fo' man? Xanax? Valiums? I got that new stuff they call it Slo Mo. Yeah its that stuff from Dredd-3D. Mess you up man. Keep you praising microsoft until the early morning light. Only 200 bucks a gram. Da bitchez go crazy for it and they'll be begging you to tell them how good Metro is. You dig?

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Bullwinkle J Moose

Aaaaaahhh, that's better

Windows 8 is the Best O.S. EVER, and for no apparent reason!

Now Give Ballmer all your money, so I can get more dope tomorrow

We Love you Darth Ballmer

All hail the Dark Lord

Microsoft
Microsoft
Microsoft
Microsoft
Microsoft
Microsoft

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Endlesspath

+1 to Bullwinkle J. Moose.

I had WinXP... contemplated Vista, saw how poorly it ran for gaming (and how long it took for MS to get it up to speed) and stayed with XP. Win7 Pro came, switched to Win7... and I'm extremely satisfied with Win7 (boot time for me with SSD boot drive 30 sec max on an old install, and I also only startup maybe 2x a day). Win8.. why bother? I don't need Metro/touchscreen (let alone the ridiculous additional expense of touchscreen monitor) period.
I'm fairly computer literate (BS comp sci) and have been PC builder since 1995... so Win8 is basically pointless to me. However, my wife is the proto-typical computer illiterate/dolt (read that: clueless) and I'd say Win8 would be perfect for her and others like her!

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whr4usa

you obviously didn't read all of his replies nor are you a developer whom reads documentation or follows the digital scientific method

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FascistNation

Win8 is actually a nice OS. I would start to switch over as my XP licenses start to approach expiring (slowing migrating to Win7, got 3 XP licenses left to go). And I understand them figuring users are switching to Smartphones and tablets to the exclusion of laptops and desktops. They are probably right.

And the removing traditional Explorer menu to force touchscreen interactive "Don't Call It" (another stupid indecision MS) Metro. Balsy, but pretty fast those who intend to keep on using laptops and desktops (lots of gamers who push adopted equipment in IT depts.) figured out Win7 was going to be their standard no matter how nicer the internals of Win8 are.

So there. A f**king disaster of MS making. Unlike last time not because of a bad OS, but because of an insistence you WILL use our new interface to use our new OS. .... No, we apparently won't.

Hope you survive another drought MS. I might pick up some shares once you hit $20 or less.

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ShyLinuxGuy

Uh, doesn't MS always say "It's the best operating system ever!" every time they release one?

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TheMiddleman

Apple says the same thing with every iteration of iOS and OSX, even though 5 was initially a battery chewing connection dropping disaster until it's third update, and Lion was a networking and multitasking nightmare that is considered the Vista of the OSX line.

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TrollBot5000

Yeah just look up old press releases or commercials on youtube.

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savage4naves

There are a multitude of comments here, so here is mine.

Nothing to read here, move along.

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Bullwinkle J Moose

Oh wow, you guys were right !

These prescription medications are great!

Windows 8 is best O.S. EVER

What's that Lord Ballmer?

Listen to the voices in my head ?
OK

Believe what the Dark Lord tells me ?
Sure, why not?

We Love you Darth Ballmer

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TrollBot5000

Don't worry about the naysayers man. Being paranoid just means you're more attuned to what's actually going as opposed to just turning a blind eye and not worrying about anything at all. Or more simply being willfully ignorant to the powers that be. The puppet masters depend on keeping the population dumbed downed and distracted. WATCH MEANINGLESS REALITY TV DRIVEL LISTEN TO CORPORATE HOMOGENIZED RADIO LISTEN TO WHATEVER POLITICAL NEWS PUNDITS TELL YOU. WATCH MEDIOCRE HOLLYWOOD MOVIES ESPECIALLY ONES WITH MILITARY INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX BRAINWASHING (Iron Man) WINDOWS 8 IS THE BEST OS EVER SLEEP SLEEP SLEEP OBEY OBEY OBEY. I consider myself to be paranoid to some extent as well. Nothing wrong with that. Theres a difference in being skeptical of political and corporate power vs thinking your neighbor's refridgerator is plotting to kill you.

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Meat_Juice

I agree and wish to subscribe to your newsletter.

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savage4naves

I've seen you around quite a bit man; I am curious to know how old you are and what you do for a living.

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Bullwinkle J Moose

Me Too!

Who am I now Dark Lord?

Uh huh....uh....huh

OK

I'm sorry, but "Age" implies "Person"
I AM A NUMBER!

and my "job" is.... The Glorious unpaid honor and privilege to serve under our Dark Lord and preach his Gospel of 8

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ddsloan96

While the percentage may be lower the number of computers being used is also significantly higher. skewed numbers

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kylej628

That was exactly what I was going to say! Spot on, if you have 100 computers, and 20 went to vista, it would be 20%, but if you have 1,000 computers, and 20 went to 8, you get 2%, percentages shouldn't be used in this article as they are almost always skewed when taken at different times. Or perhaps they were used to create a topic for this article.... who knows.

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ddsloan96

While the percentage may be lower the number of computers being used is also significantly higher. skewed numbers

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Bladerunner1961

In all honesty, I think that the adoption rate is a bit off.
You are using a percentage and not hard numbers. There are a greater number of computers out there now as apposed to 2007.
To say that it is a failure is misleading at best. No I am not a MS employee, or a fanboy of windows 8. Please give hard numbers on Vista's adoption rate, and compare it to Win 8. Let the numbers speak without bias, one way or the other.

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whr4usa

+1

why does MaxPC have such geekless antinews with bias recently!!??

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AFDozerman

Exactly what I said farther down, but had my post buried with other posts almost immediately. :(

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TrollBot5000

[insert negative windows 8 comment here] There's no point in elaborating on why windows 8 is a failure. There's 82 comments below mine that I'm sure cover all the bases. So I'll just say this. If you're into gaming you're probably running windows 7 and if you're not into gaming or have any work related software that specifically HAS to run on windows then jump off the redmond borg's mothership and switch to Linux.

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whr4usa

your name says it all, read more

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TrollBot5000

trolling comment omitted to save face.

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TrollBot5000

Wasn't just 2 days ago that you replied to my posts on the 64bit firefox article and now since I bashed windows you're calling me out? Read more what exactly do you mean by that? Please explain.

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whr4usa

yes, I did reply to you about waterfox

you didn't bash 'windows', you bashed windows 8;
"If you're into gaming you're probably running windows 7 and if you're not into gaming or have any work related software that specifically HAS to run on windows then jump off the redmond borg's mothership and switch to Linux."

all false or subjective or both - THAT's why I 'bashed' you.

the only disadvantage to gaming on windows 8 is that some digital distribution clients have been hardcoded using unsupported workarounds (to 'evade' compatability mode infrastructure) to not allow some or any games to download or/and install or/and run properly on 8, even though there's no technical reason for them to not be allowed to do so...I've thoroughly tested this with just about every game I can get my hands on with digitally distributed editions from various clients versus boxed, retail or physical copies... game distributers and publishers are just playing marketing and misinformation games like always...

there are many categories of professional software for which linux has no functional or/and technical equivalent or/and where they do actually then other platforms have superior performance, management or/and security capabilities all else being equal; granted, many are industry-specific but you've very narrow scope to think there's no possible non-profiteering reason to develope an application only on Windows (or Solaris or HP-UX or other unices... Macintosh is the only exception to this haha)

P.S; I love CentOS

P.P.S; the new windows kernel > current linux kernel
just saying...

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TrollBot5000

Ok man let me just go back and clarify some things. I'm guilty of saying things and assuming everyone can fill in the gaps for the things I left out. What I was trying to say that I feel that for general computing Linux is a better choice. For gamers running windows 7 there isn't any benefit in upgrading to 8. And like I said for work related purposes if you're using some specific software that only works on windows then yeah use what ever OS gets the job done but if not then yes I'll reiterate linux is more stable and less hassle when it comes to maintenance/security. And yes I understand that linux doesn't always have a professional equivalent. I'm a musician and there isn't a linux equivalent to pro-tools so windows is the only option. I guess I need to seperate how I feel about operating systems in general as opposed to what software gets the job done. Yes I can be a linux fan boy at times. I'll admit that. WHat I said was subjective maybe but then again aren't comment posts the vehicle for subjectivity? False definitely not. And for the record I like it when people as knowledgable as yourself challenge me it keeps me on my toes. So yeah man looking forward to arguing with you in the future take care. :P

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whr4usa

for gamers running 7 there are huge benefits upgrading to 8 in general though specific games may or not make it worthwhile

if linux was technically or functionally superior for "general computing" it wouldn't be shedding professional developer marketshare like crazy or mostly reliant upon Red Hat for maintaining or gaining negligible userbase proportionally (...and I like Linux, too!)

"linux is more stable and less hassle when it comes to maintenance/security"
ignoring the logical fallacy of this argument (you can only compare individual kernels++distros combinations to a specific version of windows, not make a blanket statement about windows v. linux) this is absolutely false starting with Windows 7 on the client side and Server 2012 on the server side when compared with default installations o supported x86 distros with their latest supported kernel as of the release of windows being compared
that said there's a huge argument here in favor of a minimalist installation of RHEL or CentOS for example but it comes down to use-cases, network topology etc. when squaring off with server 2012 which is why I use a selection of windows and linux

"I guess I need to seperate how I feel about operating systems in general as opposed to what software gets the job done"
agreed...you're a smart man, I'm also appreciating these debates of ours facilitated by MaxPC not posting any real news lately haha

...the specific pointed exampled which i stated was false was indeed false but your arguments have a lot of merit!

which distro and hypervisor do you prefer or/and use out of curiousity..?

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leonardtj

I have protools loaded on my lappy running Mint wine is a great way to run windows apps on linux a mac counter part is currently in development called Darling but it isn't quite ready for prime time yet

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TrollBot5000

*comment omitted*

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timlider

Windows 8 was tough at first. But, once you get used to it is fun to use. If you do have Windows 8, I suggest you get an app called Start8 from Stardoc, it's only 5 dollars and makes things much easier :)

As performance goes Windows 8 is faster than Windows 7 on the same machine. This is running the same software.

Tips for OS install:

1. Use Windows Easy Transfer to backup you profile and other data.
2. Make a list of installed programs.
3. During the upgrade process online tell it to make an ISO file. Make a DVD.
4. Install Windows 8 in a new formatted environment.
5. Install programs
6. Use Windows Easy Transfer to get your data back on the computer.

The Upgrade gives you a lot of issues with previous programs and programs you install later on, where as the fresh install does not.

So far at work I had 4 people saying they did not like Windows 8. I hd them use the Windows 8 computer I setup and they fell in love with the OS. BTW, there is no touch screen on it, even so we are thinking of getting one for it.

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whr4usa

+1

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TrollBot5000

eh forget it whats the point in saying anything at all.

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whr4usa

I'm a troll for agreeing with somebody for actually knowing the obvious half of proper initial setup anybody should be doing for any new system running any OS..? (just using that platform's equivalent capabilities and tools where they exist)

yes, I've got a Microsoft certification on Windows 7, so since I tend to be 1 of the few people whom actually read any documentation about Microsoft products even amongst MaxPC staff, except possibly Gordon himself, I tend to be "put in the position of" informing people of their ignorance

definitely not a Microsoft fanboy or a trollbot like you (:

I use IE8-10, opera 12 and waterfox for myself and my customers (...and occassionally there's that person stuck with 32-bit windows, actually needs flash, ends up with Chrome)
I adore CentOS
have taken over 300 hours of VMware Academy official training and learned to hate vCenter++ESXi and love Hyper-V 6.2.920x

my comments here are always well-informed and backed by documentation and field experience in homes and businesses and my own experiemntation and testing and often conflict with my personal tastes

if that's trolling then that's probably why this world is going crazy!

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TrollBot5000

I'll reply paragraph by paragraph.

#1. I read documentation as well. One miniscule example was knowing that I didn't need to install SP1. Not that that matters anymore considering that I've abandoned windows as a viable computing solution for my personal use and only use it in virtual box for reference puposes. Noones putting you in a position of "informing people of their ignorance" you're not being forced into that position you're CHOOSING to be in that position. Just admit it.

# 2 Definitely not a microsoft fanboy or trollbot like me? I don't expect you to understand the reason why I named myself that. It's tounge in cheek and I'm just having a bit of fun.

#3. What do I care what browser you prefer?

#4. Never played with centOS but I'm happy for you. Yayyyyy.

#5.. What does your vmware academy training have to do with anything?

#6. Never said you were uninformed.

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whr4usa

...you removed your original comment, to which i was replying but regardless

1 - fail

2 - fair enough but I did find it convenient consdiering the now-deleted accusation (:

3 - you orgiinally called me a fanboy so I offered a small piece of antedotal evidence for consideration

4 - to give up windows for linux and have never used centos when the "fedora family" are the only distros built and optimized for x86 first anymore and are the most secure is a bit odd...

5 - refer to 3

6 - you implied in your original post

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pratikrawankar

Fatty-Ass Steve ballmer delay the release of next gen console
thats why Game developers had been force to use shitty and old Polish-Textures to games

( xbox release in 2005 and ps3 in 2006 so xbox360 is 7 years old )
remember HALO was first a Premium game for Mac but then Fatty-Steve bought it at very huge price and Steve-jobs goes too much angry and scared bz of this )

where is Directx 12 ?? MS noobs takes 3+years to launch that shitty
Dx 11.1 WTF__________valuable 3+ years gone in gamers life waiting for next major patch and what MS release= just a minor update
fuck off u MS and that Metro shhhhh

only PC gamers rocks

peoples are hating MS for these and many so many reasons alot MS is responsible for this

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