Windows 8 is so Easy Even a 3-Year Old Can Use it

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Strangelove_424

Blaze just threw down some excellent tips for minimizing muscle strain. I'd just like to add a Wacom Tablet option to the suggestion list. I find the pen completely eliminates cramps and the input is extremely natural for Photoshop. I think the modern Wacom tablets also allow touch input in addition to pressure-sensitive pen input. When the tablets originally started coming out I thought they would be aimed at content creation and we would get a quad core, pressure sensitive IPS pen tablet for photo editing, video editing, and graphic design. But the consumer market totally hijacked the idea and limited them to mobile procs, dumbed down OSes, touch-only input, and inevitably created consumption-driven devices.

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whitneymr

Yeah I use with my Wacom pen as long as my I can. But I can only use it for so long before I get sore. So I use the pen for tight lines and then the mouse for drawing bigger masks.
I still wish I had picked up one of the Lenovo W series a couple years back with a Wacom pad in the wrist rest and a Colorite eye built in.

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kevaskous

I don't ever goto the top left, why when i can press win key? lol

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mero909

Keyboard shortcuts are absolutely the most ideal way to use Win8 on a PC.

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kevaskous

Yeah only use a few but they are all I needed to know.

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Cy-Kill

As I saw posted on another site, I have to agree with what the poster wrote, which I am including here:

"I would've found this video more believable had the kid & computer all been in the same shot, not just a shot of the monitor, so I think the father was doing everything."

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DarkMatter

~meanwhile have him write a decent program for windows 8... Don't get me wrong. I am glad that the kid can move through the UI but just because a 3 year old can work an OS doesn't necessarily mean that it is worth my hard earned dollars to strap my desktop with a user interface that is rather demeaning to those that want to tweak said system the way I want. Now I am sure that there will be devices for desktop users that will make windows 8 a dream to use until then I will continue to use Win7 and even XP for some legacy programs that I need to use for that platform .. Linux for every thing else. In fact Microsoft can and should take a cue from the Linux camp. You can install what ever windows manager you want and it will still work with your programs ( granted some more graceful than others ) But it does work and make things more palatable for the user still keeping core functionality unchanged. To simply say throw away your old hardware just adds to the waste we are already dealing with. I am no tree hugger but if I get an old system to post and I can do what ever menial or advanced task on that system then I am going to use it until the CPU burns up!... plus I hate smudges on my screen! although I will give the Windows Surface a go ... when they release the x86 version...That is the only device until Logitech and other manufactures come out with devices that interface with windows with the hardware I already have..

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Paul_Lilly

Counterpoint:

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maxeeemum

Thank you Paul!

This is the real world! This is not a staged video!

Windows 8 will be Microsoft's biggest failure!

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maxeeemum

One more thing! When I installed the Win8 Developer Preview last year this was my reaction too. I had to switch computers and google how to do this and that. The video is very close to my first run in with Windows 8. So good luck M$!!! And nice try you Microsoft faithful sheep!!!

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mls067

did that guy say he was savvy or sweaty? dayum!

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Strangelove_424

How did you do that, Paul? I thought we weren't allowed HTML code in here?

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Justin.Kerr

Yeah it helps when you work for the website :)

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Carbira1

He must have special permissions as I pasted exactly what was in the HTML for his post and when I posted it it was deleted.

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Strangelove_424

When you said magnets, I thought "HTML Magnets" might be a code thing, so I googled it.
http://www.zazzle.com/html+magnets
See, HTML magnets! lol You're probably right about special privileges though. I've seen my HTML inserts deleted before too.

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Carbira1

Looking at the source code he just pasted the embedded link of the video but I just tried that in the previous reply to you so I dono. Most likely magnets.

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livebriand

This is interesting - put in the youtube embed code, and although it's still there if I go back to edit the comment again, it doesn't actually load anything.

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Carbira1

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DarkMatter

I played with the Public beta when it came out, installed some of my legacy aps that I would use ( mostly media stuff ) I can say this... I am not a fan, but I know I am going to have to learn it for the sake of others that can't downgrade to windows 7... Good post . thanks ..

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Jacob Stanbery

*sigh*
Is it so bad to spend maybe 5 minutes of a decades-long life to watch a freaking tutorial video to use something that is newer, faster, and superior? No? Good. Get Windows 8.

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Zedro

Faster? I'm not rocking some antiquated desktop. I've got a Alienwear M17x r3 with a 256gb SSD. My system is plenty fast enough so where is the incentive to get Win8 even if it's gives me only marginally better performance, which is debatable, that I really won't notice?

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dherrick12

+1

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Neufeldt2002

Just because something is newer or faster (benchmarks have shown that it is not that much faster than 7 and actually loses to 7 in some) does not make it superior.

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kevaskous

In everything other than preference and you may be able to make -some- kind of UI argument (To which i don't and won't agree, as I've been using it for a long time now and early adopt ALL Os's) it is superior, end.

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Hilarity

Stop being so retarded and give Win 8 a shot. I'm naturally getting the $15 copy on the 26th, forget the shitty UI, the guts are faster and more secure and that is what counts. It IS an improvement over 7. Put up with it and stop being such a whiny pussy.

Its not THAT bad. Its only disappointing that XP support still hasn't ended and there is still an x86 version of 8. If your old ass Pentium 4 and 2001 printer doesn't work, chuck it and upgrade to 2012.

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Zedro

Stop being so retarded and see it from our point of view. Tablet interface on a non-touch system. Why? Forcing users to make swiping movements with a mouse. Why?

Why not have the option to choose?

Windows 8 is not THAT good.

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davelray

Forcing users to make swiping movements with their mouse? Have you even used Windows 8 Zedro? Because you sure sound like you don't know wtf you are talking about.

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Zedro

I ran the developer preview awhile back. I had to swipe up, with the mouse, get to the log-in screen.

While that one issue might have be fixed since it went to RTM, there are plenty of other touch centric issue that cause a hassle for normal users:

- Hover zones in the corner to access a side bar. Apparently, expanding the "outdated" small, start menu to FULL SCREEN isn't enough space to fit everything you would need to access quickly. You need a sidebar, too. Don't remember having trouble finding shit with a the small start menu. Would be ok on a tablet with limited space... I guess...

- Side and Side scrolling. Last I checked, which was in this article, I was scrolling up and down. Side to Side scrolling is a function of tablets. On iPhone and Android, you swipe side to side to access the page your programs are on. Since Metro is a TABLET interface, design first and foremost to run on TABLETS, M$ copied it to help the OS feel familiar to people that have used a tablet. No good reason for this on a PC. You can argue that spreadsheet use a lot of side to side and file folders do as well but that's a pretty weak defense. Power users navigate our computers up and down. That's why the scroll wheel isn't sideways. (At least until some dumb ass new mouses get released.)

We can also talk about how disconnected Metro and Desktop mode are as far as programs and apps are concerned. Or how your Live account is so woven throughout every part of the OS that it seems like a privacy nightmare. Or that EULA restricts user rights and allows M$ to remove and/or report programs they don't approve (Hello big brother)...

I can go on but why bother? It's beyond your comprehension. Davlary, why don't you come back with a sound argument as to WHY Windows 8 is better? I haven't hear much of anyone other than: "Ohh, It's pretty... Who care if every click-able command is buried under three or more menus... I can just use keyboard shortcuts." Lame.

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davelray

Why do I need to come back with a sound argument? The arguments for Windows 8 are in several reviews and posted by several people that have actually used it. I may not be all that keen on "Modern UI" but I'm not whining about it like the rest. My system, running Windows 8, has not had a program crash or glitch since the day I loaded the RTM build of Pro. It also didn't crash on the consumer preview. All my applications worked just fine. I can move through both Modern UI or drop to the desktop and find my icons there as well, so getting to my programs is not a big deal either. My system cold boots in 9 seconds, compared to nearly a minute under Windows 7. Sleep/Hibernate work flawlessly for a change.

The hover bars you denounce give me fairly quick access to settings when I need them, but are not obtrusive. The Start Screen, with one click, gives me access to every program on the system without having to dig through all the trees like in the old Start Menu. I would like some more capability to customize things in the Modern UI, and arrange the tiles the way I want them, but I imagine those features will come sooner rather than later. Just exactly how is the Modern UI and the Desktop disconnected? One click your on the desktop if that's where you want or need to be. One click your back to the Start Screen. That doesn't feel "disconnected" to me.

The EULA restrictions you refer to only govern the Windows Store. Maybe you should actually read them. It's the same restrictions as those that apply to the Apple App Store, and the Google Android Play store. It's nothing new, and it's not a violation of your privacy. It also does not affect software you installed via other means, like download or CD or DVD or USB etc. But again, I guess it falls down to people feel they are entitled. You do realize you do not OWN any version of Windows. You merely have paid for a license to use it. If you violate any provision under the EULA for Windows they can revoke your right to use it. It's been that way since day one with Windows.

Basically your entire argument against Windows 8 is boiled down to "I want this, I want that." Well, if you want it, go make it. Design your own operating system. Windows belongs to Microsoft. They can do with it as they please. They've chosen to take it in this direction. If you don't like it, don't buy it. Watching all this back and forth between people about an operating system is worse than watching the debates on tv.

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Zedro

“My system, running Windows 8, has not had a program crash or glitch since the day I loaded the RTM build of Pro.”

I have not had a crash or glitch on my Windows 7 system in as long as I can remember. (With the exception of some video games which can be attributed to the game itself or GFX drivers. Nevertheless, the program crashed, not Windows)

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“My system cold boots in 9 seconds, compared to nearly a minute under Windows 7. Sleep/Hibernate work flawlessly for a change.”

First off, you’re not cold booting. Windows saves the kernel in a hibernated state, which it loads from. Not much different than hibernate on Win7.

Secondly, I had a M11x before my M17x. Used hibernate mode on both all the time with no issues. I usually booted within 10-20 seconds. Then again, I can really boot from a cold state in about 30-40 seconds. Maybe it’s because I have a SSD. Maybe it’s because I understand how to care for a system to shutdown meaningless start-up programs to boost system start. And, honestly, are people really in that much of a hurry that saving 20 seconds is really worth it. (On second thought, yes it is because I’d be wasting more time in the start screen)

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“The hover bars you denounce give me fairly quick access to settings when I need them, but are not obtrusive”

But how is it better than the start menu? How is the start menu worse? I had quick access to settings before, why the change it to a full screen?

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“The Start Screen, with one click, gives me access to every program on the system without having to dig through all the trees like in the old Start Menu.”

Ok, the “All Programs” list… I never use it. Your right, it’s cluttered and a mess to use. But how is this better:

http://betanews.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/Metro-All-Apps-page-600x525.png

Well? I’m waiting for an answer?

You could say to organize it better but you can do that with the start menu’s All Programs list too but I digress…

Here’s a wild idea: Use your desktop… LIKE A DESKTOP! Organize your most used programs on the desktop and use folders as necessary to keep down clutter. I click the start menu once in a while to shut down, restart, go to control panel or use the search to find a program not on the desktop. I really don’t use the start menu that often and I am not really upset that it’s going away. I’m piss that something I rarely use it being blown up to a full screen page. And for what? Windows apps? So M$ can start showing me adds? (If they haven’t done so yet, you just wait. They did it on Xbox.)

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“Just exactly how is the Modern UI and the Desktop disconnected?”

http://www.nbcnews.com/technology/technolog/windows-8-has-split-personality-120575

This is only the beginning… You watch.

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“You do realize you do not OWN any version of Windows. You merely have paid for a license to use it. If you violate any provision under the EULA for Windows they can revoke your right to use it. It's been that way since day one with Windows.”

And your… ok with this? This is the problem with EULA from the start; it’s just getting worse and worse. And I don’t give a fuck what it says, M$ has no right to be spying on me, at all. As companies start abusing this, it’s either going to screw over the people or they’re going to start going to the courts again. Just read this to see what I’m talking about… It’s already started:

http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20121022/07340420786/amazon-wipes-customers-account-locks-all-ebooks-says-find-new-retailer-when-she-asks-why.shtml

M$, Amazon, iTunes, Steam or any others like them… Once they got you by the balls, it’s all over.

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“Basically your entire argument against Windows 8 is boiled down to "I want this, I want that." Well, if you want it, go make it.”

Your argument is if you don’t like it, just shut up. Well no, I’m not going to do that. As a consumer, I have a right to voice my opinion wherever I’m welcome and it just so happens, Justin Kerr, who wrote this article, ask us to sound off in the comment section. If people don’t make a noise when bad shit happens, it’s only going to get worse.

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davelray

Incorrect. My argument is if you don't like it, don't buy it. If you are well off using Windows 7 or Linux, continue to do so. As a consumer you have the right to buy or not buy. Everything else you are doing is merely copying/repeating/parroting what a handful of others are saying. Even including a link to an article written over a year ago based on an earlier version beta. A lot has changed since that beta release. My whole main point is this, try it, if you like it, buy it, if you don't like it, don't buy it. Windows 7 will be supported for quite a few more years. All your doing is complaining about how things have changed offering no real constructive criticism, and posting it to a website. Have you emailed, or even written a letter off to Microsoft's suggestion box explaining your displeasure? That's how a consumer really voices their opinion. Instead of posting the same tired cliched rant on MPC's forum. And no, I do not have an issue with Microsoft's EULA. Do you really think Microsoft has the time, money, and resources to "snoop" through everyone's computer? To even suggest such puts you into the conspiracy theorist nutter camp. Get real. Voice your opinion all you want. But don't forget I have a right to voice mine and call bull**** on yours. Don't like it? Tough. Good luck with your anti Windows 8 campaign. That will do about as much good as when my Grandfather rallied against car manufacturers for putting cassette tape players in cars instead of 8 track players.

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Zedro

"All your doing is complaining about how things have changed offering no real constructive criticism..."

I have offer constructive criticism. You choose to ignore it. You also didn’t give a counter argument to any of my points. We’ll see how “tired” my “clichéd rant” really is when Win8 hit general availability.

“Do you really think Microsoft has the time, money, and resources to "snoop" through everyone's computer?”

No, just the ones that get red flagged for not doing it M$ way.

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livebriand

There's no reason for old printers to not work. My school has printers from 1998 (seriously - a few HP Laserjet 1100s) that work with Windows 7 64-bit. Meanwhile, I had a Canon D680 that has no 64-bit drivers. It's no wonder I got a brand OTHER than a Canon when replacing that one... (a Brother actually)

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Justin.Kerr

Compatibility for old printers is pretty good in Windows 8, as long as you stick with 32-bit.

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Neufeldt2002

Hilarity Said: "If your old ass Pentium 4 and 2001 printer doesn't work, chuck it and upgrade to 2012"

Fine, give me your credit card info and I will make sure that all the people that can't afford to upgrade will have new systems.

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kevaskous

If you cannot afford said upgrade, then you're looking at a new OS...why exactly?

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Jacob Stanbery

You, sir, earned my respect.

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hades_2100

My 3 year old found his games on our Windows 7 machine. So?

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Samuel.Aldrich

Ha Ha Ha as a father of a three year old, I can say this three year old is pretty smart and farther ahead of kids his age. A computer prodigy if you will lol.

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Andrew.Hodge

There seems to be a lot of them these days..

PS. Nicee reflecor belt!

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Gezzer

Smarter?
Not really, coached well I'd say. If you can get a child to pay attention and they enjoy what they're doing a child will follow your directions pretty well. Older people have a tendency to overthink things which causes them to become confused easier. Pretty simple actually.

As for what he did, if you really think about it, it wasn't all that much. He went from the desktop to a start area, started a weather app, changed the size of the app, opened a time app, maximized an already running program, closed the weather app, the time app, the running program, and then went back to the desktop. Being coached the whole time.

Now ask yourself how much did he move the mouse. How many steps did he take? How would that compare to Win7? Overall I'd say this video proved that using Win8 with a mouse is a bit less efficient then Win7. Now compare that to what I just had to do with my Steam install of Borderlands 2 because it had a corrupted file.

I had to navigate to My Documents\My Games\Borderlands 2\WillowGame and save to desktop the GameSave folder located there. Then I had to use the regedit program to delete all keys related to Borderlands 2. Then I had to delete the Steam install and redownload it. Once done I had to start the game the quit out at a certain point. Navigate back to the WillowGame folder. Find the save files in the one on the desktop. Then I had to move over only the save files and not the corrupted profile file to it. Done.
How would I of done that using the Win8 Start Screen and using primarily only a mouse?

The really funny thing is I do things like that a lot, what with modding, troubleshooting, and personalizing my Win7. It's not that Win8 and it's default UI is bad. When I saw that Logitech had a touch controller I started considering it and Win8 for my bedroom HTPC. But it doesn't take a lot of brains to see that Win8 is touch centric.

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dherrick12

Windows explorer still exists in the windows 8 desktop (an improved version i might add), so ur right ur task could not be done using the windows 8 start screen, it would be done in the desktop exactly like windows 7. You might have to go back to the start screen to open applicaitons (unless you make desktop shortcuts, pin them to taskbar, or navigate to them in windows explorer) but this takes no more time then opening them from the start menu.

I see no valid logic in your argument.

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Zedro

"...so ur right ur task could not be done using the windows 8 start screen..."

“I see no valid logic in your argument.”

The logic is that while we don't live in the start menu, it's sometimes, to some people, easier to quickly get in and out when we do use it. It is for me.

Power users live on the desktop and in explorer. Why take something we use sparingly, like the start menu, and make it full screen and require our full attention to do simple tasks? Where is the logic in that?

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Drew7

I think this video is great. I'm 36 and have been a user of Windows since Windows 98, currently a Windows 7 64-Bit user. At any rate, I really wasn't too pleased with what I've heard thus far regarding Windows 8, but after seeing this little guy handle it with ease... It seems rather cool! Very smart on your behalf, MaximumPC, for posting this video ;)

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Neufeldt2002

I'll insert the standard Metro is a Fisher Price interface hence a three year old can use it. LOL

In all seriousness though, if you actually watch how much movement is required to do the various things in Metro it is actually not very good for a desktop. To the average person with NO mobility problems it will be fine unless you are lazy, and lets face it, most are. If you have mobility problems, Metro (ie. touch interface) is work compared to any other version of Windows. Yes Metro works with a keyboard and mouse, but not that well, even the three year old was having issues pulling up the start screen (at least that is what it seemed like to me). Say what you will, but I have those mobility issues and until things are changed I have to say Metro is not that great.

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davelray

It works just fine with a keyboard and mouse. Take about fifteen minutes and actually use it. I make no more movement than I did before. Less probably since I don't have to go searching through different trees in the old Start Menu to find what I'm looking for. But ultimately, here's the real question. If you don't want it, and don't need it, why the heck are you complaining about it? I don't think Billy Gates is going to show up at your doorstep and put a gun to your head to make you use it.

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Zedro

Because, we, as PC users, don't like the way M$ is going with there business model. You could say that's none of our business but as consumer of a product, it is our business.

I use windows as a platform to run other programs. That's it. Nothing more, nothing less. I don't want apps from M$. I don't want a tablet interface. I don't want a crippled desktop mode that makes me feel like I'm being punished for not using the OS the way M$ wants me to.

I do not want Windows to become like OSX. But that's where they are heading and I bet that if enough regular users give them hell for doing it, Windows 9, 10 and 11 won't be so bad.

Otherwise, Windows will be no better than any tablet. The trend they are going to is, eventually, completely remove the desktop, force all developers to use there app store (for 30% of the profits), and restrict all customization to whatever limited options they decide to give you.

If that day comes, I hope you enjoy your walled garden. As for me, I'll never upgrade Windows ever again

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davelray

And if that's your decision, fantastic! Great to have choices. Not everyone feels the same as you though. Microsoft is going in a new direction with their operating system, let's see where it takes them. Maybe they will reverse course, maybe they will change to a new direction. They haven't restricted customization. They've left it for other companies to provide the methods. Do you really need Microsoft to hand you everything on a silver platter? Stardock and other companies are already ramping up to give customization options. As for the other argument about them not providing dvd and/or blu ray playback built in, why should they? You can buy perfectly good softare that accomplishes that goal. There are even other methods for free. It's akin to buying a car. If I don't like the stereo system, or the tires and rims, I can go buy what I like and slap it on/in. I certainly don't expect Ford or Chevy etc. to offer those things. Why should you expect Micrsoft to offer such? The only walled garden for Apple or Micrsoft is their ARM platforms. OSX on the Mac PC does not disallow you from installing software via other means. And I do not seem them ever removing that capability. Same for Windows on the PC. And I imagine if either did wall it in, they'd get smacked by the DoJ fairly quickly.

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Zedro

"Do you really need Microsoft to hand you everything on a silver platter?"

No. I just prefered it if they didn't remove something that was already there... Like the start menu... and replace it to something worse.

It was already there. Why remove it? Why not have a nice little button that say "Use Classic Start Menu". Because they would rather force there Metro shit on us. I should not have to get thrid party software to put back what was already in. In this way, Windows 8 feels like a downgrade.

"The only walled garden for Apple or Micrsoft is their ARM platforms."

"And I imagine if either did wall it in, they'd get smacked by the DoJ fairly quickly."

For now, but don't think for a second that both of those companies would love to lock the gates and force developers and publishers to pay a toll to use there OS. This is just laying the groundwork. I also never understood why the monopolistic practices of Apple and the iPhone were legal in the first place. Once they expand that to the PC, it's over.

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jason2393

I was using Windows 95 when I was 3 without coaching. Some of the games I was playing required going into DOS mode to get to. I think Windows 8 is way easier to use if you are on a touch interface, but a bit ridiculous on most of the computers in service today. The fact that the Metro apps require you to choose between two or three default sizes makes them useless to me. I am used to having 3-4 windows open and visible at all times, so I can easily transfer data and text from one to another. I'm using Windows 8 right now, and my Metro experience is about 1 second per day, just clicking the Desktop square to get to work.

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