Windows 8 Selling Far Below Expectations, But Don’t Count It Out Just Yet

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maxeeemum

More proof!

http://www.extremetech.com/computing/140839-windows-8-sales-are-slow-going-says-newegg

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RUSENSITIVESWEETNESS

Why push a new OS when we don't need a new OS? Windows 7 isn't mature enough to need replacement. Thinking they can make the world upgrade whenever they want is . . . fucking stupid. The improvements aren't there, unless you have one of those toy computers with a touch screen.

Why force a consumer-manipulating OS on the business world? Did they think businesses want their employees jacking with Facebook, Twitter, Pinterest, and photo sharing? Windows 8 is designed to herd consumers into the media meat grinder and separate idiots from their money. Businesses don't need all that fluff and tripe.

You ass clowns can spin and spit all you want, but I doubt it's going to help sales of an OS no one needs or wants.

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MarioJP

They should bring the windows store to windows 7. Its one of the reason i upgraded. Though you are not being forced to upgrade. Just don't upgrade simple as that.

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big_montana

Has anyone stopped to think that Windows 8 sales are slow due to the fact that there is a glut of unsold Windows 7 computers in inventory? Windows 7 has no comparable problem with Windows Vista inventory during it's launch. If you look at over all numbers, European sales of of computers were up 7.8% over the previous year sales, and 25% of those machines shipped with Win 8, while Win 7 was only installed on 17% of machines sold during it's laucnh period. Unlike the US there is not a glut of unsold Win 7 machines in inventory in Europe affecting sales. It seems only Americans fear Windows 8.

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pastorbob

To quote maxeeemum "You M$ employees/app developers/fanboys can say what whatever you will but Windows 8 isn't going to be a big seller."

You are probably right in that Windows 8 won't become a big seller. But the fact of the matter is it will have nothing to do with ease of use or the speed and power. Truth be told, I don't understand why you haters are so adamant in your dislike. I have yet to see any logical explanations with points and facts about why you think it is so bad. "It's ugly." "It sucks." "They took away the Start Menu" "Waaaaah!"

You asked the question yourself, but I'll rephrase it, "Are you all just simple minded?"

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Biceps

I think that the pros are a bit concerned, too, Pastorbob. http://news.cnet.com/8301-1001_3-57551670-92/design-guru-nielsen-windows-8-ui-smothers-usability/

Windows 8 was supposed to fight Apple toe-to-toe on the touchscreen, regardless of the size of the touchscreen. Say what you want about Apple, but the one thing they are good at is usability. People don't face 'discoverability' problems or have to deal with 'hidden features' on the iphone or on a Mac. And I will bet you that when Mac comes out with a PC OS that integrates touch and the iPhone interface, they will make it seamless and beautiful, and it will make M$ Windows 8 interface look like a kindergardener's class project.

If you are going to change your design completely, then having a great design to replace it with is key. From what I have seen, Windows 8 doesn't have a killer design - it is meh at best, and frustrating and confusing at worst.

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big_montana

"People don't face 'discoverability' problems or have to deal with 'hidden features' on the iphone or on a Mac."

You do not have to support Apple products in an enterprise environment I see, as I get quite a few questions such as how do I change my password, or how do I turn on WiFi, or how do I disable roaming or data. Trust me Win 8 has no more hidden features than any other OS around, as Win 8's are actually easier to find. All you need do is type the name of whatever it is you are looking for and it will popup, try that with iOS, OSx or Android. Does not work of any of those, but with Win 8 you can at least find it easy enough. So quit parroting what those who have not used Win 8 are saying as to why they do not like it

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Pulagatha

It's the JIGSAW interface of Windows 8. It is awful. Well, this part is in metro, that isn't. FULL SCREEN APPS. THE GOD AWFUL START SCREEN. It's like someone took the worst parts of a mobile operating system and stuck them on a desktop counterpart. Not to mention, the in-system advertising. Jesus... That is awful. A lot of these metro apps should be only for a mobile device. A lot of people who use Windows 7, and love it, have desktops. They want a desktop equivalent. NOT THE METRO MOBILE VERSION. Did Microsoft think no one was going to notice that they just wrote one version of quintessential programs and tried to tailor it to desktop computers? Is Microsoft just trying to be cheap? I should be paid for how many times I've complained about every thing that is wrong with Windows 8. Are the developers too out of touch? Out of touch for a touchscreen UI... There is a great joke there. The App Changer Window. The WiFi Window. They are coded to look like Metro on the desktop. WTF?

Microsoft needs to focus on what is essential. Make desktop equivalents to the new emerging apps that are becoming essential. Messaging. Notifications. Contacts. SEPARATE METRO FROM WINDOWS ALL TOGETHER. MAKE A DESKTOP APP FOR THEIR STORE. THE END.

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MarioJP

That does not make any sense. There are Applications in the store that will point you to download from the web. I really don't see whats the big deal. This is 2012 not 2001 man you guys are severely rooted in the past. Don't let the world pass you by on the way out.

I was at the Mall recently. The ATT rep was telling me that Win8 phones are being asked and it is the first attempt to have it seamless between desktop and phone.

Secondly, the desktop is there. Like i said. I really don't see what's the big deal. People are blowing this out of hand. Go back to XP lol.

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Pulagatha

You haven't made any coherent point or any statement that is anything, but derogatory. Nothing you have said has been informative or constructive not even for Microsoft. People are going to adapt to IOS, if someone doesn't release a more coherent platform. Is that what you want? More people using Apple? If you have any complaints it would be better to speak up now.

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MarioJP

So you are suggestion I should complain about Windows 8 when in fact i am enjoying and loving it. You people have no valid reasons. Only complaining is the people on this thread. How's that a complaint for ya lol.

Windows 8 is not a Vista. That i can tell you. People are complaining about the UI. Really?? Very laughable at that. As for the Apps. I am glad you can now have Apps on the PC. Apple is doing it Why not MS. Be foolish to ignore where computing is going in the future. I accept change and i accept Windows 8 :)

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Neufeldt2002

Just for your information another word for "apps" is application, another word for application is programme or program depending on where you are from in the English speaking world. Microsoft and PC's in general have had programmes or "apps" since the creation of computers as that is what they are designed and used for. Seems silly to use "apps" as a reason to upgrade. If you are referring to being able to use mobile "apps" on the desktop, again, I see that as a silly reason to upgrade. If you want to believe that the new interface is the reason to upgrade, fine, but at least understand that not everyone will share your belief. I prefer having a clean desktop with a picture of my choosing when I am not doing things to look at. I hate clutter and the new UI is nothing but clutter and not very nice to look at.

Your always posting behind people that don't like Win 8 with your pro view is no better and lacks the same things you complain about.

If you so desire to post after this, go ahead as I won't even bother reading it, so you can save your breath so to speak.

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MarioJP

then don't upgrade lol

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MrGeek

Even after reading and hearing all the comments of the NO START issue... I decided that $39.99 was a very good deal!

Installation went without a hitch.

And when it booted (blazing fast btw) I realized why the NO START... because I was looking at the start menu in the form of tiles on my screen! DUH! Genius! And is customizable to so I got rid of what I don't use... kept what I like, added a few more as I re installed my other programs (Steam, Skyrim, Razer Game Booster, DCS, A-10C Warthog, ISPQ, Yahoo Messenger, CCLEANER... and others) and is perfect! Nostalgic for desktop? Click the desktop tile and you are back to your archaic Windows 7 desktop with all those icons there! BUT WAIT.... put mouse cursor on the lower left where START used to be... and START desktop icon shows, so you can click and back to START!

I freaking love it!

Did some benchmarks and for the most part is faster... period... end of story!

But there will always be Microsoft haters out there... whatever...

I personally think Windows 8 is a stroke of genius... no issues even with updates...

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Engelsstaub

Alright, that's about enough.

I'm going to have to ask you to take it down a notch. You're blatantly just going out of your way to upset the "tech-savvy enthusiasts" by telling them you can easily locate the Windows key.

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maxeeemum

Meh! Another I have no problem! Are you all just stupid! It works great for me! Just do this and this! You must be old! My 76 year old mother has no problem getting to her e-mail! You're just a hater! ETC!

Yes enough!

You M$ employees/app developers/fanboys can say what whatever you will but Windows 8 isn't going to be a big seller.

LOL! Just face the facts!

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maxeeemum

No not really! I use windows for many things! I also use linux for many things! Yes Linux Mint is my current favorite. I haven't said much bad about Win 7. No problem for the most part.

I started commenting on Windows 8 right after the DP.

I can see how you would think that!

Personally I will never use anything Apple!

No problem with you!

Have a nice day!

And Windows 8 sucks! But I think you already know that! LOL!

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savage4naves

Windows 8 is a fantastic O.S. with new and improved features from Windows 7. There will always be haters and those clinging to the last O.S. very much like people who have been clinging to Windows XP.

Goodbye Windows 7.

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lordfirefox

Change your user interface.
Alienate 90% of your user base.
Complain about low sales.

Software development isn't what it used to be.

By the way the flagging PC sales is caused by more people building their own machines instead of buying off-the-shelf.

I bet if you checked PC component sales you'd find they're on the up.

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TommM

For me, it's not about the functionality, it's a customer service "morality" issue.

I tried the pre-release of Win 8 and when that garish Metro screen popped up I nearly puked. I run an ultra-clean desktop and really dislike clutter. That big button/ribbon stuff is for kids who enjoy pointing at pictures. Nevertheless, I gave it a good months try and ultimately just didn't see the point.

So I won't be upgrading to Win 8 because MS put the smack down on consumers with, "we know what's right, you don't - this is the new OS, you're going to buy it and you're going to like it." Had consumers been given an option to install with either the Metro or the old desktop/Aero setup, you would have heard a fraction of the complaining. And MS was well aware of the dislike of the Metro UI from it's pre-release testors. They just chose to ignore those complaints and cram it down our throats anyway.

So screw 'em... I'm a proponent of "the customer's always right," rule of sales. MS is reaping (or not reaping in this case) of what they've sewn with their arrogance.

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Cregan89

Well as some one who is actually very interested in a Windows 8 device, the reason I haven't bought one yet is because all of the devices are severely underwhelming, and the few devices that I do find interesting (Asus Taichi, MS Surface Pro) are both unavailable for purchase and obscenely priced.

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Eoraptor

Don't count it out? that would mean I'd have had to have counted it in in the first place

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pastorbob

When I ran the Consumer Review version I was totally negative about Windows 8. But once I took the time to really give it a try and organize my system, my opinion changed dramatically. I did a clean install with the upgrade version and in no time was up and running. I get my work done more quickly and efficiently with Windows 8 than I ever did with Windows 7. I don't find that the Windows 8 Start Screen gets in the way. If you are running desktop applications I suppose one might say it gets in the way. But a quick workaround is to pin a shortcut for your desired app onto the taskbar. Then it's one click and you are up and running. When I want to run Netflix all I have to do is click one button on the Start Screen and it's up and ready to use. More clicks and typing needed with Windows 7.

Also the Windows key allows you to pull the Start screen up or take you to the desktop. Windows key shortcuts give you access to any number of commonly used commands. And I can do many things that with Windows 7 required a third party app.

I can't speak about games since I don't play them. But as far as not being able to run my main applications I have no trouble running everything I ran under Windows 7. My main applications are every bit as complex and intensive as AutoCAD, Visual Studio or "you name it". They run just fine and I get a lot of work done with them.

Finally, I do not own a tablet or Smart Phone and I don't have any touch screen devices of any type. Strictly mouse and keyboard all of the way. I have found absolutely no reason to add the Start Menu back in by any means. Anything I could do with it I can now do without it, and usually more quickly.

I could go on but the gist of it is I have found it much easier to accomplish various work tasks with Windows 8 and the Windows 8 Start screen. Most things I do are reduced to a couple of keystrokes or mouse clicks (with the obvious exception of inputting text) where in Windows 7 it took more steps and typing to accomplish the same task.

The bottom line is people's resistance to change and their lack of desire to invest any time in learning something new.

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abowlofsoda

Once you add the Start menu back on Windows8 with Stardock8 (a simple install like any program would, no hacks) then what you have is a more efficient, faster, buttery smooth, more featured Windows7.
Once you have that start menu back, EVERYTHING IS BACK TO THE WAY IT WAS, and you get all the new additions. You can even disable all the hot corners/charms.

Stardock8 boots me directly to desktop and I haven't even seen the Metro interface in a couple weeks. Unless I hit the Windows key, its not 'in the way'.

If you have newer hardware- its a no brainer for the $40 upgrade price (which by the way is really just a full version of windows, it doesn't check if you have a prior Windows and it has its own CD key).

Don't listen all these propaganda monkeys that just want a company to fail because they didn't like it get to you.
I just don't get why people these days spend so much energy on things they DONT LIKE. Boggles the mind.

I haven't lost any productivity in the last 3 weeks. I am a graphic artist using the Adobe suite without issue. My system has never ran smoother and I don't have to do any rerouting to do the things I've done before. Everything is the same as it was, except I don't have Aero anymore (which I got used to, its an aquired taste for that look. I don't miss Aero anymore).

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HKUSPC40

It's not a matter of wanting to see a company fail... It's a matter of what I'm getting for my money. A $40 Os that requires a $5 band aid to what benefit? Oh I can see pictures and facebook more easily... I'm not sold. Money is tight and I haven't seen enough benefits.

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pastorbob

Well said! And if you have multiple monitors with matching resolutions, the new Panoramic view desktop themes are awesome.

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Ledoubleu

As I've posted before, my 76 Y/O mother loves the fact that she can easily find her email and calendar. No more hunting through the desktop to find the right icon! Family tech supporters you know what I'm saying!
I use Win7 at home for my productivity but believe me W8 is a fantastic consumer product.

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jth

Meh. I like W8 just fine. I also liked Vista just fine, just like how I like W7 and liked XP. Some things are a little better on W8 and you pretty much never have to deal with the Metro overlay if you don't want to. Makes total sense that people wouldn't upgrade if only for the fact they're not missing much. I'd still recommend W8 on a new machine but if you have W7 and like it you're fine where you're at if you wanna stay.

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znod

Been using 8 for awhile now on a test machine. I have confirmed my original impression. If one wants a "productivity" machine, then go 7. Of course, you can do the same things with 8 as with 7, but the new interface never does more than get in the way. It is very hohum in general. For a tablet, well, then maybe Metro is OK. I won't be finding out. Actually, I want to down tone the word "productivity" and say that if one simply wants an efficient-to-use machine and is not interested in fluff, then Win7 is the play.

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maxeeemum

"Windows 8 Selling Far Below Expectations" that's for sure. Ballmer can play used car salesman all he wants but Windows 8 could be going into a death spiral soon. Just check out the reviews at Newegg. If that doesn't tell you something go to Amazon or Best Buy and check out the reviews. Whenever I buy something I check reviews. Win8 looks like it's DOA. Got M$ stock it may be time to sell.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832416550

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832416562

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B.A.Frayd

There is a reason that Steven Sinofsky is no longer employed at Microshaft, and it is not a coincidence that he "quit" right after 8 was released.

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whitneymr

Can they port KDE to PC's? Seems that would fix a lot of issues.

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HKUSPC40

My friends all rave about tablets and their latest smartphones, etc. but not a single one of them does anything productive with these things. They are simply toys and Windows 8 is just a toy. Tell me how it improves my ability to do my work. You know the original intent of the PC? You can not run AutoCAD, Visual Studio, Adobe's Master Suite, FEA software, etc. on a tablet and Windows 8 does nothing to improve the use of any of these programs. Therefore I feel no need to purchase Windows 8.

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AndroRabbit

For me, the problem with 8 is that 7 does what I want. I tried 8. It didn't add anything that was missing in 7. Maybe it added features but one person's feature is another person's thing they don't/didn't need. There's a lot of that to be sure. But I don't need any of it.

What I need is to get work done, do specific tasks, use specific apps, and so on. 7 does this. 8 might, but to really find out, I'd have to wipe the comp and start over installing stuff -why bother when 7 works fine?

People used to stand in line for Windows because every version sucked and the new one coming out promised something greater that worked better and faster in a more user-friendly way. And most of the time, the promises were true. But now, the product is mature. 7 is probably the best version of Windows ever. It has relatively few problems. So along comes 8 which is honestly barely more than a service pack, and who is surprised there are no lines? This is NOT like the leap from Windows 3.1 to Windows 95. It's not even like the jump from 95 to 98. It's more like the blip from 98 to ME. It's not a revolution as much as it's just a revision. Oh and by the way, there's this Metro thing and we hid stuff you knew how to use and took away the same UI features we introduced in Win95. Yeah. I am going to line up for this new Windows. Sure I will.

In the last week, I've ordered three new Android tablets. They're going to do most of what I need to do in terms of apps and work, and none of it is Microsoft or Apple. A "big hardware" OS like Windows or OSX is just not essential any more. The future belongs to hardware that fits in a shirt pocket.

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sammyd253

I agree with your reasons for sticking with 7, but in terms of Windows 8 being "barely more than a service pack", I have to disagree. The end result doesn't look much different (with the exception of the Metro UI), but there's a lot of underlying coding changes going on here, for example, the new Windows runtime.

I use 8, but love 7 as well. I personally would like to have a desktop only version of 8, but it is what it is for now. Will be very curious to see where MS goes from here...

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Gezzer

I'm with you on this one, it's not that I hate Win8 or it's "new and improved" UI, it's the fact I don't need it because Win7 does everything I want. As well if I really have to learn a new way to use my OS as might as well go with a linux distro. It's free after all.

As for the new UI I look at it this way. If Microsoft had decided it wanted to unify the original Xbox with XP and so it released Windows MCE so that the media interface was the default and told everyone it was the new UI going forward a lot of people would of been very unhappy. So they did the smart thing, MCE was an add-on and the user could decide which UI would be the default.
IMHO they should of done the same thing with Win8. Give us the choice to run whichever UI we want by default. Then in Win9 make the new UI the default choice. I'm sure if they had done that all most everyone would of upgraded, well just because. We all would of played around with the new UI because we'd get a chance to play Angry Birds. Get some what comfortable and Win9 having it as a default wouldn't be such a shock.
As it is they jumped the gun, and tried to force the change on us users. Some people don't have a problem with changing for change's sake, and that's cool. But some people, myself included, want to know how changing will benefit us before we give it a go. I really don't see a major benefit to be totally honest, so I'm sticking with Win7.

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whitneymr

+1

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Blues22475

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If anything, I've come to hate Windows 8 less, but not enough to make me want to go out and buy it.

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RUSENSITIVESWEETNESS

Best selling. It's two words. All the time.

Maybe you're just disoriented from the spin cycle....

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Roll Tide

"Windows 8 may still ultimately become the bestselling version of Windows, it just doesn’t have consumers lining up at Best Buy en masse"

I dont think any product could get people to line up en masse at Best
Buy... anymore.

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ScytheNoire

Windows 8 is a great tablet or smartphone OS, but a horrible desktop OS. I own a Nokia 920, loving Windows Phone 8, great design. I also like it on the Windows 8 tablet I played with. But it's not a good design for the traditional desktop. They should of allowed the option to use an old interface design rather than the Metro interface (or whatever they want to call it now). It's too big of a change and just isn't optimized for the desktop user. As a network admin, employees would flip out if they suddenly had to use this. There is a good reason why companies are avoiding it like the plague.

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Microtosh

I have tried Windows 8 at Best Buy and looks like I may switch. I have used Apple products for a long time now and it finally looks like Microsoft has seen the light and is doing things more like Apple. I'll have to sell my iPad, Mac Book and iPhone eventually but we'll see. I look forward to moving over. First I'll get a tablet then if I like it a Windows Phone 8. They look cool too! I think Windows 8 will be a big hit.

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Bullwinkle J Moose

You sound so schmart

Tell me, who owns more stock in Apple than Bill Gates?

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davelray

Several people. Prior to death, Jobs had 5.5 million. Next in line was Arthur Levinson, Bertrand Serlet, Robert Mansfield, Daniel Riccio, then Eduardo Cue. I doubt Bill Gates owns much if any direct stock, (most likely through various funds and investment portfolios,) if any voting shares at all. Now if you are referring to the $150 million in shares that Microsoft bought in 1997, that was sold back to Apple years later at a profit.

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DoctorX

hahahahahha!

no.... it isnt about mobile... never was.. it was about people not liking metro in windows 8 from since the DP version last year. The reason tablets taking hold because they already had phones running ios and android. They did not want a mobile os on their pc.

Plus Microsoft did not learn their lesson with Vista. If you ignore your customers, you will pay and they will not buy your product. MS said fuck you and we will do what we want regardless what our customers want.

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Whitechip

You make Vista sound like it doesn't work... It's working fine.

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Blues22475

It works...but it was garbage. Resource hog, constant issues on customer's machines. Over-bearing UAC control. Applications failed to install properly on it because UAC. Registry corruption.

As a matter of fact, 2nd year working at the company first quarter I saw nothing but Windows Vista issues. So yeah, people can defend it, people can burn it. As far as I am concerned, it's garbage.

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DoctorX

didnt work worth a shit for me... my favorite was registry corruption almost every time i rebooted... it was interesting trying to patch... and this bug was reproducible on several systems. so yes, it is a POS.

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kevaskous

500 pcs I had on Vista with no issue. Perhaps instead of being a smart ass you'd be a smart tech and deploy what is compatible with the OS being deployed. Just a tip, or ya'know, you can continue to plug fingers in your ear and scream at the top of your lungs :D.

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Andrew.Hodge

Two words: Elitist Assholes.

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