Windows 8 Sales Reach 100 Million Licenses, Should Microsoft Reverse Course?

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pastorbob

+1

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nHeroGo

Yes.
In fact, they should revert to XP immediatly.
~watch WebGuyFixingCars

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DoctorX

xp sucked and was unstable as hell.. no thanks.

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FireGarden

No. As good as Windows XP was - it is now outdated.

Windows 8 is fine - they just have to have two versions - one for desktops and laptops, that uses the standard desktop environment and eschews the Metro interface. And the other for tablets and phones that is based around Metro. If they are smart, they could easily have an all in one - which they have done - but just give the user the option of which environment they want.

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TommM

I'd love to see a Windows 8 adoption figure that doesn't include new gear where you're forced to use it (or take it home and install Win 7).

I want to see how many people actually cut a check for the Windows 8 license ALL BY ITSELF to install on their current computer. I'd bet it's less than half of that 100 million figure they're tossing out now.

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zsargent

Between home, family, and friends, I'm responsible for about 50 PC's personally. When Win 7 hit the shelves, I had been using a beta of it for months. I loved it, and I moved as many of those 50 PC's to it as quickly as I could. (I had avoided Vista except on a few of them, like my Tablet PC.)

For Win 8 ... I've bought exactly ONE copy.

Now, that's a small sample set, but I work in technology. I know I'm not an isolated case. If I'm not recommending it at home, I'm sure as heck not recommending it to customers. As a "technology influencer" for many people and companies, I'm definitely slowing the adoption rate. And many other "influencers" on these forums are doing the same.

This is what the WinTel Cartel doesn't understand about Maximum PC people. We are not just some fringe use cases. You can't say, "Ohhh, look at the games, they won't be happy." Many of us make tech decisions for other people for a living ... you anger us at your peril.

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FireGarden

You're exactly right. What baffles me is, you'd think the tech/Maximum PC crowd would be the first people Microsoft would consult or listen to regarding a new OS?! But instead, they bury their head in the sand and maybe consult a few non-technical focus groups. Windows 8 under the hood is actually pretty good - but the implementation and direction are poor.

I hope Windows Blue finally shows they are listening. We'll find out in time!

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lindethier

Hasn't Microsoft moved away from listening to their users for feedback and instead are going the more Apple route of "you don't know what you want, we will make the choices for you"?

I'm certain many of those users that had a chance to see Metro during the release preview told Microsoft that this would be a terrible idea.

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DoctorX

exactly... underneath, win8 is awesome. Get rid of the pos ui and go back to traditional ui. Do not mistake this as I love linux and hate windows thing. Ubuntu with unity and gnome 3 fell down the same hole thinking they knew better than the users what the ui should do. For ubuntu, derivatives sprung up everywhere. Kubuntu which was floundering is one of the most popular distros. Gnome just gave everyone the bird and said they were going to do what they thought best regardless of all the screams to the contrary. Well, guess what, kubuntu and xubuntu markets jumped... gnome 2 was forked. gnome3 forked to cinnamon. Gnome use to be the dominant distro.. now noone wants them.

Why do i say this? listen to your users. KDE has a new fangled ui, but you dont have to use it. YOu can change it back to classic with a few mouse clicks... In fact most of the next gen ui stuff is turned off unless you want it. This is how windows 8 should have been done (and gnome for that matter).

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Engelsstaub

You don't have to use Unity in Ubuntu or Gnome 3 in any Linux distro. Linux is Linux.

I don't understand why some Linux users cry about such things. It makes them look like completely inept dildos and whiners while they pretend they are advanced users. I can boot into one of three different UI environments on my Ubuntu computer right now. Or I could easily install KDE or XFCE or whatever. Ubuntu doesn't HAVE to listen to their users about the UI; Linux users should be smart enough to know how to tweak their free OS. Jesus, I can sudo apt-get whateverthefuckuiiwant. I'm not even that proficient in Terminal. Ubuntu users can just open the app store and do it the easy way.

It's ridiculous. I wonder if the same crybabies are the ones that bash users of other OSes or run their traps on the net about how Mac users are all "stupid" and require a dumbed-down experience? (Ironic when they get all teared up because some Linux distributor doesn't owe them anything and tries to be innovative with their free OS.) Same jaggoffs that give Windows users crap for not wanting to use an OS that doesn't support the software they want to run?

...IME it mostly is just such people: they tell everyone else they are stupid and what to like and buy while at the same time they can't handle their own experience without crying. Malcontent little rattle-pounding turds with feelings of entitlement and superiority are at the same time the least competent but have the biggest cry-holes.

Edit: this wasn't meant to be directed at you specifically. Your comment just got me thinking and ranting about it.

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Peanut Fox

Cinnamon is damn gorgeous.

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FireGarden

I only got 8 because I got it for $15. I wouldn't pay more than that, and I dual boot it with Windows 7 - which is still my main OS.

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Exarkun1138

I was Windows 8 on my Laptop (non-touch) and my Main Desktop at my house for about 5 months, and just recently, went back to Windows 7. Windows 8 does have some nice features, but all-in-all, Windows 7 is the better OS, especially for non-touch systems and traditional Desktop computers.

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Granite

Now, see...this is the kind of thing that makes me scratch my head.

Win8 is, essentially, an updated Win7 with the modern ui added to it. You would rather use a lesser quality version of Win7 than have to endure the minimal need to deal with the tiled interface? I mean, yeah...you have to hit a button or click a tile to move away from the modern ui to where you can do all the things you do with Win7...but that one simple action bugs you so much, you'll forgo all the improvements you get with Win8.

It really doesn't make a lot of sense.

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Exarkun1138

And just so you understand, I don't hate Win 8. I just have had too many critical issues that keep me from using it.

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Exarkun1138

That wasn't the only reason I went back. Win 8 stopped working with 3 of my most used programs for work on my Laptop, AND would drop WiFi connectivity out of the blue, and it would take a complete power down/reboot to get it back, sometimes, and others it took a complete power down MULTIPLE TIMES to get WiFi in Win 8 to work again. Never happened with Win 7, EVER!

On my desktop at home, some games acted wonky or didn't install at all, and the same work programs I use on my laptop also stopped working on my home desktop.

I'm in IT so I know my way around Windows, and NONE of these problems ever occurred with Win 7. Win 7 works with everything I use, new AND old, with no issues. When an OS keeps me from using programs I have used on a previous OS, for no apparent reason, that's enough to get me to not use it.

Lastly, I missed Aero, the Start Button/Menu, and felt if I have to use 3rd party apps to get those back, what's the point, especially with the issues I spoke of above?!? I gave Win 8 a chance. 5 months is not a short amount of time to work with an OS. I gave Vista 3 days before going back to XP. I went to Win 7 and stuck with it for 3 years, and will continue to for the time being.

Win 8 does have some very nice features, but they aren't nice enough to justify the issues above, or the look and feel that makes Win 7 so damned cool! Win 7 is the best OS MS has made, period.....that's MY opinion, and I'm sticking with it.....and Win 7.

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Granite

Well, I'm no IT guy...just a pretty savvy user and computer builder. But I've never had any of the problems you've experienced. None of them. Everything I've had installed before...and installed since...getting Win8 has worked. Period. And, I've NEVER had any network connectivity problems. None.

Maybe the problem isn't Win8, but the things you are trying to do with it. Anyway, perhaps it's best you do stay with the inferior Win7. Kind of like those people who won't give up XP because their old programs won't work with Win7.

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Blues22475

Had a friend of mine who bought a new new laptop with Windows 8. She says she couldn't get the wireless to work properly either...out of the box (and she knows how to connect to Wi-Fi).

Had a buddy of mine get a new laptop with Windows 8 on it and he can't get some of his games to work. He has not done anything special, and he used the pre-set configuration (he's not computer stupid either).

Had a superior of mine test out Windows 8. He was able to get it to Blue Screen (without trying very much), and during the demo he was able to get the UI to bug out without even trying (and not purposely).

So, tell me again how Windows 8 is superior? Don't get me wrong, I don't have a problem with Windows 8 now, but I just think the UI is horrible (under the hood it's awesome).

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PhilGrocholl

My mother just bought a laptop with Windows 8 in it, and she too, has internet connectivity issues. It's the only computer in the house that does that, while the others are still running just fine. Running along fine, then, boom, no internet. And she's only had that computer for about a week.

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PCWolf

Considering how big of a FAIL Windows 8 has been, makes me wonder why so many at Maximum PC think it's so Great. One MPC Employee in particular, "Alex Castle" (Who pushes Windows 8 harder than Microsoft does), saying "Don't Install a Replacement Start Button & get used to the New Start Screen". I can understand why "Closet Mac fanboys"
love the New Start Screen, But I don't & I never will. It's IN YOUR FACE nature is what irks me the most. I only use the old Start Button when I need to browse & make a Shortcut on my Desktop. I don't want it in my face all the time. Nor do I want to see it every time I boot my Computer.

Again, Being able to Pause File Transfers & a slightly decreased boot time does not make Windows 8 worth it for me. Windows 8 offers me nothing I need at this time. If you like Windows 8, then enjoy it in silence & stop acting like Mac Users & trying to convert everyone else with your lame "Afraid of change" rhetoric.

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DeltaFIVEengineer

Why would anyone who's a true Mac user like the start screen? I wouldn't use OSX if there was a start screen and I'm sure Apple knows that it hinders productivity so they're not going to add it.

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jgottberg

Oh contraire - Apple is already working on it. In the current build, it's called the LaunchPad. In the next OS release, it's going to be the standard, like Windows 8.

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Engelsstaub

I don't think that's like a start screen/menu though (unless you know something Apple's doing in dev that I don't.)

Launchpad is easily ignored and optional. You just make a gesture on your trackpad (or shortcut/whatever) and you get an iOS-like screen that displays all installed programs. I use Spotlight and a dock-folder that opens up into a grid on my MBP.

I'd better shut up though before Doctor X lays into me with the preach and tells me to GTFO too for talking about a Mac lol.

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jgottberg

for sure, it's optional now but have read that Apple wants OSX to mimic iOS including app launches and such. http://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/mac-os-x-10-9-what-can-we-expect-from-apples-next-os/

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PDX-1337

Same goes for you...
If you hate Windows 8, then hate it in silence.

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PCWolf

How can I hate it in Silence when Windows 8 lovers keep trying to defend this fail OS? Can't you all just accept the fact that Most people think it stinks? I'm not a Apple User & I don't like being told what to like. Save that for the iSheep.

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Sirius

The users that figured it out and like Windows 8 have every right to their opinion as do you. Get over yourself.

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xRadeon

Um, I don't think it's possible to reverse course. How would hardware manufacturers react when they can't install windows 8 anymore on their hardware that's touch enabled and doesn't work at all on Windows 7?

I'd say just ride it out, and this is not like coke. Coke is a consumable product, a computer is not.

What do you do with all the people on the Windows Store that have market for selling their software? No this is already too far in. Plus there are actually people that LIKE Windows 8, like me. I couldn't imagine using my touch screen Surface on any other OS.

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evertroy

As a CONSUMER, I go to the store and buy a PC. Coke may be a CONSUMABLE product that people drink every day (if you drank it every day and they changed it you'd be mad too), but you use windows to CONSUME things every day so it falls in to the same category.

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zsargent

I don't see why they can't just build a BRIDGE, you know? Everyone I know uses "StartIsBack" or something like it on their Win8 installs. It's RIDICULOUS to stick with it, at this point. PATCH IT, already. Win 8 SP1's biggest feature - THE FREAKIN' START BUTTON!!!

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ilfipian

Seems that MS is now on the downhill side of the corporate lifecycle. They're not going away any time soon, but they'll no longer be the dominant player in a few more years. They'll have been eclipsed by newer nimbler tech that isn't so bloated with KLOCS and crap policies. And then the cycle will repeat on those newcomers too.

I disagree with 8 for locking bootloader crap, for licensing shenanigans, privacy issues, building in DRM, bad UI, and more. So I won't be supporting them with this direction of software and OS. I haven't bought or used a license of Office since before 2000 because cheaper better alternatives are available.

We've built two home computers this year, both stocked with Win7 purchased after 8 was released. And multibooting Linux. Two mobile devices are planned for this year still as well, both Android or maybe mobile Ubuntu. My Printer and networking purchases are more influenced by non-MS issues now as well. My home servers are Linux.

Microsoft's mistake is primarily about locking things down to do things their way. Same as Apple's path (I wonder if Apple will sue MS for copying again) The way I read the market, that is not the growth segment.

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jgottberg

That is not the growth segment?? That's pretty much what Apple has built their success on. They control everything about their OS to make sure it "just works." It's also one of the primary reasons you don't hear about malware on an iPhone.

I think you might have misread the market.

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ilfipian

I agree that that is what Microsoft copied. But Apple is losing value. Android phone and tablet sales have both now surpassed Apple.

Are they buying Android because it's open? I doubt that would register on most buyer's reasons. But the value proposition of Android for Google, developers, and the hardware folks is strongly based in it's openness.

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zsargent

Maybe you could Google for "iPhone" and "Malware" before you make such a ridiculous claim.

When it comes to "open" vs. "closed" architectures, there are advantages to each. However, if two techs compete long enough, "open" always wins due to natural evolution of the product. This is why Android is overtaking IOS in devices shipped: It's the platform that offers the users and developers more freedom. Ultimately, I'd say the market will reach equilibrium about where PC's did: Apple will have 1-in-5 smart phones/tablets sold at some point in the near future.

The "it just works" mentality is fanboy propaganda. When you buy a device, the only question is, "Does this do what I need it to do?" You buy a platform for the content you run ON IT, not for the platform itself. What good is an iPhone if what you need most is only available for Android phones (or vice versa)? Nobody buys a console that has no games available. Nobody runs Windows just so they can play Solitaire all day long: They have apps that they need to work with and virtualization isn't yet up to the task of making it moot (I use Virtualbox and VMware on Linux Mint every day - so I know it's getting close).

Microsoft has timed this blunder poorly. I'm guessing there are many corporate and government projects across the world right now to find out if they can make due with a Linux desktop. That world isn't switching to Mac, but it might switch to Linux. And if that market shifts by 5 to 10 percentage points, the millions of desktops it represents will cause ripples through the rest of the PC timeline.

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PDX-1337

Android is overtaking iOS because the devices are cheap, newest-gen iPhones are expensive. That, above all, is the reason why Android leads on devices shipped.

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DoctorX

nope.. maybe you should read a bit... most android devices are in the same 500-700 range as ios. Samsung devices are wiping the floor with apple right now. This is FUD propagated by fanbois to justify to themselves their purchases. Vast majority of the android devices are high end devices. Very few are low end devices. Mostly those are sold by no contract services like straight-talk.

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jgottberg

No doubt there are high-end Android devices. The s3 and s4 are the crown jewels of Android and most likely far superior hardware-wise to an iPhone of any generation.

However, everything that isn't made by Apple or Nokia most likely has Android on it which is why Android is gaining market share as an OS. It's just more widely available.

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jgottberg

Exactly. Also, look at all the 89.00 tablets with Android on them. All they are doing is whoring out Android. Not because it's a better OS, but because it's open source. Android also gives manufacturers the ability to modify the OS - something I think is a huge mistake and what enables the "fracturing" of the Android ecosystem.

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DoctorX

i love my n7 that i paid $250 and runs circles around ipad. You do not have to pay so much fucking money just for a name. That is all you are doing with apple. Subpar hardware, subspec. Same thing that is a problem on the mac os side. You pay 50% or more for 50% less hardware. How odd, I do not see a single $90 android tablet unless you are shopping in india. Readers using android as backend sell for $150. Before Nexus 7 came out, most android devices were priced way too high.. 500-800.

I used to admin ios and macos... they are pos and always will be. I even had the benefit of apple developers and engineers i worked with that used to work for apple directly.

As for just works... my parents got an iphone a couple of years ago and could not figure it out. They got 2 high end android phones and loved it. Easy to understand.

This is maximum pc, not maximum apple fanboi.

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PDX-1337

Not an Apple fan boy, pretty much hate them as a company, but there ARE a gazzillion cheap Android devices out there, and there is no way most of the numbers they are saying are shipped Android devices are high-end devices in the same ---> price-range <--- (not talking specs or hard-ware here) as iOS.

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jgottberg

lol, don't confuse my posts on this paticular subject as a soap box for pushing the Apple agenda. I cannot stand them as a company. Up until a year ago, I never owned an Apple product.

Fanboi, hardly...

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jgottberg

Really? With every Windows 8 related article, the same tired arguments get brought up. Windows 8 does not have a Start button. Wow. Get over it. They added live tiles to stay current with whats trending right now (tablet/mobile OS's) - who cares? It's change.... it kind of happens in this industry.

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Engelsstaub

I agree. I don't even really use Windows hardly at all anymore and Win 8 was fine for me whenever I played around with it. I'm probably building a gaming PC this summer and I'm going to dual-boot Win8 and a Debian-based Linux distro (probably just Ubuntu.)

I know that many have a legit reason to dislike it, but as for me it boots and shuts down fast. Faster than newer versions of OS X. That's pretty impressive IMO. I didn't like Aero anyway...I always thought it was just a cheesy gimmick and am in no need of being entertained by my OS with oohs and ahhs.

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jgottberg

What up Engelsstaub?!

Yeah, I don't get it... It does EVERYTHING Windows 7 does but has a candy-ass front end to it. So what? All of my software is still compatible and not only that, the OS is lighter-weight so it installs on anything and runs fine. And as you point out, start-ups and shutdowns are much quicker.

I mentioned in my other post that I have an RT and love it. I actually thinks it's easier to navigate than an iPad (have one of those too). The ONLY thing I do not like is that non-native Metro apps open on the desktop. After closing a non-native metro app, you just sit there at the desktop. I think that is flawed but seems like an easy enough fix.

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toxavenja

What is a non native app reverting to desktop when RT has no desktop. It can't run windows (non native) apps. Are you a paid spokesperson for microsoft. We don't want to be conned into buying your product that doesnt meet are needs or expectations.

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jgottberg

Sorry but you don't know your talking about...GTFO with the paid spokesperson, moron. Who is "we" anyways?

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Engelsstaub

I'd give an RT a try. I don't like Android that much for various reasons.

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jgottberg

I'd highly recommend the RT as long as you don't rely on a cisco, juniper, aventail, etc... VPN client. That was the nail in the coffin for me.

Otherwise, it's a really nice tablet. USB support for flash drives and a display port for attaching to projectors is huge.

App support is also lacking a bit but most of the major ones are represented. You don't have to sift through 500 farting apps to get to one of actual use :)

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Engelsstaub

Wait...there's farting apps?! I don't need an app for that most days.

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jgottberg

you lactose intolerant too? lol

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