Windows 8 Sales Reach 100 Million Licenses, Should Microsoft Reverse Course?

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mindsci

Dream: Microsoft ditches touch and swipe for Windows 9, instead incorporating gesture control realizing that Desktop users don't want to have to get up out of their chair to swipe a 47 inch screen.

Nightmare(reality): Microsoft releases Windows 8.1, 8.2, 8.3 and eventually is bought by Apple who is trying to fight off Google.

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Belboz99

NASA just migrated the ISS to Linux, from Windows XP...

The timing makes it almost seem like NASA was holding out to see if MS could come up with something substantially better than XP, and waited until they had some time to work with Windows 8 before deciding "pass", and moved to Linux.

I think Microsoft needs to rethink a lot of their current strategies, maybe take a look in the rear-view mirror for a bit, think about what made them successful in their early years, focus on those traits, and figure out what to drop.

IMO, this all goes back to the battle with Mozilla and IE. During this legal battle, MS poured millions into both developing a product to compete with Mozilla, which was bundled for free, and fighting a lengthy legal battle with Mozilla, which took Bill Gates away from the helm and left Steve Ballmer at the wheel.

As much as Bill Gates was the brunt of a lot of jokes over the years, he was at his roots a coder and a hacker, a genuine techie that knew and understood the technology he was developing. Ballmer in-contrast was an MBA, had almost no coding or development experience, and was at his core a businessman, a financial and corporate guru perhaps, but not a techie, nor a hacker, nor a coder. Ballmer took the wheel just before Vista's development began.

Also, the Xbox360 is a product that directly competes with the core reason for having Windows, PC Gaming. PC Gaming was not for MacOS or Linux, it's what gave it the lead over competing operating systems which were designed for other platforms.

The XBox360 has also been a money pit for a long time, it's never truly been profitable. Office is now coming online, as are it's competitors, which removes the need for Windows. The actual reasons for owning Windows are becoming fewer and fewer.

Microsoft needs to stop being a "me too" developer, the Zune to compete with iPod, IE to compete with Mozilla, Xbox to compete with PS, and so on, and become a leader in something it truly excels at, focusing on that, and not every hot new product some other company is doing well with.

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Renegade Knight

DRM is not something you want to deal with on a mission critical computer.

"Houston we have a problem."

"Ok, One sec, I need to reboot. Damn I have to call Microsoft and activate...How much Oxygen do you have remaining."

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Renegade Knight

DRM is not something you want to deal with on a mission critical computer.

"Houston we have a problem."

"Ok, One sec, I need to reboot. Damn I have to call Microsoft and activate...How much Oxygen do you have remaining."

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ftldelay

The only reason they've sold as many licenses of Windows 8 as they have is because they're cancelling support for Windows XP and people who have waited to upgrade are doing so now. If Windows 7 were still the latest OS, they'd be talking about how great it was doing now instead.

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Cube

They shoulc have not screwed with windows and made a version for tablets called windows tablet and left windows desktop alone and added real desktop features.

Dump windows 8 as soon as possible.

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Cube

They shoulc have not screwed with windows and made a version for tablets called windows tablet and left windows desktop alone and added real desktop features.

Dump windows 8 as soon as possible.

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PhaQue

If your new product is being compared to "New Coke" it's time to do what Coca Cola did and that's pour your "New Coke" down the toiley.

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Sirius

Actually..... New Coke or Coke 2 was around for several years not just "3 months." It was their way of trying to switch up from using cane sugar in their formula to using fructose corn syrup. I actually liked it, and it continues for around seven year alongside another version of their formula that came closer to the original to which they named "Coke Classic" but was not the original formula.

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maxeeemum

I heard a good one the other day.

Microsoft claims it has sold a 100 million licenses of Windows 8!

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maxeeemum

This is the same crap M$ pulled with Vista. And Win 8 use or adoption is worse than Vista. Yeah Vista was a big hit too! LOL!

http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2008/07/three-months-later-180-million-vista-licenses-sold-in-total/

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Sirius

The majority of problems in Vista were not Vista in and of itself. They were mostly caused by shoddy drivers from third party hardware vendors. Microsoft fixed that ahead of time by providing a large number of drivers of their own via Windows Update. That continues in Windows 8. Nothing like a bad driver to crash your computer.

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Rypht

But I liked New Coke...

At least New Coke didn't look like a failed cell phone that escaped from a Pre-school art project.

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someuid

Microsoft can do whatever the hell they want. I've already admitted for them that Win8 is a failure and I've gone reverse course on them. Sitting here on my desk is a Win7 computer, a Blackberry phone (work), a Android phone (personal), an iPod and a Nook Simple Touch.

The only reason I have Win7 around at home is to play my games. Everything else is non-Windows.

And as those games become less important to me, usually due to gimped PC versions of console ports, and such horribly invasive DRM from the likes of Blizzard and EA, Microsoft is becoming even less relevant as time goes forward.

With game engines like Unreal being ported to run in a web browser and games that are completely platform independant (Minecraft) Microsoft can be put out to pasture.

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RUSENSITIVESWEETNESS

I agree that the only compelling reason to have a Windows system is for the games.

Microsoft has been sabotaging PC gaming for years, trying to steer the public into their kiddie console walled garden.

Even as OS sales declined, they continued hammering away at PC gaming.

Problem is, without PC games, there's no reason to own a Windows PC. None.

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carlos28355

As a computer tech there is a few things about Windows 8 that annoys me...As a consumer I see no problems with Windows 8. The main difference is a fancy start menu??? To be honest I hardly ever used that outdated start menu anyways other than to open my documents. Psh good riddance to that! I find my self mostly in the desktop side of Windows 8 anyways...I dont see the big disappointment to all these people. I think they just want to have a reason to troll on something...

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Camerone

Oh yeah, I'm a computer tech too ;) the start menu is a fast and easy way to get to your documents, practically every program you've ever installed, computer properties, and control panel. If you're not using every means at your disposal to work quickly and efficiently, I pity the work environment in which you hold any kind of technological authority, my friend.

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Sirius

Just out of curiousity, is it really faster for you to filter through a jumbled tree of menus off the Start Menu than to hop over to the new Start Screen and type the name of the application you are looking for? Or, short of knowing the name, right clicking on the Start Screen, clicking All Applications and scrolling through an expanded version of the Start Screen that does indeed show every application you installed. Or right clicking in the lower left hand corner to get to the power menu accessing properties, control panel, device and disk manager etc. Don't disparage him for his opinion. I thought I'd hate the loss of the Start Menu too. But, I forced myself to not install Start8 or the other replacements, and I've found I get to everything just as fast if not faster than I did before. If you do miss it so badly, it can be put back in several ways. No big deal.

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PCWolf

Why the Disappointment?
Like you, I rarely use my Windows 7 Start menu, unless I was going to shut down the PC or create a Short Cut. But I DON'T WANT TO SEE IT IN MY FACE EVERY TIME I BOOT UP! Nor do I want to spend my time in it looking thru a lame Touch Interface filled with Giant Icons that was designed for Social Media Addicts!! Apple can Dictate to its users what they want, but this is a PC world, & the masses have spoken, & the Majority do not want that lame Touch UI on a Desktop. If you like it, then good for you.

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pastorbob

+1

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Shalbatana

Agreed with below. The core of Windows 8 is great. Metro is half-assed and option in the start button. Refine those issues and you're on the road to the future.

... and for goodness sakes, communicate with your customers!

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whiznot

Gorillas at the zoo can't understand why humans hate Windows 8.

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mario_ramalho

I think there should be a fork on the road. We still need a business oriented OS without the useless Modern UI, but there's also the 'need' for a mobile OS that is touchscreen oriented. We don't need Modern UI on a desktop, whether for a gaming rig or HTPC, can't Microsoft see that it just does not make sense? It's time these two are separated, so we can again get a clean, unbloated, uncompromised desktop interface. Let Modern UI infestate all that is mobile and touch-oriented, because there it makes sense.

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RUSENSITIVESWEETNESS

Funny when the egos of coke-fueled executives run a company into the ground.

When Microsoft suits realized they can't force the entire world to buy a new OS every four years--no matter the quality--the plan became to force the entire world into subscription-based servitude, that Microsoft never has to improve or innovate again.

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maxeeemum

Microsoft says it sold 100 million licenses for Windows 8!

Did you hear Microsoft said it sold 100 million licenses for Win 8!

Hey everybody M$ says it sold 100 million licenses for Windows 8!

LOL!

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Mikey109105

100 million copies sold? Provide me with proof that you sold 100 million STAND ALONE licenses and I'll believe it. I will 100 percent guarantee you that 99 percent of that 100 million is from pre-built systems. Until I see proof from MS, which I never will, to the contrary, I will never believe they sold more than a few million copies.

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aaronj2906

@Paul (et. al.)

SOLD does *not* mean ACTIVATED and being used.

If you take a look over at THG, they make some pretty valid points that the OEMs' PC hardware are being sold with Win8 product keys (forced onto the customer), but how many of these machines have had some form of downgrade rights used to get Win7 running on it.
I wonder how many more customers have seen Win8 on they laptop they were going to buy ... and walked away.

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paschal

So much whining about one mouse click to get out of Metro and go to the regular desktop. Put your app links in the bottom taskbar. Remember a few keystrokes and get run command, command prompt etc. Been running 8 since the preview on one PC and on four in the house since release with the $39 upgrades and one spare license waiting for use. With the drive space app and some third party development in the area of auto backups it would make a decent headless server, as 2011 Home Server is gimped with the 2TB backup limit. (Before anyone jumps, yes you can add more drives, create exclusions, and do manual updates to the added drives in the server for high capacity media files etc, which is what I do and only a few mouse clicks a week to update from the media processing PC.)

Like it or not the computer and computer appliance market is evolving.

Read the following and then I will make my point full circle.

When I bought a new car a few years ago, it came with a 3.5 jack, assuming at that time it was for an IPOD, which I think is or should be a dying breed of technology. I did not have, nor want one. Over the past year I have purchased a tablet and a smart phone. (android) I no longer burn CD's. With 32 gigs of plug in storage on both the smartphone with very good sound, or the tablet, even better high quality sound, why would I haul all of those CD's around.....plus making custom playlists determined by taste, length of trip etc. The amp part of the radio in the car does not care if the input is mp3, mp4 video, whatever.....it just plays the music or sound tracks. I can do the same on the 2 new home theater amps, 3.5 for sound or usb for video and sound. The amps are good until 4k video is obsolete.

Here is the point.....At the base of what I can do now I could not do a year ago is a touch screen interface and a couple of new Home Theater Amps that have morphed into computer appliances that work with touch screen interfaces. Despite the fact that touch screens are one of the most effective ways to spread germs for those who share their appliances, they are here to stay.

MS knows that not getting into touch screen PC's and appliances will leave them in old technology. Touch screen technology is a "must do" move. Like any company that does not want to operate in the past, they will have some failure and some success and put their resources where they see success. MS is in a tough position. If they get too aggressive on the hardware side that works well, governments go after them, and hardware developers i.e. other companies get ticked off and do not want to license from them, claiming the same monopolistic practice. This is odd, as it seems no matter what Google does in that aspect, nod and wink are pretty much business as usual. Yet there is a philosophy that as long as giving and receiving are mutual, perpetuation of a practice is the result.

Nevertheless, over the past year, the price of cap screens have been falling like a rock, and the convergence of modular laptop and tablet is well under way.

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RUSENSITIVESWEETNESS

Touch screen is a "must-do" move? I heard rumors Microsoft laced the Kool-Aid with LSD, and now I believe it.

Forcing touch-screen on desktop PCs was as asinine as it gets. Telling customers they will all be using their PCs like tablets from now on was marketing suicide.

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Sirius

I don't see it as forced. I don't have a touch screen monitor and I use Windows 8 just fine without it. They just refined it so that it actually works if you happen to have a touch screen. Unlike earlier attempts.

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PCWolf

25+ Internets!

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B.A.Frayd

Nice post. Try taking that to the IT department of one of the millions of corporations that depend on traditional windows architecture and see what they have to say about Windows 8 and touch screens.

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mario_ramalho

Exactly, i'm one of them, and Windows 8 will stay out of our company machines for as long as Windows 7 is supported. People don't have time to p*ss away time and money trying to learn how to navigate an obtuse operating system when they have work to do. There are devices in which the Modern UI makes sense. The desktop is not one of them.

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spencedog

Same with my Agency, I take care of the server here and there's no way its all switching to Win8, I would need a year long vacation after dealing with the employees and all there "where did my program go?" "can you change it back?" "Why is it this way?" etc etc...

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Hawkzro

While I have been perfectly fine running windows 8 with metro on my desktop I do AGREE that it should've been an optional feature for desktop/laptop users. It's a perfect answer for the tablet/touch interface devices, and it does bring some improvements to the desktop, but metro should NOT have replaced the start button and should have been an optional design.

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PCWolf

Nice to see a Windows 8 lover with some Common Sense who understands WHY people hate it. I would upgrade to Windows 8 if I could Disable that lame UI & get my old Start Menu Back, along with a "Boot to Desktop" Option.

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Damnlogin

Agreed 100%

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Meat_Juice

Fuck Windows 8

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Engelsstaub

Don't sugarcoat it, Meat_Juice. Tell us how you *really* feel. Haha :P

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AFDozerman

Reverse course? As in drop metro? That would be a terrible idea. There is a whole ecosystem already forming around 8 and Metro. Going back would just confuse and piss off millions of end users already on 8 as well as the thousands of developers who are already on or are developing for 8.

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wumpus

Because the tiny sliver of users who love windows 8 is more important than the hordes on win 7 and xp. Right. Now go be a good boy and replace your monitor with a 7" touchscreen because that will show everything you need to see on a full screen UI-formerly-know-as-metro app.

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PCWolf

Wumpus = Correct!

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Frank N Beenes

Forget New Coke. This is new coke that tastes like bat turds and popcorn oil.

The Metro interface is the worst thing ever. And anyone who states that it is not is merely trolling.

All I ask for is:
- Start Button (No brainer)
- Close button on Metro stuff
- No stupid login on Metro stuff
- Use the mouse to gesture on the main screen

Love the fast boots and file copying stuff.

But anyone who thought leaving giant apps open ALL the time on a PC with virtual memory was so high on crack someone should have noticed at MS.

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pastorbob

No single subject prompts more comments than Windows 8. Sixty-one comments in about 4 hours. It even brings all of the sniping trolls and spammers out of the woodwork. :-)

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yammerpickle2

The companies I work with have absolutely no plan on migrating to WIN 8. Way to alienate your customers Ballmer. When is the MS board going to toss this nut out?

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lostcause64

The big thing for me is that Windows 7 hasn't gotten old or stale yet. Windows 8 just came out too soon and didn't bring enough to the table to make me want or need to upgrade. And, like others have mentioned, with me being the "go to tech guy" for a lot of family and friends, those that are already running Windows 7 won't upgrade unless I do.

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DoctorX

yes... make a pro version without metro and a home version with metro if they want. Just get that shit out of here.

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jgottberg

This is EXACTLY what I have been saying - almost. I think they need a mobile version with metro and a desktop version with a desktop (metro optional).

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DoctorX

i could deal with that... actually, my son had a win phone8 phone for a short time before trading it for a nice android phone. I actually liked that interface. Why couldnt they used that one for tablets? And leave my beloved ui alone?

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jgottberg

I also had a Win7.5 phone (Samsung focus) and really liked the interface as well. The smooth scrolling and the live tiles is what really sold me. I liked that I didn't always have to open the weather app just to see the current temp.

One complaint that I hear a lot though was user customization of the OS. For me, I could care less about that. I have so many other things to manage in life in general that tweaking a phone to the enth degree just doesn't interest me at all. As Sweet Brown would say, "Ain't nobody got time for that"

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