Windows 8 To Integrate Xbox Live Support

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Kinetic

Wait does this mean that as MS phases out Windows Live, and rolls in Xbox Live integration we'll start having to pay a subscription fee for these features like Live users do? That would really be my main and only concern.

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Engelsstaub

There's way too many of you people down there that seem to believe that everything is black & white/us vs. them.

PC gaming IS better than XBL. But that doesn't mean I can't do both. Should I let my kids play their games on my PC? They're not even as apparently immature as some of the little turds posting on here, but I still wouldn't consider it. :P j/k...maybe.

Check out this action: I own a gaming PC, a Mac, AND an XBox. They're all great for what they do and for what I (we) use them for. If I see a game title released that I really want to play, I will get it for PC. If it's console-only, I'm still playing it. I don't have sixty years to spend playing every game, but I can sure play the few I want to without regards to the platform they're available on. (I can say this same thing about software as I'm familiar with and use every major OS.)

I honestly don't understand how there could be little more important in one's life than "my PC vs. your Mac/XBox, whatever." It doesn't even matter how old one is either. If you only want, have, or need a PC for everthing you do then that's fantastic. Stop shitting on everyone who doesn't do things exactly the way you do. It's a huge waste of time. Time is not game and is on no one's side. There are some mindless followers of each of the aforementioned platforms. Let them think they're great and wise; you won't change their minds. A Windows fanboi will not likely be a convert any more than an idiot that thinks Macs/iDevices are the only way to roll. Same goes for gaming platforms. I don't have a PS3 but I'm always talking to people who do...asking them about God of War and such.

I honestly don't care what MS does. As long as I can continue to use the programs that I like that are exclusive to that OS and as long as I can still play the occasional cool game, I'm good.

All of that aside, I guess it would be nice if MS emphasized the one thing they excel at: PCs for enthusiasts. (Gamers, system-builders, etc.) They seem like they're trying a bit too hard to be like their competition in many areas now. That's a game they shouldn't want to play because they will lose.

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JDorfler

If I own the game on XBox, wouldn't it be nice that the new intergration would allow me to download and play the same game on my PC.  Also my Achievements and game saves in the XBox version would carry over to the PC version.  That would be nice, but it would never happen.

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igoka

I like that : " Xbox Live " for Windows , even though we already have  " Games For Windows " which would make more sense because " Xbox " supposed to mean something for god damned XBOX !!! This is just one more drop to already bad news ( tablet  interface ) . There is always some gimmick that Microsoft uses to sell but this one is not the good  one . I like Steam , period  not Origin not GFW.  Like one commenter said :"Don't like it don't buy it" and i'm completely agree , let's vote with our wallets.

 

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KenLV

"Live has been successful on the Windows Phone. Live will be built into the PC," Delman told the Times.

Yeah, because, like the Xbox, it's low tech.  Why would I want shit like Xbox live (or GFWL) on my PC which is built for QUALITY gaming?  I gave GFWL a fair shake and it failed.  I now simply pass on games which rely on GFWL for most anything.

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igoka

For me GFW label on the box usually means a warning sign.  It's just associates in my brain with something bad.

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Ridnarhtim

After buying Bioshock 2 on Steam, it took me 3 days to get a working xBox live account, just so I could sign into GFWL to play the game I FREAKING BOUGHT!

 

Something wasn't working, their servers were down, then it wouldn't let me change my name ... it was a horrifying experience, and of course by the time I was actually ABLE to play my game, the weekend was over and I was back to working all day.

 

GFWL is the reason I didn't buy bulletstorm, and I will be avoiding any other game that uses it unless I really, REALLY must have it!

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igoka

Well here is something bad . At the end of " Rage " teaser last frames shows that this game is gonna have GFW label. Not cool , not cool at all.

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Gezzer

My question to MS would be how many people said XBox live was a "must have" feature for Win8? That don't actually work for MS I should say.

Over the years Windows has come with many extra "features" that weren't anything to right home about. Remember TV "push" technology in Win98, or the intergrated MS iTune clone in Vista? I didn't think so. This is another "feature" that really doesn't add too much for the end user, but does add another potential revenue stream for MS.

It gets a great big meh from me.

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AnomalousEllipse

When will they let me play my friends who have xbox live when I'm on my PC? I don't care if it's not fair.. :)

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Holly Golightly

Wow, this is a welcoming feature. This will only encourage me to get Windows 8 faster. I still want to see that concept become a reality. Maybe it will. I like the idea of my achievement points spreading across all 3 platforms.

Having XboxLive support is not going to prevent you from using Steam, GameComrade, GOG or GamersGate. As consumers, we have the luxury to choose which merchant to purchase it from. We should all see this as great news that we have another choice to the competition. Competition is good.

I think it would have been worst if Steam or whatever was the only choice. I do not think Microsoft has forgotten us PC Gamers if they are extending XboxLive support to Windows 8. I feel they should put this in Windows 7 as an update, that way they can reach a larger demographic.

This is good news. We are not forgotten, as they extend another service for us PC Gamers. If you still dislike Windows 8, you can always just stick to 7, or whatever really. It will not stop the others from buying it anyways. So embrace it already.

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Ghok

As you are a fan of Games for Windows Live, can you tell me some things you like about it?

I have a few games with it, and while I don't find it overally bothersome, it certainly doesn't add anything to my experience, and mostly just bothers me with constant upgrades that require me to restart my computer.

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Ghok

Meh, almost all those things you mention, I can do with Steam. I've never experienced the problems you've mentioned. I guess the big feature it has would be if I were an X-Box gamer, I could link it to my PC games (but I see no reason why I'd become an X-Box gamer). It certainly isn't these "custom avators" you speak of. Just not my thing. I don't mind GWL as competition for Steam, but I just find it inferior. If I can't get rid of it, I'd at least like it to be better. I think most PC gamers feel the same way, but I can now see why someone who also plays X-Box would like it better.

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Insurgence

For me I prefere steam. It is what I purchased

Steam has currency just like Live, but unlike Live, you are not forced to use it to purchase something. Which for me is the prefered. If Steam got more than just games, like Live (when you include Zune), I would like to see a more robust system that allowed management of Steams currency, such as spending limit, auto purchase and things like that, especially for family environments or some such. I personally don't need it though since I'm single and hate spending more on something just to get enough virtual currency to purchase said item, even if I can use that virtual currency at a later date.

While on the idea of currency, I'm going to talk about cost. Steam has been cranking out the deals like crazy. I mean seriously, 10% (~$5)off of a Duke Nukem Forever pre-purchase may not seem like much, but you know what, thats just the frosting. They have better deals on games if you wish to wait. As an example Resident Evil 5 is currently 50% off. Also they come up with some awesome bundle deals that can end up saving you a ton of money on games you want.

I honestly couldn't care less about the Cloud, or anything with "Cloud" used as part of it's name. Now saving my settings remotely on a server that can be accessed from other computers is nice, but seriously, I don't care. Saves are alright. But I also have a thumbdrive that works just fine. When it comes to saves, I love the ability to use my saves on multiple platforms more than remote saving. Especially since I use a laptop a lot and do not always have it connected to the internet. With GFWL, and Xbox Live on PC in Win8 will probably just be the same bastardization (I'm a bastard so I am allowed to say that) that it is now, it will just be automatically included in some or all versions of Win8 instead of with the games. Sure I could copy my Live profile everywhere too, but seriously, why should I have to do that. With steam, sure I have to have steam, but I can also crack most of the games so that they work just fine (I do not endorse cracking games) and not have to worry about anything else.

Achievements most likely will not change with how they work now between Xbox Live and GFWL. Chances are the achievements will still work as seperate games for each platform. Game distribution between PC and Xbox most likely won't change either as it will bring in additional money.

Custom avatars are definitely not a preference of mine. I am just fine with a picture, not some dumb looking 3D model. IMO, the 3D avatars is just a way for them to nickel and dime you more. Thankfully I am fuly capable of ignoring it all.

As for my Steam vs GFWL experience with updates, I have never had Steam restart my computer, or force me out of a game, even with autoupdates. I have had Steam restart, but it never forced me out of a game to do it. I have exited a game and saw the restart window on my desktop, but thats worse case. GFWL won't let me play the game until I go through the several updates. For some reason it always requires at least one, even with new games. You would think that by installing the game, I would have all of the necessary files on my HDD for it. Some of those updates have even required a full system restart. Why? Sure I could avoid that by creating an offline profile, but I use accounts when I can and have them.

Also with autologin I have never had to manually type my login and password to either steam of GFWL after an update, unless I was logged in someplace else or did not set it up to save my login. When you log into steam and GFWL, you will be logged out of any other sessions, but that idea does not bother me. Neither does clearing the password when that happens. GFWL has required me to click on "Sign In", after an update, but thats not to bad. As long as I had "save password" checked so it remembered that, so eh.

Now I have no problem with Competition. I am a firm supporter of other Digital Distribution platforms such as GoG and Direct2Drive, but MS has made promises to gamers before. GFWL is a prime example, and I highly doubt that Xbox Live in Win8 will be anything more than GFWL integrated into Win8 and called something else. Maybe shinier graphics.

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Holly Golightly

There is lots to like abbout Games For Windows Live.

1) I like having my achievements in one account, verses many.

2) I do not need to launch a client to play the game.

3) Cloud, which allows me to recover my game saves with as many PCs I want. Only some Steam Games support this

4) Custom avatars. By far the cutest feature of Games For Windows Live and XboxLive, plus it connects to the phone, and now Windows 8.

5) Allows me to play cross-platform between Xbox and PC.

6) I can use my Zune Points to buy Xbox and PC games, and vise versa.

Now, I have never experienced any restarts on my computer while using Games For Windows Live... When Steam updates, it forces me out of the program at times, and I have to re-login with the unique Steam ID and Password I have set up long ago. Why can't I use my hotmail? Thus, why I see Games For Windows Live as a great feature on Windows 8.

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Neufeldt2002

I am going to reply here. My argument for Steam, not Xbox Live or Gaming for Windows Live (GWL).

1) Steam has achievements built in, but lets the developer decide if they want to use it. (Open platform)

2) Auto login works for both GWL and Steam. In GWL you do launch the client every time you play the game. Just minimize the game and you will see the client running. I have no reason to doubt that Xbox Live will do the same thing, or it will be yet another service constantly running in the background.

3) Once again Steam allows the developer to have access to this feature, it is up to the developer if they use it or not. (Open platform)

4) Steam allows custom avatars as well. The avatar I use here is the same one I use on my Steam account. Granted, I can't use Steam on a phone yet, but I am pretty sure I don't want to play my PC games on my phone. It will work with Windows 8.

5) Steam allows cross platform between PC, Mac, and the PS3, with rumors about a Linux client in the works. More options, and I am sure they would allow the Xbox as well. (The benefit of an open platform)

6) You buy those points do you not? Why not just buy the game? Why have a third payment system?

7) My addition: Not sure about Xbox, but GWL has an activation limit (15 I think) on the games you buy. Now I don't know about you, but I reinstall fairly often, and every GWL game I have to re-activate that game. With Steam, there is no activation (unless you buy from a B&M store, and then it is only once), no serials either, it is behind the scenes.

8) My addition: Way more games on Steam than on GWL, and usually at better prices.

9) My addition: Steam is FREE, Xbox Live has a subscription model. Yes, you can use it for free, but to get all the features you have to pay.

10) My addition: Steam auto updates all my games except for my GWL games. I have to manually update my GWL games.

I have had to restart my computer after a GWL update, never for Steam. Every Steam update I have had has always waited for me to finish my game before wanting to restart the Steam client.

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Holly Golightly

15 activations is a lot... I am not sure I would ever exceed 10 installs... Unless my computer is seriously virus prone, then I guess I will need more, sure. But for games like Dead Rising 2, all you need to do is log in from your live account. The downloads are unlimited... Atleast for that particular game.

Steam Achievements are not the same achievements you find on XboxLive. You actually have a REAL point system. On Steam, all you get is these little pictures stating what you just earned. GFWL adds these points onto your gamer card. Steam doesn't.

Okay, so Steam does not have a mobile client. From the market stand point, tablets are the future... So if Steam does not come up with something... They would be behind everyone else. Android has Sony, Windows Phone 7 has XboxLive, and Apple has iTunes Games. Maybe Linux will make their own phone/tablet?

Steam does not use custom avatars... Unless you are using some sort of beta I have never heard of. Last time I recall, Steam uses Gamer Pictures. The kind of avatar I am talking about is the 3D ones that move, and can walk in games. I guess some Steam games will have a customizable character... But it is not the same. I want to be able to dress them, and change them, just like in The Sims.

Steam and Games For Windows Live are not equal. Each have their advantages, and some people prefer one over another. It PC Gaming does not remain open, then it will only shrink further. Steam is a closed platform... Like a console OS, which are region locked, and you can not do much else to the files... Only the developers. Anything that puts Steam's dominance in check is a good thing. It is what keeps prices generally lower.

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Neufeldt2002

I really hate to break the news to you, but Xbox Live is a more closed system than Steam. Can you use Xbox Live on anything other than MS products? Answer: No. With Steam you can.

Ultimately, competition is a good thing. Also, don't get me wrong, I do use GWL, mostly because it is hard coded into some games I own, but given a choice, I would use Steam over GWL any day. MS has a very long way to go to get the majority of PC only gamers back on it's side as we have seen time and again how they have abandon us in favor of the Xbox. And to many of us, making Xbox Live integrated into the OS, is the ultimate slap in the face.

Both distribution systems have their pros and cons, and in the end though, you have your favorite, and I have mine.

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Marthian

most of pc gamers prefer steam, and steam updates are not that bothersome really. Its not very inconvenient to have to open Steam to launch a game, and also when did they add cross-platform support? Microsoft couldn't really care much about PC gamers at all, not when the xbox is a much more profitable platform. Besides, Steam automatically updates games, thats A LOT more convenient than having to do it manually when you actually want to play the game.

Microsoft is no good for PC gaming at all, they should just stick to their xbox console, Steam has been HUGELY successful, I have yet to hear anyone talk about WGFL on a positive note, no one recommends them, everyone recommends Steam

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Holly Golightly

I do not know why Steam is the more "popular" choice in North America. Steam is not that successful outside the border due to its servere limitations. In otherwords, in order to keep playing on steam, your computer has to have internet access at least once a month. Not ideal for travelers who go on 3 month vacations to countries like Brazil, India, China and Russia. Granted it updates once a month, but you are restricted to the client itself. I mostly download my games on Direct 2 Drive, which has no client of its own, and I am free to move my games to as many different hard drives I want. Steam only lets you download onto Drive C in order to play the Steam App. Sure, you can install another program that lets you get around it... But come on. As a PC Gamer, I want a more open platform... If I wanted something completely closed, I would get a console. This is why I think it is important for all PC Gamers to embrace competition. Steam has enough controversy as it is already. I recommend anything but steam if you are not from the States... If you are, then yes... Steam is a dream. But I do not like the idea of having to log online (or a client) to play a 1 player game. It just seems unnecessary. Even after all of the fancy updates.

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NebsiNsaNe

BAH! It's STILL a Windows PC.. just because LIVE is now baked in, DOESNT mean its REQUIRED for you to use.. all this does is open up the PC to the console gamers, increasing Microsoft's clientel.. THATS ALL. 

Im sticking to GOG and Steam, but Im still getting Windows 8 OS.

 

Its a product.. you dont like it, dont buy it.

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D00dlavy

Gaming sucks on Apples, but seemingly Microsoft has been trying its goddamned hardest to ruin PC just as much.

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joeyjr

A consolid is a computer in the same sence as a PC, hardware, just not as powerful. The OS is what sepperates them. It is a shame the way things have gone for the PC and MS pushing there agendia. The cost of buying or building a desent system and the power of the systems just get better an beter. The PC still rules as far as I am conserned. I have about 2oo games from Steam, only two will not work at this time and a few that will only run with XP, and I am using Vista 64 bit. I ran the Windows 7 Upgrade Adviser the other day and was left wondering if I should. A few of the games were not supported and Net Frame 1.1 is also not supported, not sure how that will work with my older games. What would happen to my PC games after Windows 8 shows up. I am all for the Idea to make PC gaming better, as long it works. Wish there was a OS that would just work with all my games, inclusing my older ones, Maybe I should write my own O/S that does and not drink the MS coolaid. I sepperated all of my games which use XBox Live, the Xbox controller, keyboard only, max resolution, ect... for when I have a friend over to play a game, some can't even use a keybord lol, or so I know how to set up the controlls. I am not very good using the controller and perfer the mouse, keyboard and my Nostrum n52 when playing games, it just depends which one I am playing. I pefer a system I can expand and fix to suite my needs to one that limits its uses. So, is my PC becoming a consold, is the consold becoming a PC, or was it as PC all along.

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Forte125

I can't see what they could possibly do to convince me to pay for that service.

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Marthian

stay the hell away from my PC gaming experience, microsoft. you've ruined it already.

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urdead4g

You'd think they'd understand that by how much Games For Windows Live flopped.

 

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Ridnarhtim

 

They just do NOT get it. How can they not understand that PC gamers do not want xBox live on their machines? That's why we have PCs and not xBoxes!

 

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D00dlavy

This isn't for you.

This is for simpletons who play on their console and only retreat to their parents' PC for Facebook and homework.  There are people I know today who, until meeting me at least, never knew that computers could perform at video games "like the consoles," let alone better.

Remember that if you have a discriminating brain and you use it often, don't make the assumption that you are the target market for anything.  You'll just be disappointed.

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Ridnarhtim

As long as it's an option, to give console users better integration with Windows, that's fine. Where I have a problem is things like GFWL, which are NOT optional and which I, for no reason whatsoever, have to deal with and actually had to create an xBox live account for.

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Marthian

I hope you realize that "like the consoles" is a terrible way to compare them. PC's have a LOT more processing power than the XBOX with the right setup (and even so at $600). Also, last ad I saw of this Xbox Live-esque horror, it seemed more aimed at the casual audience, and Xbox is filled with "hardcore" players. Although what we assume is that they are trying to target the PC gaming audience because of Steam, but most of us just hate Microsoft (except for their Operating system and DirectX)

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Emgtek

I'm right there with you brother!

 

 

 

 

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